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Music of the Sun
3 articles
"Pon de Replay"
"If It's Lovin' that You Want"
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I believe that all three article meet the criteria to become a Good Topic. They aren't huge but they cover all aspects that is available. Everything is properly sourced. --Aaron • You Da One 13:41, 3 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

  • Sorry but oppose. The tour should be a GA. Nergaal (talk) 17:56, 3 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]
    " Items that are ineligible for featured article, featured list or good article status, either due to their limited subject matter (in the case of lists only) or due to inherent instability (in the case of either articles or lists), must have passed an individual quality audit that included a completed peer review, with all important problems fixed." Thanks for your comment, but your reason of what should be a GA contradicts the criteria. Rihanna: Live in Concert Tour has been peer reviewed with the issues fixed. Aaron • You Da One 19:19, 3 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]
    See Wikipedia:Good_articles/Arts#Music_businesses_and_events for a complete list of reasons why I think that is not true. Nergaal (talk) 21:23, 3 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]
    Rihanna: Live in Concert Tour has no other info. It won't ever become more than what it currently is. That link you gave me shows big tours. Aaron • You Da One 21:32, 3 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]
    Then I suggest the article be merged into the album's article. Roc Tha Block Tour doesn't even relate to Rihanna: Live in Concert Tour at all. — Status {talkcontribs 22:47, 3 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]
    Scratch that, the tour isn't even from this era. If it is removed from here I support it as a good topic. — Status {talkcontribs 22:59, 3 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Honestly, I don't think the concert tour can become a GA any time soon - besides, what most directly pertains to an album topic is the album and its singles, not the tour. For that reason, I support this nomination. Toa Nidhiki05 01:44, 4 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Neutral The line "Items that are ineligible for featured article, featured list or good article status ... due to their limited subject matter..." is a clause that contains, as you said, a "must have passed an individual quality audit that included a completed peer review", which is true. The intention for that point is to have FTs like Wikipedia:Featured topics/Thatgamecompany. Journey hasn't been released and therefore can't be a good article. If you claim that there is no information about the tour, that is weird. Perhaps there is no (more) online information, but offline may exist. It was a three-country concert and somebody must have attended it. I'm not supporting it as the tour article currently exists, but I'm neither opposing it as the tour had a correct PR. You have to decide if merge/delete/keep the Rihanna tour is the correct. Tbhotch.™ Grammatically incorrect? Correct it! See terms and conditions. 06:17, 4 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]
    As Status said, the tour actually supported her second album A Girl like Me (Rihanna album), so it's not really apart of the Music of the Sun era. Aaron • You Da One 12:04, 4 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]
    Similar to Who's That Girl World Tour (which promotes True Blue and Who's That Girl) and The Labyrinth (tour) (Spirt and Echo), this tour promoted both albums (according to the article). Even if it wasn't its era, it is part of the promotion of the album. Tbhotch.™ Grammatically incorrect? Correct it! See terms and conditions. 19:58, 4 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]
    The point is thought, this tour is incapable of becoming a GA. Aaron • You Da One 13:58, 5 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Comments:

  • "Pon de Replay" is 35 Kb while "If It's Lovin' that You Want" is 25 Kb. The former has a one-para lead while the latter has a two-paras lead. That needs to be fixed right now. Plus, the former's lead is quite dry (if I may say so).
    Both have been copy-edited and are of the same length now. Aaron • You Da One
  • Why are the background in all three articles so identical word-to-word?
    Because they talk about the same thing. Aaron • You Da One
    But that's very weird. How can they all have the same background? Jivesh1205 (Talk) 13:55, 4 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]
    Why would they have different ones? Lol. All went through the same development and conception. Aaron • You Da One
    So that means, if eight songs were released, you would have copy-pasted the same thing in eight song articles? Jivesh1205 (Talk) 14:00, 4 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]
    No, because they would have different backgrounds, or might not have the same amount. Aaron • You Da One
  • But these three are nearly carbon-copies. They all even have the same picture and everything else. Jivesh1205 (Talk) 14:03, 4 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

How does this relate to both songs?

Prior to signing a record deal with Def Jam Recordings, Rihanna was discovered in her home country of Barbados by American record producer Evan Rogers.[3] The pair met in December 2003 through mutual friends of Rihanna's and Rogers wife, whilst the couple was on vacation in Barbados, because of how Rihanna's friend had told Rogers wife how the aspiring singer was always singing and performing.[3] After meeting for the first time, Rogers asked Rihanna and her two friends to come to his hotel room to audition for him, where she performed renditions of Destiny's Child's "Emotion" and Mariah Carey's "Hero".[3] Rogers was so impressed with Rihanna's renditions that it prompted him to fly the singer to New York, where she was accompanied by her mother, Monica, to record some demo tapes which could be sent to record labels.[2][3] Production of the demo tapes took about year, due to Rihanna only being able to record during school holidays.[2] At the age of 16, Rihanna was signed to Rogers and Carl Sturken's production company, Syndicated Rhythm Productions, where she was given her own lawyer and manager, before the complete demo tape was distributed to various record labels around the world in late 2004.[2] The first to respond to the demo tape was Jay-Z, who had recently been appointed as president and CEO of Def Jam Recordings, where Rihanna auditioned for him and music executive L.A. Reid, in his office.[2][4] Looking back on the audition and meeting Jay-Z, Rihanna explained during an interview how she felt before walking into the room, saying: "That's when I really got nervous ... I was like: 'Oh God, he's right there, I can't look, I can't look, I can't look!' I remember being extremely quiet. I was very shy. I was cold the entire time. I had butterflies. I'm sitting across from Jay-Z. Like, Jay-Zee. I was star-struck."[2]

If you give me a very good explanation, it will be okay. Bu I don't see how this information is related to the songs. In fact, this is just one example. Jivesh1205 (Talk) 14:13, 4 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

  • How does the Whitney Houston picture add anything to each song articles?
    If a person is mentioned in the article, a picture is allowed to stay. The picture demonstrates who Rihanna covered during her audition. Aaron • You Da One
    In the song articles as well? In fact, that was my original question? Jivesh1205 (Talk) 13:55, 4 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]
    Yes Aaron • You Da One
    Since this is directly related to the background, I will reply above. Jivesh1205 (Talk) 14:00, 4 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]
The references look good. That's all (for now). Jivesh1205 (Talk) 12:56, 4 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]
I am now satisfied with "If It's Lovin' that You Want". I will comment of PDR again. Jivesh1205 (Talk) 14:01, 5 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Coming to PDR,

Prior to signing a record deal with Def Jam Recordings, Rihanna was discovered in her home country of Barbados by American record producer Evan Rogers.[3] The pair met in December 2003 through mutual friends of Rihanna's and Rogers wife, whilst the couple was on vacation in Barbados, because of how Rihanna's friend had told Rogers wife how the aspiring singer was always singing and performing.[3] After meeting for the first time, Rogers asked Rihanna and her two friends to come to his hotel room to audition for him, where she performed renditions of Destiny's Child's "Emotion" and Mariah Carey's "Hero".[3] Rogers was so impressed with Rihanna's renditions that it prompted him to fly the singer to New York,

Why does the reader need to know about this? Jivesh1205 (Talk) 14:09, 5 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Not removing. It explains how they met and Rogers later wrote and produced Pon de Replay. Aaron • You Da One 14:20, 5 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Why do we need to know where she was discovered? Where they met? The year? Roger's wife? The couple was on vacation? Rihanna and her two friends to come to his hotel room? For an audition? Performed renditions of A, B, C, ... Z? Why? All that should be in the album and bio page only. Jivesh1205 (Talk) 14:25, 5 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]
I disagree. That's what background info is. Aaron • You Da One 14:26, 5 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Background about what? About how she was discovered? Jivesh1205 (Talk) 14:28, 5 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]
He discovered her, she auditioned for him, he signed her to his production company, where he wrote and produced PdR for her, which became her debut single. Aaron • You Da One 14:29, 5 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]
I still don't see where you are trying to get. Rogers was so impressed with Rihanna's renditions that it prompted him to fly the singer to New York, where she was accompanied by her mother, Monica, to record some demo tapes which could be sent to record labels.[2][3] Production of the demo tapes took about year, due to Rihanna only being able to record during school holidays.[2]- What does all that mean? Simple, this information is about how she was signed by a label, not about the song or any other song. Jivesh1205 (Talk) 14:34, 5 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, production of the demo tapes which included Pon de Replay. Aaron • You Da One 14:35, 5 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Write and make it clear then. And removed all the story about their meeting and socialization. Jivesh1205 (Talk) 14:37, 5 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I propose this.

Prior to signing a record deal with Def Jam Recordings, Rihanna was discovered in her home country of Barbados by American record producer Evan Rogers, who made the necessary arrangements for her to fly to New York, where she recorded some demo tapes to be sent to record labels.[2][3] At the age of 16, Rihanna was signed to Rogers and Carl Sturken's production company, Syndicated Rhythm Productions before the complete demo tape of "Pon de Replay" was distributed to various record labels in late 2004.[2] The first to respond to the demo tape was Jay-Z, who had recently been appointed as president and CEO of Def Jam Recordings, where Rihanna auditioned for him and music executive L.A. Reid, in his office.[2][4] Looking back on the audition and meeting Jay-Z, Rihanna explained during an interview how she felt before walking into the room, saying: "That's when I really got nervous ... I was like: 'Oh God, he's right there, I can't look, I can't look, I can't look!' I remember being extremely quiet. I was very shy. I was cold the entire time. I had butterflies. I'm sitting across from Jay-Z. Like, Jay-Zee. I was star-struck." During the audition, Rihanna performed Whitney Houston's cover of "For the Love of You", "Pon de Replay" and "The Last Time", the latter two of which would go on to be included on her debut album, Music of the Sun.[2] Initially, Jay-Z was skeptical about signing Rihanna, because he felt "Pon de Replay" was too big for her, saying "when a song is that big, it's hard [for a new artist] to come back from. I don't sign songs, I sign artists".[5]

I believe this is fine and most importantly, not fancrufty. But I have to ask something with respect to what is in bold. Was that song originally covered by Whitney Houston? Jivesh1205 (Talk) 15:04, 5 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

<blocquote> During the audition, Rihanna performed Whitney Houston's cover of "For the Love of You", "Pon de Replay" and "The Last Time", the latter two of which would go on to be included on her debut album, Music of the Sun.[2] Initially, Jay-Z was skeptical about signing Rihanna, because he felt "Pon de Replay" was too big for her, saying "when a song is that big, it's hard [for a new artist] to come back from. I don't sign songs, I sign artists".[5] The audition resulted in Rihanna signing a six album record deal with Def Jam Recordings in February 2005, on the same day of the audition, with Jay-Z saying "There's only two ways out. Out the door after you sign this deal. Or through this window ...", meaning that he was not going to let her leave without signing a record deal.[2] After signing with Def Jam Recordings, Rihanna canceled multiple other meetings with record labels and relocated herself from Barbados to New York to live with The Rogers.[6] </blocquote>

And this? Why all this in a song article? Jivesh1205 (Talk) 14:09, 5 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Removed the bold text. Aaron • You Da One 14:20, 5 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

:Now leaning to support Let me take a last look. Jivesh1205 (Talk) 15:49, 5 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

  • Comment The image has to be changed to something from 2005-06, like this one. I agree with Jivesh about that background info. If you insist on keeping it, trim it down. It's good in "Pon de Replay", but it doesn't really make much sense to include it in "Lovin'". And I really don't think the Whitney picture adds anything to the song articles. She just sang one her songs. Big whoop. Plus, how important is her mother's name, Monica, here, and who cares what Rihanna thought to herself before entering a room? Pancake (talk) 20:48, 4 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]
    I have changed the GT box picture. I have removed the Background section from If It's Lovin' and re-worked the article a bit. The Whitney pictures stays; if a person is mentioned, the picture is allowed to be there. And I have removed Monica. Aaron • You Da One 13:54, 5 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I'd prefer if an extra comment or two, ideally from a non-music person, could take a look at the topic just so we can get a clear consensus one way or the other. Right now I don't feel comfortable promoting or not promoting it. I'll try to find someone if no one else comments in a couple days. Wizardman Operation Big Bear 02:37, 25 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

  • Comment - It does seem that information on the tour is pretty thin, but I'd be more comfortable with excluding it from the topic if there was some evidence that editors have searched thoroughly. At the moment, there has been no discussion of the article on the talk page, and only one person commented on the peer review. Parsecboy (talk) 12:47, 27 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Because there is nothing to expand with. Trust me I've looked. Aaron • You Da One 15:52, 27 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • This was a tough one, I had to look through it for a while and get an outside opinion as well. Had others expressed concern about the tour article this would perhaps have been a different outcome, but nearly everyone seems fine with the topic as is, now that the articles themselves have been cleaned up as well. Closed with consensus to promote as good topic. Wizardman Operation Big Bear 15:50, 6 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]
    Thanks :) Aaron • You Da One 15:52, 6 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]
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