User talk:Tjelsund

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November 2012

Your recent editing history at S. E. Cupp shows that you are currently engaged in an edit war. Being involved in an edit war can result in your being blocked from editing—especially if you violate the three-revert rule, which states that an editor must not perform more than three reverts on a single page within a 24-hour period. Undoing another editor's work—whether in whole or in part, whether involving the same or different material each time—counts as a revert. Also keep in mind that while violating the three-revert rule often leads to a block, you can still be blocked for edit warring—even if you don't violate the three-revert rule—should your behavior indicate that you intend to continue reverting repeatedly.

To avoid being blocked, instead of reverting please consider using the article's talk page to work toward making a version that represents consensus among editors. See BRD for how this is done. You can post a request for help at a relevant noticeboard or seek dispute resolution. In some cases, you may wish to request temporary page protection. Kelly ^hi! 21:59, 16 November 2012 (UTC)

Notice of Edit warring noticeboard discussion

Hello. This message is being sent to inform you that there is currently a discussion involving you at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Edit warring regarding a possible violation of Wikipedia's policy on edit warring. Thank you. Qwyrxian (talk) 06:51, 17 November 2012 (UTC)

you wrote: "Yes, of course it's affluent. But that isn't relevant to Cupp's bio"

two questions: why then have i seen on numerous wikipedia bios descriptions similar to "affluent" to describe cities, towns, or places of birth and no one is continuously removing those adjectives?

why exactly is it not relevant to her bio, please elaborate. i'm somewhat new to wikipedia for the record. get back to me, thanks. Tjelsund (talk) 06:56, 17 November 2012 (UTC)

Cupp Edit

a third question i'd like an answer to is what exactly is "POV pushing" and who gets to decide what "POV pushing" is? the user arzel clearly is a conservative based on his edits so who's to say he's not being POV by removing that edit? why am i labeled as POV for adding an accurate description of a geographic area? for now i will leave the article as is but there is no reason IMO it should be removed. please answer these 3 questions because i am very confused as to how wikipedia operates and can call itself "fair" and "NPOV". Tjelsund (talk) 07:11, 17 November 2012 (UTC)

It's POV because it's an unneeded adjective. As to why you see it in other articles, its because Wikipedia is a work in progress, that still needs a lot of improvement. There are reasons why it might be relevant to some articles, but in a random BLP? In order to show why that word doesn't belong, let me turn this around. You assert in several places that it is an "accurate description of a geographical area." I don't dispute this, nor, I think, would anyone familiar with Carlsbad. And I bet we could find reliable sources that verify it. But why do you think it's important to include this specific fact about Carlsbad in Cupp's bio? Why not "coastal"? Or "34 square miles in size"? Or "Carlsbad, location of the world's first skateboard park"? The point is that the choice of adjectives is arbitrary. Noting that it's close to San Diego isn't arbitrary, because it helps give someone who doesn't have intimate knowledge of Southern California geography a better understanding of where it is. But how does mentioning the average income level of residents help us know anything more about Cupp, especially since Carlsbad is not uniformly high income? I certainly would not object if we had a sentence that said something like "Person X grew up in an affluent home, with both of her parents being corporate lawyers" (assuming that were sourceable). Or let me point out other facts in her bio: would it be appropriate to add "Ivy-league college 'Cornell University'"? Or "She currently lives in New York City, the city with the lowest crime rate among the top 25 US cities"? THe point is that by adding unnecessary modifiers to the city she grew up in, you (or someone) is trying to imply something that may or may not be true about Cupp herself. That's what we have to avoid. Qwyrxian (talk) 08:35, 17 November 2012 (UTC)

You have been blocked from editing for a short time for your disruption caused by edit warring and violation of the three-revert rule. During a dispute, you should first try to discuss controversial changes and seek consensus. If that proves unsuccessful you are encouraged to seek dispute resolution, and in some cases it may be appropriate to request page protection. If you would like to be unblocked, you may appeal this block by adding the text {{unblock|reason=Your reason here ~~~~}} below this notice, but you should read the guide to appealing blocks first.

Kuru (talk) 16:59, 17 November 2012 (UTC)