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The article was promoted by Ian Rose via FACBot (talk) 22:35, 30 November 2016 [1].

Bradley Cooper[edit]

Nominator(s): FrB.TG (talk) 16:55, 4 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Although I have decided not to create content on here anymore, this is an article I worked on in August. The article is about Mr Cooper, who is the recipient of People's "Sexiest Man Alive" in 2011, though it's more of "Sexiest White Man Alive". Aside from the so-called accolade, he is a talented actor, having found his breakthrough in his mid 30s in late 2000s. The article was promoted on 1st of September by Jaguar who passed it straight away and found it to be FAC material. I currently have another open nomination as a co-nominator. I hope that it does not turn out that I end up seeing both of them archived (haha) so have at it. – FrB.TG (talk) 16:55, 4 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Since I brought his awards page to FL status, I should help here. I'm a bit busy today, but one thing that I noticed while reading through is that a lot of his lesser known roles are not included in the article. For example, My Little Eye, Bending All the Rules, The Comebacks, Older than America, etc. The latter most was a film that Cooper had a major role in. Check Bradley Cooper on screen and stage for information about some of the lesser known rules. Famous Hobo (talk) 18:19, 4 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]
@Famous Hobo:, I have included those films you have mentioned and look forward to any comments you have to make in the near future. - FrB.TG (talk) 21:52, 4 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Resolved comments from Pavanjandhyala (talk) 17:20, 15 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Comments from Pavanjandhyala

Somewhat sick at the moment, which may limit my speed to post and respond to your comments. Also, please not that i am not completely aware of the subject.

I myself have a terrible cold right now.
Lead
  • "He aspired to an acting career from a young age, and moved to New York City to enroll in the MFA program at the Actors Studio in 2000." — A rather fine sentence, but it would be better to rewrite it as "..., and enrolled in the MFA program at the Actors Studio, New York City in 2000."
  • film debut came? happened is a better word i guess.
  • The Academy awards nominations were said to be four. But, the best actor mentioned are two and supporting actor is one. What has gone wrong?
  • It is better to mention Oscar as Academy only.
  • Hey, if the Tony award he was nominated for is only for that play, i suggest you remove its mention in the third paragraph.
  • In the last line, are both the honours related to 2011?
Early life
  • We have introduced him in the beginning itself as Bradley Charles Cooper: once in the lead and once in the infobox. Is it really necessary to start the first paragraph with full name?
  • He was raised Roman Catholic. I believe that "as a" is missing here.
  • "His parents were initially unsure about his career choice. "[They] ideally, would have wanted me to do something in finance", he says. They eventually changed their perceptions when they saw Cooper play the part of John Merrick in an excerpt from the play The Elephant Man (1977)." — This whole line can be rephrased to "Initially apprehensive, Cooper's parents changed their perceptions after watching him play the part of John Merrick in an excerpt from the play The Elephant Man (1977)." I am not against using quotes, but i felt that keeping it simple here would be a better option.
  • Just say the academy in the second line of the next paragraph. We have already mentioned its name earlier.
Career
  • In the first sub section, there are some long sentences which can be split into two at least for better reading. For example, "Cooper's cinematic debut came in the ensemble comedy Wet Hot American Summer (2001), a film that takes place at a fictional summer camp in 1981, and features him as Ben, the love interest of Michael Ian Black's character." Surely can be split into two.
  • Is My Little Eye so important, considering that he played only a minor role in it?
  • The Hangover part is well written. :)
  • In Limitless portions, what was the critic talking about? the actor's performance or the film's success? Please mention it.
  • "in a remake of A Star is Born." Please mention the original clearly.

I found the remaining sections well written, to the behest of my knowledge. I have nothing to say about the sources, citing, images etc. as they shall be handled properly by source and image reviewers. I find this article worthy enough. Please let me know once you are done working on them. Regards, Pavanjandhyala (talk) 12:56, 15 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks, Pavan! I have acted upon your suggestions. – FrB.TG (talk) 13:55, 15 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Support Good job. Pavanjandhyala (talk) 17:20, 15 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]
He aspired to an acting career from a young age, and enrolled in the MFA program at the Actors Studio, New York City in 2000. - comes across as puffy. Also doesn't make sense as he enrolled in the course when he was 25...which isn't young. I'd just remove the sentence
There are too many bits of quoted material in para 2 of the Early life section. I'd try and rewrite at least some segments in the following... which "floored" him and he "became obsessed with it".....Cooper believes that the "acting gene" might have come from his father, whom he thinks was "such a goofball".
Instead of paraphrasing the sentences, I simply removed them as they don't convey much meaning. – FrB.TG (talk) 10:17, 17 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Cooper shares a close relationship with his family. - shares it with who? Not sure the sentence actually adds anything...
I don't understand why there is a Works and awards section. This should be combined with career
It is just a brief summary of awards he has received and the most notable films he has appeared in because some users often find it difficult to find the filmography link, thus a separate section.
The lead is the summary. Another section with a summary that repeats part of the article again is unneeded. Just put pertinent material in the lead.
Done. - FrB.TG (talk) 12:51, 17 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Many thanks for the comments - much appreciated. – FrB.TG (talk) 10:17, 17 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • tentative support on comprehensiveness and prose - I can't see any other prose-clangers or omissions outstanding Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 12:58, 17 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support. Well illustrated with images with proper license. Well sourced. Well written.--Mark Miller (talk) 00:35, 19 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you both. – FrB.TG (talk) 13:13, 20 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support This is one of those rare articles that seem to be near perfection, as I couldn't find anything to raise in the GA review nor can I here. Well done! JAGUAR  18:39, 23 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Image review - all images appropriately licensed (usermade, Flickr, OTRS, etc.), though this one could use a standard description template on Commons:[2] FunkMonk (talk) 16:50, 31 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Source review - spotchecks not done

  • It appears that GD is a self-publisher; what makes FN30 a high-quality reliable source?
  • Generally we wouldn't use Rotten Tomatoes in cases other than those outlined at WP:ROTTEN
  • FNs 53 and 54 should be supplemented with another source for development details
  • Hellomagazine.com should be italicized. Nikkimaria (talk) 00:13, 1 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]
All done - thanks for the source review. – FrB.TG (talk) 15:14, 1 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Comments sorry for the delay in getting to this. A quick glance at the lede. While everyone has their own style, I often find it advantageous to spell out the importance of the subject of the article in the first paragraph, your best chance to get the attention of the uncommitted reader. As it is, if you have not heard of Mr. Cooper, the lede paragraph does nothing to draw you in as after telling us he's an actor, you just plunge into his early career. Just my opinion. More comments to follow. I'd ask that coordinators not hold up promotion if I'm delayed.--Wehwalt (talk) 21:57, 10 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, I know that reads interesting, but for Cooper, I don't seem to come up with something of that sort. He does not have a particular acting style that I could incorporate in the lead and he is not known for something particular either. Thanks for stopping by - I would be happy to address any other concerns you might have. If you are not able to find time to comment further, that is fine - no obligation. – FrB.TG (talk) 22:26, 10 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Done - shifted some parts of the third para to the opening para which discusses his success in the film industry. – FrB.TG (talk) 22:58, 10 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]
I've done some editing, feel free to revert what you don't like.
  • I think the dates for the various versions of The Elephant Man might confuse the reader. He was not acting at age 2. I would omit the years. After all, if it was Hamlet that inspired him, you likely would not put (c. 1602).
  • Georgetown should be given the fuller name and linked on the first mention, not the second. You use the name four times in consecutive sentences, which seems unnecessary
  • I read the article to say that he pursued actor's training in order to become a diplomat. Is this what you meant?
  • "He filmed all of his scenes on the last day of the series' production in February 2015" this seems trivial and a distraction from the chronological account of Bradley's career.
  • "However, Cooper stated in a 2011 interview with Shave" consider "Nevertheless"
  • "and played the part of the fictional character" why is not cutting these words and inserting "as" not sufficient?
Will finish soon.--Wehwalt (talk) 19:37, 12 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Looking forward. :) FrB.TG (talk) 20:46, 12 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Greater commercial success followed with the comedy sequel to The Hangover, The Hangover Part II (2011), which earned over $580 million worldwide." I would rearrange the sentence to avoid having the two titles together.
  • "a role Cianfrance specifically wrote for him. He drove five hours to Montreal, Canada to meet with Cooper" Two things. I would strike "Canada" as unneeded, and the word "him" referring to Bradley is succeeded by "he" referring to Cianfrance. I would rearrange.
  • "To create Kyle's large physique," it would be re-create, wouldn't it? And I am not sure I like "physique". Maybe "To appear to be as large as Kyle, ..."
  • You are not consistent with US vs. U.S.
  • The ages of Bradley and Esposito seem unremarkable. Why is that included?
  • "Stand Up to Cancer's 'Fifth Biennial Telecast" there seems to be a stray mark before "Fifth". There's a clash of future vs. past tenses in that sentence as well.
  • "but he later became one of Hollywood's most accomplished actors after the success of The Hangover (2009), Limitless (2011), Silver Linings Playbook (2012), The Place Beyond The Pines (2012), American Hustle (2013), and Guardians of the Galaxy (2014)." Why do we need his resume here? We've just gone through it in detail.
That's it. I'll take a glance through when you ping me.--Wehwalt (talk) 22:33, 15 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you, Wehwalt. I think I have dealt with your comments. – FrB.TG (talk) 07:24, 16 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Hi there! So you probably don't want to see more comments, but there are some things that I'd still like to see ironed out before I can accept.

  • I see some unsourced statements. For example, the first sentence in Breakthrough and success (2009–2012) is unsourced. However, this can be easily sourced with this. Also, "He guest-starred in the short-lived TV series Miss Match and played the part of cowboy and race horse trainer Morgan Murphy in the television film The Last Cowboy, which aired on the Hallmark Channel in January 2003." is uncensored. I recommend going through the article again and finding any sentences that don't end with a citation, and make sure that they are sourced in the next citation.
  • There is no mention of Cooper and Todd Phillip's production company. See this and this for some examples. I consider that to be very important to mention. Famous Hobo (talk) 04:16, 18 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]
@Famous Hobo: I believe I have sourced the unsourced sentences and mentioned the production company but not the show they are developing. - FrB.TG (talk) 05:20, 18 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Alright, both comments have been taken care of. I would support this article, but since I've been editing both his appearances and awards pages, I might be a bit biased toward this promotion. Regardless of my vote, there are enough supports to warrant a promotion. Famous Hobo (talk) 08:02, 20 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

@FAC coordinators: can we please close this? It's been open for almost two months now.

Support on prose per my standard disclaimer. These are my edits. - Dank (push to talk) 20:33, 26 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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