User talk:Zoe/November 1 2006

Trolling

Hey, I removed some crazy ranting/whining from an IP that seemed a lot like trolling. If it was actually legitimate, please accept my apologies, and feel free to revert me. --Mr. Lefty _{Talk to me!} 19:06, 3 September 2006 (UTC)

Advertising?

Who posted an advertisement??????

Question

How do I post about Roleplayers Ring. It's a roleplayers community centered around bringing roleplayers together and acting as the center for roleplayers in general. Also I noticed if you search up Orcs it has links at the bottom linking to www.orcs.ca How do I submit links like that??? i posted an advertising..

So

So how do I submit links under the Orc description??

Also just Corner Stone Casting is considered an Ad right?

Okay thank you

So the Roleplaying, Blood Clan, and Corner Stone ones will fail short. Gotcha, I hope nothing related to Blake Van Leer will because those were actually articles on several different websites, news papers and magazines I transfered over for a friend.

I did my research

Thanks again I read the guidelines and will make sure not to post anything that can even appear to be spam.

Thanks

Thank you for helping me do this correctly. I changed the Blood Clan and I will not be adding the Corner Stone again. If you search Shadowclan thats an article I compared with mine with. They are an online community who started after Bloodclan.

Gumleys et al

Thanks for kicking in your two cents on my prod. Out of curiosity, which speedy criteria did you use on it beforehand? I couldn't find one which quite fits the bill. BigHaz Schreit mich an 09:17, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

Bob Santanos

Hey.Zoe. My name is Bob Santanos. I just wanted to apoligize if the guy who was attacking me got on your nerves. I don;t know what happened. To quote him "headaaaaggghhhhh!!!!!"Bob santanos

Zoe

The user Jestix is harassing me, can you please tell him to stop. I'm new here and I'm just figuring out how to use this website. He's constantly sending me pm's following me around. He even comments on items you already pointed out several times.

I have learned a lot and I'm still trying to become user friendly with this website.

Best Regards, Blake

This user Blake911 has been uncivil and he takes the nomination of his non notable Wikipedia page personally. He's not as helpless as he lets on and I'm currently trying to ascertain if he's employing sock puppets or meat puppets on the Bloodclan AfD Wikipedia page. Best regards, Shazbot85^Talk 07:21, 5 September 2006 (UTC)

How

How do I do that?

Shazbot85

Has been known to harass me, members of my online community and of several other communties. He has an agenda to benefit himself and his Shadowclan guild. Please do not allow him to harass people on wikipedia or myself.

Thank you, Blake Van Leer

In what ways have I harassed you? Was it the consistantly polite warnings I gave you when you personally attacked me and vandalized Wikipedia pages? If that's considered harassment I forsee problems for you, because it will never fly for you to act in an immature manner of your choosing, doing damage to pages and attacking editors you disagree with over trivial matters such as your guild's non notable wikipedia page. I would like to add, I have never met anyone from his "online community". The only person I've come int contact that's acted in such a manner is this very user. Nor do I have any idea what "other communities" he speaks of. The vaugeness with which he accuses me gives him away. He conducts himself in the manner of a 5 year old, lying to the teacher to get his fellow classmate in trouble for something he did. This user lashes out at people he disagrees with, and screams harassment when they correct him. I would like to see if an administrator can straighten him out, because obviously the repeated warnings from Jestix and myself aren't working, and this slander isn't my cup of tea and is a waste of your time, as well as mine. Regards, Shazbot85^Talk 21:41, 5 September 2006 (UTC)

Why you Deleted Eastern Virtual Airlines?

Because I never had seen that other Virtual Airline Article has been deleted.

:(

I'm sorry. I didn't realize my vandalizm page had been turned to a PA against Cyde. It used to just be funny. I even had rules! Seems they didn't do much. I've been gone for a while, so I haven't seen it lately. Forgive me; 69.145.123.171 ^Hello! Wednesday, September 6, 2006, 02:33 (UTC)

I always love doing other people's, which is why I wanted to make one. 69.145.123.171 ^Hello! Wednesday, September 6, 2006, 02:36 (UTC)

Roberta Trias-Kelley

Could you please tell me why this was deleted? I made it noteworthy like asked to...it doesn't violate any copyrights. This person is a major woman martial artist who is definately worthy of publication. Please advise.

I had gone through Alabamaboy and he recommended that I rewrite the article, which was done. Could you explain why it isn't ok and why it is now protected. I certainly read a lot of stuff on Wikipedia that are much more worthy of deletion. If you don't find this a good bio could you tell me what to do to make it so?

About your AN/I comments

Listen, I've typically considered you reasonable, even though I rarely agree with you. But if you honestly think I'm only here to disrupt, and can honestly say that after looking at all my contributions instead of the 5 or 6 AfD discussions I take part in on a given day, why do you continue to take the swipes at me in areas here and there? What do I need to do to demonstrate otherwise to you? If you're beyond convincing, why haven't you escalated it further, I can give you three names right off the top of my head who would be glad to certify an RfC for you or more if you really felt the need. So what's the deal? What can I do? --badlydrawnjeff talk 20:13, 6 September 2006 (UTC)

Thank you!

Zoe, yours is a screen name both near and dear to my heart. I remember that you watched my back on a few occasions before I got the mop and bucket. Thank you for the welcome-home. - Lucky 6.9 04:39, 7 September 2006 (UTC)

Roberta Trias-Kelley

Zoe, this is what I posted on the deletion review. It would be helpful if I could get some specifics about why she didn't appear to be notable to you. I asked you for some help and your entire response was, that I had still not established notability. Please give me some feedback so that I can fix this. Thank-you, Lesshadow

I would like to have an article that I wrote undeleted. The article is about Roberta Trias-Kelley, who is a major pioneer in Martial Arts for women. Specifically Shuri-Ryu Karate. She has been featured in Black Belt Magazine. She was the first woman to receive a Blackbelt in Shuri-ryu, as well as, one of the first American women to receive a black belt. She inherited the system from her father, pioneer Robert Trias (who many call the father of American Karate). She did NOT inherit a dojo! She inherited a system! She was head of the United States Karate Association, Inc. for 10 years, the largest martial arts organization of that time (1989-1999). She is one of a handful of Menkyo Kaidens in the world of martial arts and has known and trained with many of the greats. She did exhibitions in martial arts in the 1960s with Bruce Lee. She is the Grandmaster of Shuri-ryu. She competed at a time when there were no divisions for women and won! She is one of the few women who has ever become a 10th degree blackbelt. That is as high as it goes. She is known for her ranking in Okinawan Kobudo and as well and coauthored a book on the subject with her father. She is a role model in the area of martial arts and continues to enjoy teaching. She doesn't charge for teaching, so this isn't any sort of advertisement. She travels, teaches and mentors Karateka all over the world. In Wikipedia, you have a lot of the people that are listed as Chief Instructors-which she is also, and they are still on...because it is a historical item. I would like her put back on, especially since she is the head of the system and one with a good amount of notoriety. Thank-you, Lesshadow

Elie Weisel in picture of prisoners at Buchenwald

Hi, does anyone know which prisoner Elie Weisel is in the picture of the Jewish prisoners at Buchenwald? It says that he is the seventh one from the left on the second row. Is this the second row from the top or the bottom?

The reason I am asking is because this picture will be published. I need to confirm that Elie Weisel is indeed the man whose face can be seen in the second row from the bottom just barely peeking out 2 faces down from the man with the white cap.

Thanks! My email is <deleted>

I would greatly appreciate the help, as would my publishing company.

Thank You

Zoe, thank you for unblocking me, once again I am sorry. I can't tell you how much I appreciate it.- Ex-Troll

meatloaf

that was most definatly NOT nonsense. Many people should know about Jerry Perajean. Obiously you do not.

Your help/deletion review.

Doesn't seem like you are interested in helping do anything to make wikipedia better, just that you like to exercise muscle. It is hard for you to determine notability in an area that you are totally unfamiliar with and will not try to learn more about. Am I frustrated, yes. I have asked you to help me by giving me examples to establish notability that would suit you but you obviously have no interest in doing anything that might be helpful.

i would appreciate it if you would undelete my meatloaf article. Just because you dont know something doesnt make it nonsense. Mabe you should be more objective in the future

OK?

Hey, Zoe. Are we okay after all of that?- Ex-Troll

After all of what? User:Zoe|(talk) 21:38, 10 September 2006 (UTC)

All the trolling I did on your page and probably around a dozen other pages. I know it may have caused you a lot of trouble. I'm an actual Wikipedian now, though, and I really like Wikipedia.

Deletion Review

Unfortunately I find it strange that my article was deleted within a minute of being posted before I could properly add a reason for the article on the Talk page. There are far more articles on Wiki with less information and my post on Endor would seem relevant considering they were a signed band with a national release and whom also had a relationship to the band Finch.

Aparently your administrative decisions have come into question before and I hope more thoughtfully review any decisions in the future.

X3i

What would I need to do in order to keep the X3i page up on here? I don't know what more proof you all would need. Let me know if I need more references or anything else. I'm not understanding the criteria on this site. I would just be let down to see the page get deleted after all the work that has been put into it thus far.

Thanks :)

X3i Series

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star_Wars:_Revelations

This is a link to a wikipedia page for an internet fan film which did not have a national theater release. Though, I do not doubt it's notability, it does cast a shadow over the arguement made regarding X3i's non-theater release and significance. At the bottom of the linked page is a list of other such internet fan films, mostly regarding Star Wars (unofficially) that also fail to meet the release criteria.

Because I feel this debate is becoming circular, and I feel as though no matter what evidence or arguements I present I will be countered with continued, perhaps repetitive rebuttal, I am beginning to question the overall objectivity of this evaluation. I would like to state that X3i as a series or movie, nor its creators, are seeking this inclusion into the Wikipedia database as a means for promotion or even validation. Our own accomplishments with the network, internet viewings, and forums are satisfying enough for both of those departments.

I am being told now, as before, that X3i is failing to meet this or that certain criteria, but I feel I have provided sufficient evidence or argument to the contrary on all accounts. Aside from that, many of these supposed requirements being presented are not requirements even being met by other wikipedia entries.

X3i Series

See, that is the sort of argument I was talking about--circular. You failed to present a case against the majority of my statements. One film being THE exception is not a valid or objective point. Who or what exactly determines what is or is not an exception? It is also untrue. I directed you to the bottom of the page where there are links to other such fan films. I guess I will have to lay them out for you.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Broken_Allegiance http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crazy_Watto http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Darth_Vader%27s_Psychic_Hotline http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/How_the_Sith_Stole_Christmas http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IMPS_The_Relentless http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Jedi_Hunter

and so on...

ALSO, please note that X3i DOES have a notable network showing on Buck-i TV and is the ONLY student series shown on OSTN.

Links provided: https://ceai1.campuseai.org/portal/page?_pageid=233,8571180&_dad=portal&_schema=PORTAL http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open_Student_Television_Network http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buckeye_tv

SO, the series is more than a mere burb on some insignificant local college station, it aires on televisions across multiple college universities. As a courtesy of debate, I would appreciate if you would take the time and consideration to provide clear and concise reasoning for your arguements, as well as meet each point or topic within my rebuttals. I do not think that is too much to ask.

I never made any judgements about the quality of the other productions. The greatest concern you have brought up is a clear lack of professionalism, tact, and objectivity. I doubt Wikipedia or any other professional institution would accept your words as being representative of their own. You have failed to address several concerns and FACTS being brought up about the topic, and I do not wish to continue this "debate" with you. I would like to speak to another moderator, who, hopefully, will display the positive qualities you seem to lack.

I think those five people would have the sense to look at the same evidence and arguments that have been presented to you with objective clarity and worthwhile commentary.

X3i

I never set up a forum to spam the scifi channel. We like some of the programs the scifi channel puts out. We place our stuff on forums for criticism and feedback. We're placing it on here for people who are interested in the history of the whole project. How did we fail to prove the notability of this project?

1.) Ohio States first SciFi Action Drama on Buckeye TV. 2.) The only show from Ohio State that airs on OSTN. 3.) Ohio States first feature length scifi drama film.

What else is there to prove? I believe in the time that its taking you to respond, you are not reading all of the facts that we have presented before you. It sounds to me that you have already made up your mind on the subject and no matter what evidence of notability we give, you will choose to not listen. X3i is fact, it is there, you can view it. To me it sounds like you all are basing this on how many people have seen and/or heard about it. This is an online encyc, not a popularity contest.

AFD

I have found your manner in AFD discussions to be needlessly rude and provocative, especially the discussions of Lebowski Fest and New Numa. I have not said a single thing to justify your harsh and abrasive responses. I think, as an administrator, you should show more maturity and tact than you have. Allon FambrizziAllon Fambrizzi

Thanks for your comments. Some categories will come up for deletion soon. I would appreciate your opinion on the CfD page (or on my talk page!). Bellbird 14:08, 12 September 2006 (UTC)

History and Hello

It's a little late for this, but welcome back to Wikipedia. You were among the first few people to interact with me when I first started editing. Your edits often overlapped with mine and I was sad to see you go. I just wanted to say hello! -- Ram-Man 14:27, 12 September 2006 (UTC)

Edward the Elder

Nice work and a big improvement. Since you have Nick Higham's book, can I ask if you'd mind popping over to Talk:Ethelweard where the question of what to call this son of Edward the Elder is being discussed (sort of). Cheers ! Angus McLellan (Talk) 10:26, 14 September 2006 (UTC)

IrishGuy revisions

So, the 3 Revert Rule doesn't apply to both parties? Just curious, seeing as IrishGuy is the one that originally, spitefully, deleted a verfiable bullet from an article, by ANOTHER user, out of a personal grudge? I've done nothing but restore it. If you are an admin, I would expect a little bit more professionalism and tolerance. Drdunbar 19:08, 15 September 2006 (UTC)

Karel's Outsider

Why was it deleted?

Why was article deleted?

Why did you delete the article on Joules Scott-Key, drummer for Metric?

Thanks.

Joules Scott-Key

You referred me to the notability page, which has as a criteria of notability "Has had a record certified gold or higher in at least one large or medium-sized country." Metric has one album that went Gold in canada, and another, Live it Out, has gone double platinum in Canada. Scott-Key is the drummer for this band, and widely recognized as one of the most significant drummers on the Indie rock scene. So why delete?

Pudbrowncapie

Hi. You just did a speedy deletion of the a short wikipedia article that I submitted about a new dessert called "pudbrowncapie". Yes this is dessert is funny. However, it is just as funny, as I see it, as turducken or any of the variations discussed on the turducken page. In fact, this dessert was created especially for eating with turducken. I don't know much about using wikipedia, so I will try to re-create the page now. I am not trying to add nonsense to the collection. JakeWB

Reference for Metric's albums going Gold in Canada are here: http://www.cria.ca/gold/0206_g.php and here: http://www.cria.ca/gold/0306_g.php. That Metric opened for the Rolling Stones in Madison Square Garden is here: http://www.iorr.org/tour05/tour06a.htm. When you undelete, I can add references.

Jules Scott-Key revisited

Per your request references, here they are for Metric's significance. Scott-Key is their drummer. Reference for Metric's albums going Gold in Canada are here: http://www.cria.ca/gold/0206_g.php and here: http://www.cria.ca/gold/0306_g.php. That Metric opened for the Rolling Stones in Madison Square Garden is here: http://www.iorr.org/tour05/tour06a.htm. Will you undelete, so that I can add references. --Bagertjr 04:55, 17 September 2006 (UTC)

archive

oh sorry. I thought I'd followed the howto scrupulously! Thanks for the fixup. Pascal.Tesson 23:03, 17 September 2006 (UTC)

Merge request

I see you added a merge request to Dave "The King" Wilson. It is important the the person requesting the merge goes to the discuss link to start the conversation about why he/she feels it should be merged. Quoting from Wikipedia:Merging and moving pages:

After proposing the merge, place your reasons on the talk page and check back in a couple of weeks for a response. You may be able to invoke a response by contacting some of the major or most-recent contributors via their respective talk-pages. If there is a clear agreement after two weeks, that the articles should be merged then go ahead and merge them. If there is no response after four weeks then go ahead and merge the articles.

Another editor had removed you merge request, which I reverted. However, considering that you did not go to the talk page to say why you want it merged, I am not sure that what this editor did was wrong. If you don't state your case soon, I will also remove your request from the article. Thanks. --rogerd 01:29, 18 September 2006 (UTC)

bettymaker

Please explain to us why informing people about who we are and what we do is considered "advertising".

We are not selling anything.

Our website does not sell anything.

We've never sold anything.

We exchange photos, ideas and talent. Not money, checks, or credit cards. We give people donated cameras, lights, clothing, etc to get them involved in photography or modeling. WE DON'T MAKE A PROFIT!

I've searched numerous wikipedia pages that, by your definition, would be considered advertising.

For example, please visit "Betty X". She is simply informing people of who she is and what she does. That's all we did and you booted us.

This is our first attempt at this, so if you can edit our content or make a suggestion so it tells about us and how we give back to the community as a non-profit group then we would appreciate your insight. Thank you in advance for your assistance.

Here is the original idea:

"BettyMaker is one of the finest and most prestigous producers of home grown female photography in the Los Angeles and Seattle areas. It began in 1999 as the brain child of Suze Delbourne and Erika Sten as a way for female photographers and models to share photographs. By mid 2001 it had grown to promote localized image galleries, work shops and fashion shows. Since then all proceeds have been donated to charitable causes such as Fred Hutchinson Breast Cancer Research Center in Seattle, Interact Worldwide (AIDS awareness), and a variety of woman's shelters."

We do a lot for the areas we live in, so it feels a bit like a slap in the face to get knocked off wikipedia when we are trying to promote PHOTOGRAPHY and MODELING, not advertise.

Thanks a bunch,

Erika

Erika,

The key word in your description of what you're doing is "promote." Regardless of how noble your purpose here, Wikipedia is here to inform, not to promote. As such, we at least try to maintain standards: only things that are encyclopedic are included.

Ask yourself this: would you pick up a copy of the Britannica and expect to see BettyMaker in it? No. That's one perspective on why it might be inappropriate here at this point. As my good friend User_talk:Phil Sandifer has pointed out, Wikipedia isn't the Britannica. But it is an encyclopedia. I do hope you continue to edit the encyclopedia, and don't take this personally.

Hope this helps,

Nandesuka 04:43, 18 September 2006 (UTC)

About RedBrick Studios

The reason I added the article is because I live in Carlow (yes its real) and the place is of interest to loads of people. I don't have all the details though, maybe you could get someone to expand it - but i didnt make it up. Carlow is a real town, Ireland is a real country and there is a recording studio here called RedBrick. I just added what information I have about it. I can't help any further.

re Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/WPVI-TV Anchors

Hi Zoe. Argh, it completely slipped my mind. Man, the wheels in Zoeland do grind exceedingly fine. Er, I was gonna post at the Fair Use project, but I just plain forgt. However, I would note that:

1. It would not be reasonably possible to replace the image with an image of the same value, that is, one showing the person in the context of the work for which he is notable, i.e on screen with the station logo. (It would be theoretically possible to get a free photo of the person and photoshop in the logos, but...)
2. Inasmuch as the article has any value (debatable), the photos are integral part of that, I would say. After all, we are talking about local TV news anchors, in other words, pretty boys (and girls) and talking heads. Looks is practically as much of their value (and therefore their notability) as it is for a model.
3. No other danger factors, such as replacing a marketable image etc. are in play.

HowEVER, the pics aren't used for "critical commentary". How could they be -- what the hell can you say about the weekday noontime anchor for East Jesus On-The-Spot news or whatever. So meh. My two cents is that they're legitimate fair use per the numbered points above, but if you are anyone wants to cut them, I'm OK with that too. Herostratus 03:34, 19 September 2006 (UTC)

• No, far from minding, I greatly appreciate your diligence. I dropped the ball on this one and appreciaste you picking it up. Herostratus 20:41, 19 September 2006 (UTC)

Roy Leep - you've been Spotteddogsdotorg'ed

FYI, please watch out for the Spotteddogsdotorg (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · nuke contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) sockmaster vandal. He duped you into deleting Roy Leep by crushing the article to nothing and then slapping a {{db}} tag on it. It's about the third article I've saved from that ruse so he's clearly quite active. Be on the lookout at CAT:CSD!  :) —Wknight94 (talk) 14:35, 19 September 2006 (UTC)

I'm confused. I see nothing in the article's history which indicates it was deleted, and I see nothing in the user you mention's history which shows that he edited the article. User:Zoe|(talk) 20:14, 19 September 2006 (UTC)

No, that user was banned more than a year ago but his sockpuppets are very easy to spot - they attack reporter articles. Actually, the logs and history seem to have gotten a little messed up since I restored. There's edit #1 with a db-attack tag followed by edit #2 which made the page look like a dab page with two redlinks, one of which is a porn star. Then the deletion log shows that you deleted the page as an attack page. I'm not sure why that happened when edit #1 was the db-attack vandalism, not edit #2. Anyway, as you can see there, FCFI (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · nuke contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) and 69.93.121.162 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · filter log · WHOIS · RDNS · RBLs · http · block user · block log) have both caused the article to be deleted as CSD A6. Then another banned user, Borox (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · nuke contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) created a redirect there. After he was banned, I was reverting a related move (by Borox) and found that Roy Leep had been deleted and recreated so I restored the entire history and then rv back to the original pre-vandalism article. So yes, I'm a little confused now myself... but the general consensus is that messing with reporter articles is a sure sign of Spotteddogsdotorg (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · nuke contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log). —Wknight94 (talk) 21:04, 19 September 2006 (UTC)

See Category:Suspected Wikipedia sockpuppets of Spotteddogsdotorg for more info... He's made it so admins need to be very careful in CAT:CSD. —Wknight94 (talk) 21:06, 19 September 2006 (UTC)

You didn't make a mess - the vandal did. I'm just trying to get the word out so folks are more dilligent about checking history before speedying. Pass it on!  :) —Wknight94 (talk) 23:42, 19 September 2006 (UTC)

Thankyou Zoe

Hey Zoe, thankyou so much for supporting my recent RfA. I am absolutely thrilled that it passed with a final tally of 160/4/1. I have long respected your dedication to the 'pedia and the hard, thankless work you do with the mop, dealing with trolls, vandals etc. So your comment was particularly highly valued. Thankyou. :) Cheers, Sarah Ewart (Talk) 13:30, 21 September 2006 (UTC)

lol. Thanks, Zoe. I'll be sure to stock up on some of that admin brand of rouge! :D Sarah Ewart (Talk) 03:45, 22 September 2006 (UTC)

http://en.wikTalk:Fibulae and ancient brooches

Your help is needed on a practical matter, when you can spare a moment. --Wetman 05:07, 25 September 2006 (UTC)

DRV

Would you please look at my proposal re 911tRtT? Thanks, &#151; Xiutwel (talk) 08:37, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

copyright

The image of Jones and Sheen in User:Xiutwel/9-11:_The_Road_to_Tyranny is a violation of copyright, as it's a fair use image and therefore can only exist on an article about Sheen or Jones. It would be a copyvio even if this article was not in your User space. User:Zoe|(talk) 17:39, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for alerting me. However, when I look at the page, the image is not there. So, have you fixed the problem already? Or need I do something now? &#151; Xiutwel (talk) 21:30, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

OK, I've disabled it now. I don't know what the problem was why it did not show earlier, never mind. &#151; Xiutwel (talk) 23:17, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

David Harris

Actually, he's less notable than that. "Parade College" is a high school - a lot of Australian schools call themselves "XYZ College", particularly private schools. The sport he plays is a major one in the Australian context, but he plays it at least 4 levels below the highest competition. BigHaz - Schreit mich an (Review me) 22:48, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

Bannned Editors

This is from the page on ban

Within Wikipedia, a ban is a formal revocation of editing privileges on the main articles. A banned user is still able to edit any page; however, the user is discouraged from doing so. A ban is sometimes confused with a block, but the terms have distinct meanings. Blocked users are prevented from editing any page; an attempt to edit will be met with a "User is blocked" page.

Are you disputing this? --NuclearUmpf 17:01, 28 September 2006 (UTC)

No, but I am disputing your definition of a banned user. User:Zoe|(talk) 17:05, 28 September 2006 (UTC)

You called him banned, I didn't. Thats the rule on banned users. --NuclearUmpf 17:07, 28 September 2006 (UTC)

He has been blocked from editing because he refuses to follow policy. That includes the ability to edit any page. Don't be his defender, don't restore his comments, or you'll find yourself in the same circumstances (not a warning, by the way, just advice). Note that this is not my fight -- as far as I know, I have never had any dealings with him. User:Zoe|(talk) 17:11, 28 September 2006 (UTC)

I have not either and neither is it mine, but Jayjg continuing to post after removing their comments is bating, which eithe ryou or him specifically said you are not suppose to do to banned users. Its having a one sided conversation, posting "I am not going to talk to you" is like childish behavior (note: comparisons are not violations of WP:NPA). --NuclearUmpf 19:51, 28 September 2006 (UTC)

I've violated 3RR?

Reverts of banned editors don't count towards 3RR, and in any event I've only removed the edits 3 times, not 4. Can you explain how I could possibly have violated 3RR? Jayjg ^(talk) 17:13, 28 September 2006 (UTC)

I believe it says you are not suppose to revert 3 times simply because the limit is 3x. --NuclearUmpf 19:49, 28 September 2006 (UTC)

Sock

Can you block the sock please? Thanks. --Loganos 20:18, 28 September 2006 (UTC)

See also: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Transnistria#Carefull_to_sockpuppetry.2C_spaming_and_propaganda

Can you please tell me what other pages have I been warned? Please do this favor too. -- October 12th

So you deleted my entry on Wicked Small Games within 1 minute of it being created because I'm the only contributor?

Incoming

User:Geo Swan/working/xyzzy --NuclearUmpf 12:25, 29 September 2006 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Death of a lifetime

I have noticed when you closed the above AfD, you did not remove the category template, "REMOVE THIS TEMPLATE WHEN CLOSING THIS AfD". By deleting this when closing it pulls the discussion out of the category. I have deleted it from this discussion, but if you could review any other closures you have done recently and remove the tag from them it would be greatly appreicated. This is a fairly recent change. The guideline is at WP:AFDC. I have been going through the listing in each of the categories CAT:AFD and removing the tag from pages that are closed and adding the approriate category code for those in the uncatagorised group. Thanks.--Gay Cdn (talk) (email) (Contr.) 15:03, 30 September 2006 (UTC)

I see from the history that you did not close it, the reasoning indicates that you did - poor refactoring to blame.--Gay Cdn (talk) (email) (Contr.) 20:13, 30 September 2006 (UTC)

Daughters of Penelope

I am the newly appointed National Public Relations Director for the Daughters of Penelope a National Organzation. The Order of AHEPA for which we are an affiliate have a wikipedia presence and we would like to be a part of your information as well. What is the best way for us to proceed. Do you have a template that I should use to wikify the entry. I will be glad to accomodate. The Daughters of Penelope is over 75 years old, and has chapters in the US, Canada, Australia and Greece. We are proud of our philanthropic endeavors and the contribution we have made to our communities. I would appreciate your assistance. Thanks so much. I look forward to working with you to see this through.

Elena Kerasiotis National Public Relations Director Daughter of Penelope ekeras@aol.com

List of series connected to the Tommy Westphall Universe

In case you are not aware, the article above has been listed for AfD. Since you expressed an opinion on a related matter not long ago, I thought you might like to comment on the current matter. ---Charles 21:57, 2 October 2006 (UTC)

hey

hey i get it stop

This is actually 100% my writing... Working on it now in fact. It relates to a game called Warhammer 40,000 by Games Workshop. http://us.games-workshop.com . Space marines are genetically modified human warriors and are organized into 1000 individual "chapters" this is the description of my own. See references to "Blood Angles", "White Scars". "Dark Angels" and "Space Wolves" for other more major Marine chapters of legend.

Raid on Jaffna University

You could let me finish writing before adding your tag!!!!Rueben lys 22:07, 8 October 2006 (UTC)

You could have a look at the history to see it's been being written for the last five minutes or so. Besides, the Background section was there anyway, which provides the context that you were looking for.

Are you blind???Rueben lys 22:12, 8 October 2006 (UTC)

PS: The first sentence tells you 'what is being talked about and not why you're talking about whatever you're talking about

It says it was launched by the IPKF. An article on Operation Pawan does not exist. The context is, I believe, more than directed to in the

Main article: IPKF

See also: Sri Lankan Civil War, Indo-Sri Lanka Accord, LTTE, and Operation Poomalai

bit!!!. Sure you would think it is from a fisctional universe because, I am guessing, you don't read about the Sri Lankan Civil War. And I would write more if you stop posting messages in my talk page which I have to take time to read.Rueben lys 22:19, 8 October 2006 (UTC)

Arbitration

Dear Zoey, this message is to let you know that I have brought your actions last night to the attention of the arbitration committee and have requested that your admin priviledges (if any) be revoked.

You have also not informed me what or where is the process forum and process by which I can report your actions which I found totally unacceptable, especially from who I belkieve is an administrator. I was under the impression that it is your responsibillity to inform me, on request, where and how to air my grievance, and you have failed to honour this responsibillity.Rueben lys 11:25, 9 October 2006 (UTC)

Cuddle Puddle

I'm thinking about how to close that one, and the comment you made that the event had shown up in CSI seemed somewhat relevant. My decision on how to close may be influenced by an issue which you weren't clear about there: was it called a "cuddle puddle" on CSI? JoshuaZ 20:26, 9 October 2006 (UTC)

Andrew Jackson Jihad

Check the talk page. New info has been added. This meets WP:MUSIC. PT ^(s-s-s-s) 23:49, 9 October 2006 (UTC)

• CHECK... THE... TALK PAGE!!! PT ^(s-s-s-s) 23:52, 9 October 2006 (UTC)
  • Read... the... article... and... the... sources... cited. PT ^(s-s-s-s) 23:55, 9 October 2006 (UTC)
    • As I mentioned at the AfD (does anyone on Wikipedia actually bother to READ anything or anymore, or do they just work off assumptions?), I alerted editors to the article and the AfD to get their opinion, I didn't try to sway it one way or another, so it's not spam. PT ^(s-s-s-s) 17:02, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

Is it a full moon tonight...

...or is it just me? I'm just getting off work and I was doing a bit of new page patrolling during some downtime. It's weirder than usual! Keep up the good fight.  :) - Lucky 6.9 03:06, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

Lucky 6.9 has smiled at you! Smiles promote WikiLove and hopefully this one has made your day better. Spread the WikiLove by smiling to someone else, whether it be someone you have had disagreements with in the past or a good friend. Smile to others by adding {{subst:smile}}, {{subst:smile2}} or {{subst:smile3}} to their talk page with a friendly message. Happy editing!

LOL! To give you an idea of what I've experienced, I had a sockpuppet of a banned troll leave a "what's up nigga" howdy, another new user threaten me with administrative action for deleting his article...which I couldn't find...and a user getting upset for deleting an article on a small business. Oh, and let's not forget the copyvios I've deleted which turned out to belong to the original authors. Would have been nice if they'd noted that, oh, I don't know, on the talk page?  :) Pleasure to smile at ya. Signing off for now. - Lucky 6.9 03:10, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

Re: Deleting User pages

Zoe wrote:

Although I have no problem with your deleting these pages, the deletion log is filling up with pages and pages of these deletes. Any chance you can do it in smaller batches? User:Zoe|(talk) 19:36, 14 October 2006 (UTC)

Yeah, good point. Sorry about that. I'll slow it down to one every 30 seconds – Gurch 19:38, 14 October 2006 (UTC)

the list of branches in milwaukee

theres a ton branches in the world so they should be named. I am Amrykid ,Elite wikistudent and I approve this message.

The YMCA's branches are locations. I am Amrykid ,Elite wikistudent and I approve this message.

Re: Lyrics

Can I leave a link to lyrics? or are they just not allowed?

Seanait

Re: Lyrics

Oh okay then, thanks! Now I know

Seanait

Re: Lyrics

Thanks!

It shows that badly eh?

Seanait

Re: Lyrics

lol, ok!

thats good i guess...

again, thanks for the warm welcome!

Seanait

they're lots of songs that are not singles that have info on them. A great example are the Nirvana songs I can find on "With the Lights Out" for another example the articles I made shouldn't be deleted just because they're not singles.

I am listening but I'm showing you that they're a lot of non-notable songs on your site. They're alot of people who don't know the song "Pen Cap Chew" ("With the Lights Out', Nirvana) but there's an article on it and besides I haven't made an article on a song or anything in a long time .

I'm not saying my articles are good or bad I'm saying if you want them improved say so but don't delete them because they are non-notable I'm just giving you examples to justify that my articles should stay and I admit that they could use a tune-up but I put in alot more info on the songs I choose then most people like "Dysntery Gary" (Enema of the State, blink-182) I improved that article I put the song meaning on it so they're some people who make worst articles then me and to state again I (repeat) I haven't made an article on a song or anything in a long time.

You're right I can't guess the meaning of songs but I did do research on some songs (eg: "Misery" Warning:, Green Day) and as for notablity when you can tell me why the song "Beeswax" (Incesticide, Nirvana") I'll delete one of my "bad" articles

Invest Sign article deletion

You said to provide reliable evidence. Can you explain more detailed what are reliable evidence of the article's claims in wikipedia and where are they explained? Thank's. Aferistas

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Zoe I loved your write up on the eunuchs. I agree with you all the way and if people saw this, it would only expose the Bible and make it more understandable. Thanks for your courage in standing up for truth. william

Can you please be more specific as to what you're referring to? User:Zoe|(talk) 17:22, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

Thanks

Thanks for those reverts to my user & user talk pages, Zoe. Picaroon9288 02:25, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

Jason Lee Middle School

What are you talking about.

Justinpauloberg 02:28, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

ok

Yeah

I screwed up with the block tag. I was following instructions for dealing with vandals, and one of them said to put the tag on. But I guess the instructions were only for admins. My mistake.--Francisx 03:44, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

Re: Brian Howe (singer)

Oh, I'm sorry. It was an accident when I was removing the wikify and cleanup tags, I must have accidentally deleted that tag. Wasn't on purpose, sorry. :) YSHOULDUKNOW123 17:10, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

YSHOULDUKNOW123 has smiled at you! Smiles promote WikiLove and hopefully this one has made your day better. Spread the WikiLove by smiling to someone else, whether it be someone you have had disagreements with in the past or a good friend. Smile to others by adding {{subst:smile}}, {{subst:smile2}} or {{subst:smile3}} to their talk page with a friendly message. Happy editing!

DRV

This is what occurs when the servers fail to recognize an edit conflict. I've had this happen once or twice before: The result is that A begins to edit; B edits; then A saves the old text before B's edit. I certainly did not intend to revert your edit, and I will restore it if you haven't. Septentrionalis 17:32, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

Yvonne S. Thornton

replied at talk:Yvonne S. Thornton -- Drini 18:23, 19 October 2006 (UTC) Is this available for viewing? User:Zoe|(talk) 23:44, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

publicly no, OTRS messages re confidential. I suppose you could email permissions@wikimedia.org mentioning the article and ticket numer, asking for a confirmation email reply-- Drini 15:55, 21 October 2006 (UTC)

Another proposal to move Los Angeles, California

Another proposal to move Los Angeles, California is being debated. You particpated in a previous discussion and may be interested in giving your opinion. Talk:Los Angeles, California#Requested move #3. Cheers, -Will Beback 18:57, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

hey ur being rude!I didnt post their first.I had replied to the user who was complaining against me and I was asked to do so by an admin. Mahawiki 02:20, 20 October 2006 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/MONGO

This case is now closed and the results have been published at the link above.

PrivateEditor (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)and Rootology (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) are banned indefinitely from Wikipedia. No action is taken against MONGO for any excessive zeal he has displayed. Links to Encyclopædia Dramatica may be removed wherever found on Wikipedia as may material imported from it. Users who insert links to Encyclopædia Dramatica or who copy material from it here may be blocked for an appropriate period of time. Care should be taken to warn naive users before blocking. Strong penalties may be applied to those linking to or importing material which harasses other users.

For the Arbitration Committee. Arbitration Committee Clerk, FloNight 02:32, 20 October 2006 (UTC)

Vandalism? I studied there for 8 years!

I added information to the Sydney Church of England Grammar School Wikipedia section, and you accuse me of vandalism?

I posted a detailed point by point description of the Uniform of the school [In this area of Sydney, and being a 'GPS school' makes this very valid, as the colour schemes are very defining]

Please, What did i do wrong? And if i didn't do anything wrong, does this false accusation stay against my account forever?

- Whsmith00

Discussion on Jimbo's page

I would tentatively suggest discussing this with Raul. He might have some idea which website the guy is talking about and it would be nice to know what it is. Incidentally, what user is that IP? JoshuaZ 19:52, 22 October 2006 (UTC)

Why are you against this word? It is not discriminating anyone and my whole entire town uses this word. Are you afraid that everyone will replace the word cheese with this word when taking a picture?

I am creating history. So if i patent this word you would put it in wikipedia? Its a free encyclopedia meaning it is a secondary source and by making it free everyone is allowed to explore and share new ideas. This is not vandalism I am not destroying anyones property, I am simply adding a new word to the English vocabulary.

I understand but if one creates an organization or a new company...wouldnt that information be detailed in every encyclopedia. And if a founder of a company or a new word or a new idea be located inside the encyclopedia. The encyclopedia introduces new thoughts as well as giving details of old thoughts. History is being told within and new upcomings would bring history in tomorrow. What you are doing right now can be seen in textbooks. Not letting an individual express new ideas. This can be related to Socrates and he my friend started history.

And perhaps you would like to consider that MAYBE, just MAYBE, a Playboy Playmate is NOT an alumini of Mayfield Secondary School? It's a god damn high school, not a porno shop!

Where are these places where one can share their own ideas?

ever consider

that a Playboy Playmate can't be a high school alumini? especially a Brampton school which is 50% supplied by Caledon kids? I know Mayfield more than you give me credit for, and I can promise you that the Playmate is NOT not an alumini.

Please

Granted I will stop "vandalizing", but could you please answer my original question truthfully.

Is it special perfume?

Just wondering how you manage to attract such a menagerie of, err, interesting characters. Friday (talk) 20:32, 22 October 2006 (UTC)

Well I hope I haven't given you too much trouble, and maybe all you need in this world is a bit of imagination? I'm sure you'd tell me to "imagine" a Playmate coming from Mayfield Secondary School, but I will ask for proof.

Slow

I asked that before you actually answered it. You're just a little slow.

Another disruptive vio

Please note this all-too-willing violation ("decision was fucking stupid"). [1] -- User:RyanFreisling @ 20:58, 22 October 2006 (UTC)

Mongo

Zoe, please don't threaten to block me. I'm sorry Mongo has had a hard time of things, but that's no excuse for him to be rude to me-- I'm not the one who did that to him, I haven't done anything to him, and no-- I won't contact him again. --Alecmconroy 20:59, 22 October 2006 (UTC)

Cleanup tags

Just a reminder not to use subst: with the wikify and cleanup tags; this creates problems for automatic processing bots later. Thanks! -- Beland 22:52, 22 October 2006 (UTC)

Guerilla News Network

Hey there; relatively sane editor here (just to give you a breath of fresh air, from the looks of it!). I noticed you dropped in on this page and did a bit of work on a section that's been somewhat controversial, and was wondering if you would mind taking a bit deeper look at it. I dropped in from someplace else (I forget how, exactly, but saw a mention of a bit of a revert war and checked it out), and it seems there's a couple of registered editors there having a slow edit war with an anon who keeps removing the section you asked to be wikified. My concern with it is that it's sourced from a forum post; I brought that up with the editors, who provided two more sources, one of which looks like it might be marginally okay but which still only had a reprint of the forum post. It would be good to have someone with more experience take a look over it and see what can be done to sort that out. Much appreciated! Tony Fox (arf!) 02:34, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

Heh, I don't think it's a hornet's nest or anything; it's fairly quiet, with just a couple of participants and a small peanut gallery (me, mostly). The second opinion's much appreciated. Tony Fox (arf!) 16:18, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

Brandt's Tool

Actually, it turns out that Brandt's Anti-Plagiarism Tool is very useful! We've been busily removing all the improper information he has so graciously found for us (after confirming that it is in fact improper, of course), and it's improving the database considerably. DS 03:49, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

re: CSD policy & precedent

Good evening, Zoe. I'm afraid I was away from Wikipedia for a few days and didn't see your question in the DRV discussion until just before the discussion was closed out. I'm copying that part of the discussion here in case you didn't have a chance to get back to that discussion before it was closed and blanked. Thanks. Rossami (talk) 04:36, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

• • • Comment: Under the rules established when WP:CSD was approved as a deletion process, any speedy-deletion contested in good-faith is to be restored and immediately listed to AFD (or more properly, XfD). That rule was made explicit for PRODs because PROD is not subject to the deliberately narrow criteria definitions - but it has always been true for speedy-deletions.
      The judgment call has always been whether or not the challenge was made in good-faith. Requests by the author for undeletion of an autobiographical article are rightly viewed with some skepticism. So while Jeff is incorrect that "It's a contested speedy" is automatically sufficient, Sam and Zoe are also expressing restrictions on the speedy deletion process which are not supported by our established rules and precedent. Rossami (talk) 21:33, 20 October 2006 (UTC)
      • Please point to the documentation for your contention. User:Zoe|(talk) 21:59, 20 October 2006 (UTC)
        • Certainly. The speedy-deletion process was proposed in January 2004 late-fall 2003 and approved that in late-winter/early-spring 2004. Please look at the project's extensive Talk page archives from around that time. In particular, look at the archives for Wikipedia:Votes for deletion (since this process started as a spin-off from that process) and for Wikipedia:Deletion policy. Rossami (talk) 14:25, 22 October 2006 (UTC)

Your follow-up question is answered on my Talk page. Please let me know if I can help with anything else. Rossami (talk) 07:27, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

Thank You

I just wanted to stop by and give a sincere thank you for all your efforts on my behalf and for Wikipedia in general. When the going gets rough for you, never hesitate to ask me and I'll be more than pleased to help you out.--MONGO 04:50, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

Although I'm not a target or victim in this case, and therefore probably shouldn't thank you, I have seen how supportive you've been, and I do appreciate this. Cheers. AnnH ♫ 16:15, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

What is this about?

Let's keep our dirty laundry off the DRV page for once: what are you referring to, here? I do have a right to be a little frustrated with this, right? --badlydrawnjeff talk 16:49, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

It's extremely hard to continue to assume good faith when every single one of the discussion contributions I see from you are "Keep", regardless of the merits of the arguments against such behavior. User:Zoe|(talk) 16:50, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

Against what behavior? Am I not allowed to have opinions contrary to some within the community? Do I make a habit of incredibly poor AfD votes when it comes to what the policies and guidelines say? I don't really think I've earned that sort of contempt from you, I don't really understand it. Yes, we disagree on deletion issues - so what? Are we not reasonable people? --badlydrawnjeff talk 16:53, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

We got off on the wrong foot, and the bad blood has continued. I hereby pledge to at least try to be less snarky with you. User:Zoe|(talk) 16:58, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

I appreciate that, and you've got the same pledge from me, too. Good luck with everything. --badlydrawnjeff talk 17:36, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

Kelly Sweet

Why did you delete this? It was a fairly pathetic stub, sure, but it could have been expanded. It'd previously been full of hagiographic advert-like language so I stubbed it down to almost nothing. Friday (talk) 18:50, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

I happened to run across this on Friday's page as I was leaving him a comment/request. I also read your User page, which advocates not going nuts on deletes, etc. With all due respect, why not spend time recreating an article (as I did in this case, to show how relatively easily it could be done) and doing the research/writing necessary to improve content rather than just removing it? Tvccs 13:01, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

Good idea.

Too many Internet weirdos. If the kid is foolish enough to post such detailed personal info, I guess it's up to us to protect him. Good call. - Lucky 6.9 22:26, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

Opinion

I asked about Michael / Mike Garcia because of Wissahickon Creek (talk · contribs). On his 5th edit, just 20 mins into our enjoying his company, he starts making deep proposals for RfA reform. The owner of the account is clearly not new. His user page says "I am Michael". So I'm wondering... -Splash - tk 23:20, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

No, I'm not. --Wissahickon Creek ^talk 12:22, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

Photonicist

Hello Zoe,

The name Photonicist is an increasingly used term in the field of photonics used to describe its practitioners. I consider my self to be one having been trained in physics and optics for many years and am presently engaged in research in the field. I filed this article given that we are in the process of taking our work to schools as part of an outreach program and we refer to ourselves as photonicists. The word will, in time, come to describe workers in an equivalent way to how scientist does. I know nothing of this google person you speak of.

I hope you'll reconsider this deletion and allow people to discover the correct meaning of the word.

Dr Graham Marshall M.Phys. D.Phil.

Sam Cave's entry

Zoe -

I understand that you are responsible for deleting the entry for Sam Cave, which is my name and entity. Your reasoning was along the lines of 'musician with no claims of notability'. I disagree. My old band The Explosion has their own entry, and I wrote all of the material for this band and others. In addition, I have performed on national television and had records released by various 'notable' record labels including Jade Tree and Virgin Records, a huge corporation. My publishing was purchased by EMI and if you Google 'The Explosion', there is a bevy of information about the band and about me personally.

I urge you to re-consider my Wikipedia entry, and if a re-write is necessary, so be it.

 Thanks

  -Sam

Actually THREE admins deleted the article on that same day. There was little coherent in the article which actually made it an encyclopedia article, and nothing to indicate that the things you say above which qualify for notability was actually in the article. If you want to recreate it and include the above in it, then I won't re-delete it. User:Zoe|(talk) 23:43, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

Opinion on series of articles

Do all of these strike you as overkill, or is it just me? --Calton | Talk 01:38, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

Speedy delete the lot.

Except that 1) I'm not an admin, and can delete bupkis, and 2) have no idea what speedy tag/criteria applies. I'll tag 'em, but I'll need to know how. --Calton | Talk 01:58, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

Your message to Amrykid

Hi, Zoe.

I recently was asked a question by Amrykid (now User:Amkid). I went to his user talk page and looked at the comments left since I last spoke with him (I've been trying to "guide" him for a few months). I saw your message, stating in part

OK, Branches of the YMCA. The title of the article makes this :crystal clear, doesn't it? Not.

The emphasis is mine.

I feel that this was a somewhat rude thing to say to someone who does not know very much about the way things are done. He was trying to follow my and Steel's orders to contribute to the encyclopedia, and this was the first feedback he received. He has since stated his intent to leave the project. I feel that no one is to blame, and I'm not blaming you at all, but I certainly think that your sarcastic tone was unnecessary. If I don't miss my guess, I estimate that he is a middle school student, so he's probably not as good as some of us at naming things. Anyhow, I just wanted to let you know that I'd like to see admins (I believe you're an admin; feel free to correct me) acting with much more civility towards users, especially those who are unaware of policy and well-intentioned.

Again, I'm certainly not blaming you for anything. I'm just letting you know that your tone came across as very sarcastic and biting.

Have a good day! Srose (talk) 22:52, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

The exact quotation, copy and pasted, with emphasis, is, again:

OK, Branches of the YMCA. The title of the article makes this crystal clear, doesn't it? Not. If you were to create List of Branches of the YMCA in Milwaukee, Wisconsin, it would probably get deleted because every sigle YMCA is not notable. Please see WP:NOT. User:Zoe|(talk) 19:48, 14 October 2006 (UTC)

Especially in the middle school years, saying something like, for example, "Those shoes are nice. Not." is an insult. It's sarcastic. Your tone, even to me far removed from the junior high years, came across as very sarcastic. My advice is that next time, you say something like "The title of this article does not make that very clear". The use of the rhetorical question and the sudden "Not" is highly sarcastic, at least in my view and the views of those I have consulted, none of whom even edit on Wikipedia. I'm just telling you this for your own reference - I believe Amkid was really trying to make a solid contribution to the encyclopedia, as Steel and I asked him to. Srose (talk) 02:01, 28 October 2006 (UTC)

That was the most incivil response I've gotten from a non-vandal, hands down.

To proceed constructively, I have been in constant contact with this user for quite a while. I know his track record. If you were to look at his talk page, Alex and I have been working with him extensively, trying to explain things to him. However, neither of us got as short in temper as you have. Additionally, I did review his comments to you. They were perfectly civil. He is new. He was trying to contribute to the encyclopedia. He could have been taught in a much kinder way. I don't see any rudeness to you from him anywhere. Yes, it takes time to explain things. But if you don't feel like doing it, you can hand it off to me or Alex. We have quite a bit of experience with him.

I am not asking you to "grovel". I am merely telling you how your statement comes off. It is, I should think, constructive criticism, not an attack on your character or a rabid defense of Amkid. Srose (talk) 02:14, 28 October 2006 (UTC)

your fast

Do you have a pager for wikipedia updates? Tell me about yourself. I'm guessing your either an opera singer or a professional student.

New Article

Hi Zoe,

I was wondering whether a proposed article would be suitable for Wikipedia. The article would be: Cairn O'Mhor wine/Winery. It is quite notable in Scotland as I believe it is the only Scottish brand of wine.

I happen to know someone who live near the winery, and it warrants a tourist notice on the main road and is mentioned in quite a few tourist brochures. My real interest is that I love the quote on the Banana and Fig wine: "Made from the finest Scottish bananas".

I had a quick look on the internet and it had something like 530 entries so I think there is enough background to produce a good article.

Is there some place to propose an article like this and see whether it is likely to be acceptable before putting in the work?

(PS. I'm writing to you as you were the last person to post on the AfD log)

PPS. When I wrote this, I assumed you were an editor .... if you're new please ignore my post!

--Mike 22:16, 28 October 2006 (UTC)

Hi Zoe, thanks for speedy reply ... I take it from what you say there isn't a process to review an article before writing, except perhaps writing the basic information then proposing it for AfD?

PS. If you are far from new .... can you test a replacement template for AfD which I made called AfDU (intended to replace AfD and dramatically reduce the junk newusers are faced with when they have an AfD put on their article?

For an example of what it does seeUser:Haseler/Test1 (It works by calling? AfDM!)

PPS. If you are really enthusiastic you can test template NA (new article)! --Mike 22:25, 28 October 2006 (UTC)

AfD

Zoe,

Why a new AfD? Let me explain. A month ago as a newcomer, I had an AfD notice posted on my article in the middle of an edit (then almost immediately five calls for delete Lords Reform) . It took me five minutes to work out what had happened on the edit page because my article seemed to have disappeared and a huge load of gobbledegook filled the screen.

Except for a minor change with the wording (which could be changed back!), AfDU should behave exactly the same as the template AfD. The only real difference is the removal of almost all the gobbledegook. Which might reduce the heat from those who get an AfD notice!

I've pulled my own comments about the AfD from another post (now deleted) and this link goes to the point where I explain it: User:Haseler/AfD#New_Template

--Mike 22:45, 28 October 2006 (UTC)

Zoe, Instruction creep - I don't understand? Perhaps you are referring to the small rewording - forget that! I've purely and simply removed the junk a new user gets as their "welcome" to wikipedia.

However, I withdrew the article User:Haseler/AfD#New_Template because I've met organisations like Wikipedia before and not even being at the first stage of recognising the problem, let alone starting to look for a solution, it clearly isn't worth trying to offer solutions right now! Even a full time consultant working directly with senior management would spend months trying to get buy-in to such a change - I've no chance working from the side lines with no inside knowledge!

Thanks for your help. I'll leave it there! --Mike 23:29, 28 October 2006 (UTC)

Regarding "The S&M Man"

I was just in the process of putting up a speedy request when you zapped it. Thanks. :) Justin Eiler 22:38, 28 October 2006 (UTC)

do u seriously think someone copyrighted THAT?

I'm not quite sure what eating is, but currently I'm editing the article so you'll need to give me at least 20 minutes in order to reformat the information. Carnegiehill 22:56, 28 October 2006 (UTC)

Article

You'll have to give me at least 20 minutes in order to reformat the information. I literally just wrote this article and it takes a few times for me to edit it. Additionally, this last paragraph is taken verbatim from Balderston's notes on Thraliana.

Oh yeah, that's not an issue. I'm new and I know that Wikipedia has a developed slang such as "trolling" - terms that I'm not really familiar with lately. Question for you: if I source that last paragraph to the website may I keep it the same or is that unacceptable?

Right, I'm done.

I think I've appropriately listed my sources so I'm removing the lack of sources tag as of now. If that's an issue, just send me a quick message and I'll put it back on. Do tell me what you think as this really is my first effort and I unfortunately lack any knowledge of how wikipedia works in detail.

Regards. Carnegiehill 23:18, 28 October 2006 (UTC)

Right, I've taken care of that bit and re-written it. Touched it up so to speak. I hope it meets the wikipedia standards as of now. Carnegiehill 23:21, 28 October 2006 (UTC)

Stop

Stop bloking me.

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(Takeshi-san 23:36, 28 October 2006 (UTC))

WP:3RR

...understood!!! --WIKISCRIPPS 07 SAT OCT 28 2006 8:16 PM EDT

Hm, yeah I got that. Sorry, I left you several messages without dating time or place. Carnegiehill 00:16, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

Hacking Democracy / Andy Stepehenson

You wrote:

The claim that the documentary "prominently features" him was addressed on the DRV and rejected as there is no evidence of such a fact. His name is mentioned in articles about the documentary, but only in passing, and since the person defending the article has apparently not seen the documentary, it's not only OR, but crystal ballism, as well. User:Zoe|(talk) 01:36, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

It might be crystal ballism and OR right now, but I know it for a fact. He's prominently featured in the part on Volusia County. His picture is even on the HBO page about the documentary. photo The doubters will find out in a few days. Sincere apologies will be graciously accepted. Fairness And Accuracy For All 06:42, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

==standing in the rain==

My article may not have been perfect, but it was correct, I was in the process of finding the interview online, it disappeared. I don't see why there cannot be an article related to this song. I'm gonna go ahead and restore it. TotallyTempo 15:40, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

what would be the difference between deleting it and just having it the way it is now, or at least the way I assume you left it with the redirect. There are lots of songs on wikipedia that aren't singles. I don't think my article was great but it's not toally irrelevant such as some stuff I came across the other day (a blog on here) it is by notable people, a well known band, I also think that the song had a farily high chart rating, though I'm not sure how high it got, the song did recieve a significant amount of radio play, I fail to see the problem here. TotallyTempo 02:58, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

AFD?

Article for deletion? is that what that means, because I don't mind if you nominate it for deletion.

No Shave November

The article got deleted the first time because it was a joke, but the AFD was showing signs that a legitimate article on the topic would be acceptable. I don't think it's appropriate to WP:SALT the earth. Night Gyr (talk/Oy) 05:17, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

Re: Image:4kids- anti-japaneze.JPG

There isn't really a one-size-fits all deletion message, but to cut a long story short, the image has been deleted probably at least a dozen times after User:Zeldatime got very, very angry at the removal of fair-use galleries from their userpage. They kept replacing the images despite warnings, and after a short block for trolling, a huge number of sockpuppets have started appearing, alternately re-uploading the images or trolling. All in all, I'm at a bit of a loss as to what I should do about the whole thing, or if I should even really be doing anything. Any advice? Luna Santin 05:43, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

{{deleted}}

Well, we don't want to subst: them so we could fish them out after the threat passed, preventing mainspace pollution. We can't make the tag 100 characters long, either. So I am not sure how to achieve this... Ideas? - crz crztalk 20:58, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

I suppose you are refering to the elaborated Easton Sports description. How is this different than an article of a corporation? Thanks for the help, i just started contributing.

-a3g

About My Petition

Well we also can't remove the images all together... We have to work something, I'm only raising awareness!!! You understand -- don't you??? --WIKISCRIPPS 07 TUE OCT 31 2006 11:45 PM EST

Well let me ask you this... How is anybody expecting to see a visual history of a broadcast entity if the rules here are so strict??? It is only fair for the benefit of these who are broadcast television nostalgic (or fanatics of old television logos)!!! --WIKISCRIPPS 07 WED NOV 1 2006 12:52 AM EST

What about other places like LiveDigital, YouTube, MySpace, MSN Groups and Yahoo! Groups??? Pictures, sound bites and videos are uploaded there everyday!!! What are you doing??? --WIKISCRIPPS 07 WED NOV 1 2006 10:06 PM EST

board reorganisation

I would not have expected a comment from you... I am very honored... thanks Anthere