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The article was promoted by Ian Rose via FACBot (talk) 09:32, 20 May 2018 [1].

Ficus macrophylla[edit]

Nominator(s): Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 02:49, 11 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I am trying to balance up all the animal FACs with some plants. This is an important article in the public interest. These giant figs are too difficult to grow in most gardens but critically important to wildlife in eastern Australia and should be planted more widely. And they can be weedy elsewhere. Let me know what's wrong and I can fix pronto. Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 02:49, 11 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Images are appropriately licensed. Nikkimaria (talk) 02:01, 21 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Source review - spotchecks not done

  • Be consistent about whether locations are included for books and how those are formatted, and if locations are included they should be more specific than country level
aligned Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 11:55, 22 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Date for FN2?
added Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 11:55, 22 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Language for FN3?
added Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 11:55, 22 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Edition statements shouldn't be italicized
fixed Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 13:38, 22 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Formatting on FN14 doesn't match other sources
aligned Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 11:55, 22 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Fn32, 37: check author formatting
aligned Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 11:55, 22 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • FN39 doesn't need website
removed Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 11:55, 22 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Fn41 has inconsistent date formats
aligned Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 11:55, 22 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Further reading should use same page range truncation as the references. Nikkimaria (talk) 02:01, 21 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Comments Edwininlondon[edit]

With the usual caveat about not being an expert, a few comments on prose:

  • as an epiphyte -> it would be good for the average reader to get a brief description of what this means
this is a tricky one - if I add meaning makes the sentence a little repetitive...need to think about this Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 22:32, 21 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Its aggressive root system allows its use -> as a non-native speaker I would not use "allow" in this way. It seems unwise to put them in small gardens, but "allow" seems too strong. Feel free to ignore me :)
changed Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 03:39, 22 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • although they are more abundant from February to May.[6] Although --> repetition although
changed Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 22:32, 21 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • a native of most of the eastern coast -> of Australia
changed Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 22:32, 21 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Moreton Bay fig trees are long lived -> is this long relative to us humans, trees in general or fig trees specifically?
it is fairly long compared with Acacia but not with many other trees. It is subjective so removed Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 22:32, 21 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • living for over 100 years. --> it sounds that there are a few that 150+ years old, would 150 here not be better than 100?
the source says 100 and is talking about natural trees not cultivated ones Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 22:32, 21 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • but close enough so that their branches would eventually interlock -> and, did this happen? If so, any images available?
I drive around these areas alot - will try and take a photo. Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 22:32, 21 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • nineteenth century --> inconsistent with previous notation of 19th and 20th
changed Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 22:32, 21 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • the 150 year-old "Tree of Knowledge", -> where is this?
Sydney - added Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 22:32, 21 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Aoyama Tree -> where is this?
LA - added Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 22:32, 21 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Otherwise, nice work. Edwininlondon (talk) 07:44, 21 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Support Edwininlondon (talk) 16:44, 24 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Comments from FunkMonk[edit]

added Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 14:36, 22 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Writers mentioned are not presented consistently (nationality, occupation).
I am at a loss how to describe Christiaan Hendrik Persoon.... Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 03:40, 22 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Other language Wikipedias call him Dutch, and his father's name Christiaan Daniel Persoon[2] seems Dutch (MWAK may be helpful here). "The Dutch/German biologist"? FunkMonk (talk) 21:51, 22 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
He was born in South Africa, so can be called South African. His father, though born in Pommern, was a vrijburger, (free citizen) of the Cape Colony. His name may have been "dutchified" or reflect the fact that the written language of coastal Lower Saxon areas at the time was much closer to Dutch than to High German.--MWAK (talk) 05:50, 23 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
umm..Cape Dutch..? Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 10:00, 23 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
In any case, I think at least a general occupation should be listed. Biologist/taxonomist? FunkMonk (talk) 18:03, 23 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
On thinking about it, I went with South African, as if he was born in Australia to English parents we'd call him Australian. Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 20:22, 23 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Any diseases?
added Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 13:38, 22 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • "Although edible, the figs are unpalatable and dry." Perhaps more relevant under use than description?
good point - moved Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 03:42, 22 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • "The type specimen has been lost but was possibly located in Florence." Did the describer know its provenance?
there is no record of that..other than "New Holland" Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 13:22, 23 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Perhaps add? FunkMonk (talk) 20:44, 23 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • "Based on DNA sequences" When?
date added Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 13:22, 23 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • "in the new subsection Malvantherae" Is 2008 new? The problem is maybe that it is written in present tense, maybe something like "was moved to the new subsection" would convey it better.
dispensed with "new" Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 13:33, 23 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Basal could be linked and explained. Link evergreen tree?
tweaked, and linked x 2 Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 13:33, 23 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • "and radiated from 35 million years ago" Radiated from what? Or is "since" meant?
changed Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 13:33, 23 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Any reason why you use the scientific name in the caption under description, but in no other captions?
no/changed Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 13:39, 23 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • "has a habit of dropping aerial roots from its branches" Is that what's shown in the adjacent photo? Could be mentioned in the caption then.
added Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 13:39, 23 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • "The Moreton Bay fig is a native of most of the eastern coast," Add "of Australia"?
added Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 13:39, 23 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • "estimated 50 metres tall" Convert?
  • Does it use any specific trees as hosts?
nope, anything it can get its roots on... Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 13:39, 23 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • "that a F. macrophylla trees" Singular or plural?
oops/fixed Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 20:07, 23 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • "impressive specimen trees" Impressive tree specimens? "specimen tree" sounds like a specific term...
it means a feature tree in (say) a landscape/field/garden. Not sure how specific the term is. It's used alot in horticulture books. Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 20:07, 23 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • You don't state it specifically, but is there a "tallest specimen" in Australia?
someone had one in the article but I am suspicious it was a hoax as I could find zero collateral info online, which is unusual. It is more of a spreading lateral tree than a tall one. Will have a quick look... Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 20:07, 23 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • There is only one image showing a full tree, but many that just show the stem and branches from below. Perhaps the close up of the Balboa Park tree could be replaced with this full view of the same tree?[3] Or any tree, for that matter.
good point. switched Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 20:20, 23 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Its aggressive root system renders it unsuitable for all but the largest private gardens." Only called aggressive in intro.
In the article body I have used " are highly invasive and can damage piping and disrupt footpaths and roadways" - i.e. these figs are something you never plant near these underground structures.....or you won't have them for long...I assumed "aggressive" and "highly invasive" were synonymous in this context. Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 20:11, 23 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support - that's all I had to say, looks good. FunkMonk (talk) 20:44, 23 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
thx! Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 03:40, 24 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Comments Support from Jackdude101[edit]

  • The Malvantherae appear to be basal (an early offshoot) to the group. I feel like there should be a citation for this one.
The segment is all cited by FN 12 - rather than multiple tags, I generally do something like this. Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 00:06, 26 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • A notable tree in the Sydney suburb of Randwick, the 150-year-old "Tree of Knowledge", was controversially cut down in 2016 to make way for the Light Rail. Which light rail? I'm assuming it's one of the lines that make up light rail in Sydney, but if possible, a wikilink for the specific line would be nice (this is the railfan in me speaking).
It is the CBD and South East Light Rail...now linked Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 00:01, 26 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Often times when portal links are present, a geography-based portal link should be among them. How about the general one for Australia?
sure, why not? done. Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 00:06, 26 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Everything else looks great and I can support after these minor things are resolved. Jackdude101 talk cont 01:31, 25 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

  • Support from Jim Just a couple of things you might thing about. For the map caption, could have "Natural range". To me The huge numbers of fruit doesn't sound right. I'd have either The huge amount of fruit or The huge number of fruits Jimfbleak - talk to me? 08:49, 27 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
maybe it's an ENGVAR thing as huge numbers sounds fine to me.... Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 12:01, 27 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
OK, no big deal anyway Jimfbleak - talk to me? 12:03, 27 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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