User talk:The Anome/archive11

Railway stations in Australia

Many pages which use {{Infobox Victorian Closed Railway Station}} (and {{MelbourneClosedRailwayStation}}, which redirects to that) have a MAP= or MELWAY= parameter whose URL includes coordinates. I've added a coordinates= parameter to the 'Victorian' template, so you might like to do a bot run and convert hard-coded map links to {{coord}} templates inside the infobox, with |display=inline,title set. At the same time, please could you change instances of the latter station template to the former, setting the VICORMELB parameter to "Melbourne"; and perhaps apply {{Start date}}. Here is an example; note that the precision of the coordinates has been trimmed. Thank you. Similarly pages using:

• {{MelbourneRailwayStation1}}, which is a redirect to {{Infobox Melbourne Railway Station}} and which has MAPLINK and COOR parameters (example edit).
• {{VictorianTouristRailwayStation}}, (redirects to {{Infobox Victorian Tourist Railway Station}}; example edit).
• {{VlineRailwayStation1}}, (redirects to {{Infobox Vline Railway Station}}; example edit).
• {{Sydneyclosedstation}}, (redirects to {{Infobox Sydney closed station}}; example edit; note different data format in original ).

Andy Mabbett (User:Pigsonthewing); Andy's talk; Andy's edits 14:45, 13 December 2008 (UTC)

Region codes in Coord missing

May I draw you attention to Template talk:Coord missing#Region codes - not that I underestimate the good work done via that template, so far. Andy Mabbett (User:Pigsonthewing); Andy's talk; Andy's edits 14:04, 14 December 2008 (UTC)

List of settlements in Attica

List of settlements in Attica includes places which lack both coordinates and {{coord missing}}. Andy Mabbett (User:Pigsonthewing); Andy's talk; Andy's edits 15:10, 14 December 2008 (UTC)

"Comprised"

"To comprise" means "to consist of", so there's no need to keep the "of": see http://www.askoxford.com/concise_oed/comprise -- The Anome (talk) 14:40, 15 December 2008 (UTC)

You are absolutely correct! I missed that. --A Knight Who Says Ni (talk) 14:56, 15 December 2008 (UTC)

UAA

A notice on this: being 'confusing' is no longer grounds for blocking. Have a nice day! :) — neuro^(talk) 02:50, 16 December 2008 (UTC)

So presumably we can expect Wikipedia to silt up with indefinite numbers of confusably-named accounts called things like User:Zsdgsxnvsegjscvslkjdg, User:Zsdgsxnvzegjscvslkjdg, User:Zsdgsxnvzegjccvslkjdg, User:Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa, User:Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa, User:Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa, and so on. Could you really tell at a glance the difference between User:Rooooooooooot and User:Roooooooooooot? -- The Anome (talk) 06:00, 16 December 2008 (UTC)

Don't shoot the messenger. That last example is an example of a misleading username, which is blockable. — neuro^(talk) 08:07, 16 December 2008 (UTC)

I was tired the morning, in fact all, whilst being confusing, are blockable only because they are hard to distinguish. — neuro^(talk) 17:20, 16 December 2008 (UTC)

Bot to create articles on missing settlements and places in India

Hi Anome. There is a recent proposal to create thousands of new articles with or without coordinates. I wondered if you could shed any light on whether it would be easy to follow up with coordinates. See This as I think it would heavily involve you eventually The Bald One ^{White cat} 16:56, 16 December 2008 (UTC)

OK great go ahead and run them! I'm a little occupied with the Michael Crichton article at present. Best of luck! The Bald One ^{White cat} 22:38, 17 December 2008 (UTC)

Ingestre railway station

Your most recent bot run marked the station as done (it's in the W section, for various reasons), but it has not been tagged. (It was tagged a few nights ago, but based on the wrong input grid refs. I removed the geotag from the station article and added it back into the Nov_2008 list, albeit indexed under W. Yours. --Tagishsimon (talk) 02:34, 18 December 2008 (UTC)

Thanks. The station-done-marker bot code currently just checks the log of the article-marker bot, and doesn't re-scan any articles to see if they've changed. I've manually edited the logfile to remove both this and Weston and Ingestre stations from the list of visited stations, to prevent this special case from recurring next time. -- The Anome (talk) 02:40, 18 December 2008 (UTC)

Thanks. I've re-added Ingestre & grid refs to the Nov_2008 page. Most of the remaining stations are city centre - difficult to tell one from the next. I anticipate addition of new coords will slow or stop. --Tagishsimon (talk) 02:44, 18 December 2008 (UTC)

Nice work but I take it you can't get the bot to add it to the infobox display which is what I thought you were going to do like Kangel. I;ve now got 3900 articles to add them to manually! The Bald One ^{White cat} 10:20, 18 December 2008 (UTC)

OK Nepal has been started. I would greatly appreciate it though if you could find a way of adding to the infoboxes and adding "Nepal" as in the Kangel example. The Bald One ^{White cat} 19:57, 18 December 2008 (UTC)

It'll need a bit of extra programming; I'll put it on the list. The devil is in the details with such code, and I want to get the data set complete before I do anything else, so I can check out the complete set of articles to be manipulated before actually starting the template merging.

Just for now, I want to get the information into the articles; matching the right place to the right coordinates is surprisingly hard; multiple things have the same name, some things have more than one name, transliterations and spellings vary, different kinds of co-located entity sometimes share a name...

As a result, most of the complexity in the main bot is actually in the back-end that generates the coordinate/name matches. -- The Anome (talk) 23:13, 18 December 2008 (UTC)

If you look at here. The districts are shown green. CLick the district you want and then it will list them. Thanks for your help The Bald One ^{White cat} 10:00, 21 December 2008 (UTC)

oops

Sorry about the stray notice, I came over to remove it, but you had already done so. Beeblebrox (talk) 06:48, 22 December 2008 (UTC)

Thanks! -- The Anome (talk) 06:50, 22 December 2008 (UTC)

Ingestre & Tixall, Staffs

Thanks for your note, your recent edits to these hamlets look perfectly fine to me! I have some nice pics of Ingestre which I intend to add at some point. cheers Peter morrell 08:04, 23 December 2008 (UTC)

Deprecated template:Coor dms lingers

When you;ve a minute, please will you run your conversion both rough Pages that link to "Template:Coor dms" and change them to using {{coord}}? Cheers, Andy Mabbett (User:Pigsonthewing); Andy's talk; Andy's edits 16:22, 23 December 2008 (UTC)

I've just fixed 87 articles, and a couple of templates. There are probably a few other corner cases remaining, perhaps through template transclusion. -- The Anome (talk) 03:27, 24 December 2008 (UTC)

Thank you. I'll chase them up. We need to think about deleting or redirecting the deprecated templates; and doing something with the "lunar" uses of {{Coor d}}.. Andy Mabbett (User:Pigsonthewing); Andy's talk; Andy's edits 09:57, 24 December 2008 (UTC)

Placeopedia

Placeopedia have been gathering user-generated coordinates for Wikipedia articles. Their dataset is available. Andy Mabbett (User:Pigsonthewing); Andy's talk; Andy's edits 22:54, 23 December 2008 (UTC)

I'll take a look. -- The Anome (talk) 03:27, 24 December 2008 (UTC)

Hmm. There's quite a lot of mojibake in there: they need to pay more attention to character encoding in their XML dump. Most of the places in the XML file are already geocoded here. There are also dodgy coordinates like their entry for House, at 31.63478°N 8.24301°W / 31.63478; -8.24301, which is firstly not pointing at a reasonably-geocodable article, and secondly, seems to be somwhere outside Marrakech...

However, a quick random sample of 11 coordinates that are new to Wikipedia all seem OK to me. -- The Anome (talk) 13:34, 24 December 2008 (UTC)

Update: after a test run of 1164 placeopedia-coded articles, I have found that roughly 5% of those articles are about topics which should not have been geocoded under the English-language Wikipedia's conventions. I've fixed them all now, but that's an annoyingly high level of false positives. -- The Anome (talk) 00:53, 25 December 2008 (UTC)

Update: See the main geodata WikiProject talk page for more on this. -- The Anome (talk) 02:14, 25 December 2008 (UTC)

Merry Christmas!

		Merry Christmas!
		The Anome, here's hoping you're having a wonderful Christmas, and here's also hoping that all your family and friends are well. Lets all hope that the year coming will be a good one! If we've had disputes in the past, I hold no grudges, especially at such a time as this. If you don't know I am, I apologise, feel free to remove this from your page. Come and say hi, I won't bite, I swear! It could even be good for me, you know - I'm feeling a little down at the moment with all of these snowmen giving me the cold shoulder :( — neur ho ho ho(talk) 00:13, 25 December 2008 (UTC)

Merry Christmas

A Nobody^{My talk} is wishing you a Merry Christmas! This greeting (and season) promotes WikiLove and hopefully this note has made your day a little better. Spread the WikiLove by wishing another user a Merry Christmas, whether it be someone you have had disagreements with in the past, a good friend, or just some random person. Don't eat yellow snow!

Spread the holiday cheer by adding {{subst:User:Flaming/MC2008}} to their talk page with a friendly message.

--A Nobody^{My talk} 03:11, 25 December 2008 (UTC)

Wishing you the very best for the season. Guettarda (talk) 01:27, 27 December 2008 (UTC)

Scaling

Greetings. I notice that when the bot adds coordinates the default scaling is 1:300000. This may make sense when the subject is a whole town or a region, but makes no sense for a building, a bridge, or a city square. It is like viewing from way out in space; several steps of zooming in are needed before anything of interest becomes visible. When your bot applies coordinates to an article I monitor, in most cases I have been adjusting the scaling by adding "type:landmark", which gives 1:10000 scaling. This displays a much more reasonable amount of detail, with sufficient context. I can only catch up with a few, while I know you are putting an awkward scaling in thousands of articles. Can you make the bot more discriminating? If only "one size fits all" is possible, though, then let me suggest something intermediate, perhaps 1:50000. Thank you. Hertz1888 (talk) 06:56, 27 December 2008 (UTC)

Thanks. You're right, it's sub-optimal. I'll put fixing it on my list of things to do; I should be able to make the changes retroactively in most cases. -- The Anome (talk) 08:06, 27 December 2008 (UTC)

Great news! That should make a real difference to countless users. Thanks for the quick reply too. Hertz1888 (talk) 08:24, 27 December 2008 (UTC)

Deutsche Telekom user

Thanks. By the way, as you can see from his thread reply, he has answered to my warnings against him by making grossly inaccurate statements against me. You can check the edits yourself; I can provide you case-by-case evidence. What should be done now? Feketekave (talk) 19:37, 27 December 2008 (UTC)

Here are the latest additions to the noticeboard:

Throwing stones in the glashouse. Feketekave called it "racialist" to add a category "French people of German descent" 19 for someone, who was born in Berlin as a German citizen and reverted even sourced content 20 by calling it a "Nazi fake"21. His last addition to Ilya Ehrenburg was a "translation" from German WP, but instead of naming the head of the soviet Secret Police (Viktor Semyonovich Abakumov), he described him as "frontline soldier", which is an euphemism, to say the least. P.S. I don't use shifting IP's in bad faith, it works like that, I don't know why. I don't contribute a lot to the English WP, that's why I use IP's. I can't see any "aggressive comments" yet, it wasn't my intention. 84.139.209.53 (talk) 11:30, 27 December 2008 (UTC) About every single remark made by the anonymous user above is inexact. (On the issue of Ehrenburg, they are outright lies against me.) Mind you, his overall line is quite outside of the mainstream in the German wikipedia. Would he care to state the username he uses in de.wikipedia.org, if he is indeed a regular contributor there? Feketekave (talk) 19:34, 27 December 2008 (UTC)

PS. From wikipedia.de: "Im letzten Kriegsjahr erhielt Ehrenburg kritische Briefe von Frontsoldaten, die ihm vorhielten, er habe sich gewandelt und trete nun plötzlich für Mildtätigkeit gegenüber den Deutschen ein." - This means "In the last year of the war, Ehrenburg received critical letters from front soldiers, stating, that he had changed and now suddently stood for softness towards Germans." Grothendieck, as the son of a Russian father (later killed at Auschwitz) is unlikely to have been granted German citizenship automatically at birth; German citizenship is based on descent, not place of birth (jus sanguinis). And so on, and so on. Feketekave (talk) 19:45, 27 December 2008 (UTC)

He wrote the above after having received two warnings from me, mind you. (I suppose he may not have read them, given his use of changing IPs; can that be said to be his responsibility?) What should be done about this? How can his identity be ascertained further? Feketekave (talk) 19:48, 27 December 2008 (UTC)

Far from acknowledging the warning, the IP user is now making false statements about his and my edits on the Administrator's noticeboard. His statements were out-and-out false; you can see the discussion on the noticeboard.

Exactly what should be done in such a situation? Feketekave (talk) 23:31, 28 December 2008 (UTC)

List of United Kingdom locations still using coor d

Many of the sub-pages of List of United Kingdom locations use {{coor d}}. I thought these had already been changed to {{Coord}}; but apparently not. I've raised a BOTREQ, but with no response so far. Could I trouble you to fix them, please? Andy Mabbett (User:Pigsonthewing); Andy's talk; Andy's edits 12:47, 29 December 2008 (UTC)

Similarly, there are a niggling number of instances of coor d, instances of coor dm and instances of coor dms in 'Portal' space, which are tedious to track down manually due to template nesting. Could your bot convert them, please? Andy Mabbett (User:Pigsonthewing); Andy's talk; Andy's edits 13:13, 3 January 2009 (UTC)

Love your work!

and your Bot - damn useful creature. Thought you might like to know one article was mis-tagged (out of thousands). I wasn't going to mention it in case someone decided to use it as ammunition to whine about your bot. But here's the diff in case this helps with debugging. Btw I'm working on the "413 Cambodian articles missing geo data" in Category:Cambodia articles missing geocoordinate data. Now down to 399 (thanks to me and your wonderful bot!). I should have enough maps and local knowledge to find co-ordinates for them all - eventually. Damn that was a useful category to create - thanks very much. Happy New Year to a great Wikipedian who is putting us all on the map! Paxse (talk) 02:03, 31 December 2008 (UTC)

Happy New Year!

A cat to ease all of your troubles		Happy New Year!
		Hey there, The Anome! Happy new Gregorian year. All the best for the new year, both towards you and your family and friends too. I know that I am the only person lonely enough to be running this thing as the new year is ushered in, but meh, what are you going to do. I like to keep my templated messages in a satisfactorily melancholy tone. ;) Congratulations to Coren, Wizardman, Vassyana, Carcharoth, Jayvdb, Casliber, Risker, Roger Davies, Cool Hand Luke and Rlevse, who were all appointed to the Arbitration Committee after the ArbCom elections. I am sure I am but a voice of many when I say I trust the aforementioned users to improve the committee, each in their own way, as listed within their respective election statements. Now, if you'll excuse me, I'm off to update the 2009 article, heh. Best wishes, neuro(talk) 01:01, 1 January 2009 (UTC)

IP user identified

You may be interested in this[[1]]. Happy new year. Feketekave (talk) 16:23, 1 January 2009 (UTC)

User:92.8.130.184

Hi, we've identified where this user is getting his/her information; it's legit. Would you be able to unblock, per WT:FILM#Suspicious edits by User:92.8.130.184? Steve ^{T • C} 18:15, 4 January 2009 (UTC)

Bot source request

Please see this request. I do have the formulae but if someone has already written it in PHP ... — RHaworth (Talk | contribs) 01:48, 5 January 2009 (UTC)

 Done -- The Anome (talk) 21:49, 7 January 2009 (UTC)

Cheers mate!

Thanks for the nice note. AmanUwellCant (talk) 09:41, 5 January 2009 (UTC)

talkpage archive

Do you know how to set up talkpage archives? For people with slow connections or browsers designed to address a disability, it is difficult to load large pages. Might want to set up some archives, and an archivebot to keep up with it. If you aren't sure how, let me know and I can help. Avruch ^T 17:01, 7 January 2009 (UTC)

bot tagging coords missing

Hi. Your AnomeBot tagged Yagura as needing coordinates, when yagura is actually a general term referring to certain kinds of Japanese towers, etc, and not a specific place (and therefore does not have coordinates). I don't know what criteria you use to tell the bot which articles to tag and which not, but just thought I'd let you know. Thanks. LordAmeth (talk) 21:42, 7 January 2009 (UTC)

Thanks! The bot tries to select taggable articles -- and avoid selecting untaggable articles -- using an elaborate system of graph traversal of categories, whitelists, blacklists, and other bolt-on pattern-matching heuristics that have evolved over time. I'll add "words" and "phrases" to the category pattern blacklist, which should catch similar cases. -- The Anome (talk) 21:47, 7 January 2009 (UTC)

Your bot also tagged Interagency Volcanic Event Notification Plan as needing coordinates while it dosen't. Black Tusk (talk) 18:30, 21 March 2009 (UTC)

fyi

I'm very upset with wat you've just done!! Please pull back my Holidayroad8/Survivor2008 page and my Holidayroad92/RealityTV page b/c an administrator put it like that for my own personal use!!!!! No offense, but you have no right deleting it like that! If you don't pull that back up, I will contact the administor ASAP!!

Holidayroad92 (talk) 21:52, 7 January 2009 (UTC)

Please just pull this back up. I'm trying to do this in a civil manner, so I don't go any crazier. My page was never bothering anybody, and I had it up there for almost a year when the administrator put it there. Please try and pull it back up, and sorry for yelling at you before, but it's a page I've been working for awhile, and I just don't see why you did it? PLEASE!! I'm in tears right now thinking all about this, and that everything I was working on, just goes blank all of the sudden. I'm begging you to pull it back up, both the Holidayroad8/Survivor2008, and the Holidayroad92/RealityTV

Holidayroad92 (talk) 00:12, 8 January 2009 (UTC)

I will happily retrieve it for you, but you will need to put it on another wiki-based hosting service if you want to keep it for the long term. Please see WP:NOT for the rationale behind this. -- The Anome (talk) 17:32, 9 January 2009 (UTC)

Please see User:Holidayroad92/RealityTV. You will need to put it on another wiki-based hosting service as soon as possible if you want to keep it for the long term. (You might want to consider Wikia, which is friendly to many kinds of projects. See also Comparison of wiki farms.) Please let me know when you have made a copy, by editing this talk page. -- The Anome (talk) 18:37, 9 January 2009 (UTC)

I need my Holidayroad8/Survivor2008 page up on here as well. I've moved my other one to Wikia.

Holidayroad8 (talk) 00:23, 10 January 2009 (UTC)

I have now also temporarily restored User:Holidayroad8/Survivor 2008 so you can move its contents elsewhere. Please let me know when you have copied it. -- The Anome (talk) 11:37, 10 January 2009 (UTC)

It's now three days later. I've re-deleted both pages. -- The Anome (talk) 08:42, 14 January 2009 (UTC)

New articles about settlements, suitable for geotagging

Discussed at ANI (likely to be archived soon). Andy Mabbett (User:Pigsonthewing); Andy's talk; Andy's edits 22:01, 7 January 2009 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Dennis Danzik

I've commented on your nomination statement in this AFD. Please drop by and considering altering your statement.- Mgm|^(talk) 12:32, 8 January 2009 (UTC)

Direct calls to tool server

Might your bot be able to fix these direct GeoHack links as discussed at 'Direct calls to tool server'? Andy Mabbett (User:Pigsonthewing); Andy's talk; Andy's edits 17:13, 9 January 2009 (UTC)

Replacing, for example, Culham Road with what? 51°39′55.63″N 1°16′46.06″W doesn't give as nice a result. -- The Anome (talk) 17:19, 9 January 2009 (UTC)

Example. Andy Mabbett (User:Pigsonthewing); Andy's talk; Andy's edits 17:23, 9 January 2009 (UTC)

No problem. I'll get around to it in the next couple of days. -- The Anome (talk) 17:25, 9 January 2009 (UTC)

Thank you; doubly so for your prompt response. Andy Mabbett (User:Pigsonthewing); Andy's talk; Andy's edits 17:26, 9 January 2009 (UTC)

Can I suggest that you output the name of the ground rather than the team name for the link on external sites by use of the name= parameter and that the co-ordinates in the title area are inappropriate for sports teams. Keith D (talk) 17:59, 9 January 2009 (UTC)

Can you please agree among yourselves what you want to do? -- The Anome (talk) 18:26, 9 January 2009 (UTC)

Belated response: the name parameter is broken, so I don't suggest using it at all. If we don't use title display, the article will not be added to Google Earth/ Maps; and if we do, then it should refer to the article, which in this case will be the name of the team, not the ground. Andy Mabbett (User:Pigsonthewing); Andy's talk; Andy's edits 13:20, 17 January 2009 (UTC)

Settlements in the Achaea prefecture

A number of articles in List of settlements in the Achaea prefecture have hard-coded tables instead of Infobox Settlement templates, with separate rows for latitude & longitude; for example Mamoussia. Can you do anything with these? I also have a bot request to replace the tables with {{Infobox Settlement}}. Andy Mabbett (User:Pigsonthewing); Andy's talk; Andy's edits 13:22, 10 January 2009 (UTC)

Blocked your bot

Hey so I blocked your bot because it was adding seemingly random coordinates to highway articles. Please check with WP:USRD before adding coordinates to articles. --Rschen7754 (T C) 19:30, 12 January 2009 (UTC)

I'll remove the U.S. highway edits, if you like. You'll need to unblock the bot for me to do that. -- The Anome (talk) 21:12, 12 January 2009 (UTC)

AFD for Edward Owens (hoax)

Please consider withdrawing Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Edward Owens (hoax) and waiting 3 months to re-list it, as is custom for AFDs. This is a procedural request and not a request on the merits of keeping or deleting the article. Exceptions to the "3 month rule" are made when there was a procedural error with the previous AFD or when something changes significantly since the last AFD. The only major change since January 2 is the article is now shorter, which isn't enough to override custom. davidwr/(talk)/(contribs)/(e-mail) 19:33, 12 January 2009 (UTC)

Bot adding wrong region

Hi, the bot adding co-ordinate information to Battle of Ferrybridge in this edit has added a region code of JP instead of GB. Is there some problem with the data supplied to bot for this run? Keith D (talk) 13:21, 17 January 2009 (UTC)

The region data is taken directly from the source, which is (perhaps suprisingly for any article about the Wars of the Roses) the Japanese Wikipedia article ja:フェリブリッジの戦い. It looks like there are quite a lot of region errors in this data: I thought I'd caught most of them by hand, but I clearly wasn't thorough enough. I'll take another look.

In the longer run, I've got a cunning plan which will cross-correlate coordinate, article category, and region tags in a number of global sweeps through the database. The software's mostly finished, but it's a low priority at the moment. -- The Anome (talk) 19:14, 17 January 2009 (UTC)

Update: I've found a bunch of similar edits:

• Second_Battle_of_St_Albans {{coord|51|45|18|N|0|20|9.6|W|region:JP_source:jawiki|display=title}} written
• Battle_of_Edgecote_Moor {{coord|52|06|52|N|1|14|50|W|region:JP_source:jawiki|display=title}} written
• Battle_of_Losecoat_Field {{coord|52|41|10|N|0|32|10|W|region:JP_source:jawiki|display=title}} written
• First_Battle_of_St_Albans {{coord|51|45|18|N|0|20|9.6|W|region:JP_source:jawiki|display=title}} written
• Battle_of_Northampton_(1460) {{coord|52|14|12|N|0|53|36.8|W|region:JP_source:jawiki|display=title}} written
• Battle_of_Ludford_Bridge {{coord|52|21|49.5|N|2|43|8|W|region:JP_source:jawiki|display=title}} written
• Battle_of_Barnet {{coord|51|38|38|N|0|13|28|W|region:JP_source:jawiki|display=title}} written
• Battle_of_Ferrybridge {{coord|53|42|45|N|1|16|25|W|region:JP_source:jawiki|display=title}} written
• Battle_of_Blore_Heath {{coord|52|54|49|N|02|25|29|W|region:JP_source:jawiki|display=title}} written
• Battle_of_Lake_Khasan {{coord|42|26|09.26|N|130|36|39.62|E|source:jawiki|display=title}} written
• Battle_of_Hexham {{coord|54|58|12|N|2|6|0|W|region:JP_source:jawiki|display=title}} written
• Battle_of_Tewkesbury {{coord|51|59|11|N|2|9|41|W|region:JP_source:jawiki|display=title}} written
• Battle_of_Mortimer's_Cross {{coord|52|19|7|N|2|52|9|W|region:JP_source:jawiki|display=title}} written
• Battle_of_Wakefield {{coord|53|40|48.5|N|1|29|32|W|region:JP_source:jawiki|display=title}} written

I've now fixed these by hand. -- The Anome (talk) 19:24, 17 January 2009 (UTC)

Update: I've now eyeballed all the remaining articles in this run, and checked those which have non-Japanese-sounding names, fixing them where necessary. I hope that's got them all. -- The Anome (talk) 19:30, 17 January 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for looking into this. Keith D (talk) 20:10, 17 January 2009 (UTC)

Blocked username?

Hi The Anome, just wondering, was this an error? As far as I can tell from the block log, this user hasn't been blocked. Not that I would mind seeing him/her blocked (the user's only edit so far was vandalizing my talk page), but I'm just curious why {{usernamehardblocked}} got there. Politizer ^talk/_contribs 08:38, 19 January 2009 (UTC)

Oh, never mind, I just saw your latest post. Politizer ^talk/_contribs 08:41, 19 January 2009 (UTC)

Coordinates

Check Mali etc etc, I do! Didn't know you wanted parks as well, besides of which I haven't even referenced it yet. Coordinates are here Dr. Blofeld ^{White cat} 17:07, 26 January 2009 (UTC)

Yes please! Ideally, the goal is to eventually geocode everything that can reasonably be assigned a fixed position. Based on some recent random sampling of articles, we are making very good progress towards this goal, with the vast majority of candidates for geolocation either already having been gecoded, or marked with {{coord missing}} for later coding. -- The Anome (talk) 17:10, 26 January 2009 (UTC)

Cool, funnily enough though you wrongly tagged it anyway see the diff! Hopefully the quality of the atlas will improve too and we can see these places in detail. Dr. Blofeld ^{White cat} 17:38, 26 January 2009 (UTC)

At the moment, the biggest problem is that objects are specified by points, not by areas. Wikimapia does a much better job of handling this, by using a simple bounding box. Bounding boxes would make generating maps and map legends much easier. Still, better a point than nothing: Wikipedia is a work in progress, and point data is a good starting place for more detailed geodata. -- The Anome (talk) 17:42, 26 January 2009 (UTC)

Indeed. If you ever need to find coordinates for protected areas please see http://www.wdpa.org/MultiSelect.aspx thanks Dr. Blofeld ^{White cat} 22:30, 26 January 2009 (UTC)

Shame we can't get a wikimapia system on here with decent detail, i'm sure it will happen eventually and wwill make the coordinate progression so far even more worthy. Oh check Phnom Penh Railway Station, the Management university is located next to it -check wikimapia. You may want to add the coordinates to the NUM uni article as they are missng. Anyway created lots of buildings today -hope i've managed to coord missing tag a lot of them. Thanks Dr. Blofeld ^{White cat} 22:53, 30 January 2009 (UTC)

Hi!! Suggestion

Dear Anome: I wanted to let you know that every time you create a redirection like this one, you can add also the proper category, or let me know for me to do it. You can see how it is done in my new edition to the same article. Thanks! --Againme (talk) 16:12, 27 January 2009 (UTC)

The Anomebot2 error

I've reverted the bot here. I don't know if any more fixes need to be made. --Eóin (talk) 23:17, 6 February 2009 (UTC)

I see how it happened; the bot saw only a single link to an external map, in an article apparently about a building-related topic that hadn't any other marks of having been georeferenced in any other way, and added a geocoding template to it. Both, it turns out, were false positives -- the location given wasn't the only map link, and the article was about a type of feature instead of a particular feature -- and it took both errors happening in the same article to cause this result. Hopefully, this is rare enough to be a one-off. If you see any similar errors, please let me know, and I'll try to craft a fix. -- The Anome (talk) 00:15, 7 February 2009 (UTC)

Category:Uzbekistani supercentenarians

I notice that this category is unpopulated (empty). In other words, no Wikipedia pages belong to (are members of) it. If it remains unpopulated for four days, it may be deleted, without discussion, in accordance with Wikipedia:Criteria for speedy deletion#C1. I'm notifying you, the creator of the category, in case you wish to (re-)populate it by adding [[Category:Uzbekistani supercentenarians]] to articles/categories that belong in it.

I have also blanked the category page. This will not, in itself, cause the category to be deleted. It serves to document (in the page history) that the category was empty at the time of blanking and also to alert other watchers that the category is in jeopardy. You are welcome to revert the blanking if you wish. However, doing so will not prevent deletion if the category remains empty.

If you created the category in error, or it is no longer needed, you can speed up the deletion process by tagging it with {{db-author}}.

--Stepheng3 (talk) 20:27, 10 February 2009 (UTC)

Category:Wales articles missing geocoordinate data

What's the basis of the division of Wales into the sbcategories of the above? It doesn't seem to match any of:

• Preserved counties of Wales
• Historic counties of Wales
• History of local government in Wales
• Local government in Wales

I'm trying to file articles from the UK root into their Welsh subcategories ... I recognise my grasp of Welsh geography is feeble. Any clues you could give as to the antecedents of the subcat would be handy. (I recall you asked around at the time you were deciding...). thanks.--Tagishsimon (talk) 22:49, 10 February 2009 (UTC)

After searching in vain for a single authoritative definition for a set of logically consistent subdivisions of the United Kingdom, I eventually settled on using the county-level geostub subcategories defined under Category:United Kingdom geography stubs. I know this is a fudge, but it seemed the least worst choice of those available at the time, because it at least had a practical precedent of being used to organize work in existing projects. See the discussion at Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject Geographical coordinates/Archive 25#Subdivisions of the UK for more on this. -- The Anome (talk) 00:03, 11 February 2009 (UTC)

Thanks. I've added some maps to the various categories which may or may not help in sorting articles into subcats. --Tagishsimon (talk) 02:22, 11 February 2009 (UTC)

Category:Mali articles missing geocoordinate data

PLease find the coordinates!! Dr. Blofeld ^{White cat} 00:27, 13 February 2009 (UTC)

Homosexual couple

Your edit to User talk:Homosexual couple overwrote my edit. While it's true your edit made mine obsolete, please consider restoring my edit. Thanks. davidwr/(talk)/(contribs)/(e-mail) 02:59, 13 February 2009 (UTC)

I'd be happy to do so. I hope you understand my reasoning in overwriting your edit; I felt that replacing your warning was the right thing to do, since, as you say, the block had already rendered the warning message obsolete, and I felts that the juxtaposition of the two would have confused matters. -- The Anome (talk) 12:43, 13 February 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for restoring it. By seeing effectively the same message from two different editors, it will help him understand it's not you picking on him. I hope. As I read the policy, "technically" the name could probably be kept if he made it crystal clear at the top of his user and talk pages that "it was just a name" and was in fact a single person. However, it's a close call and the wise thing to do is change the name. davidwr/(talk)/(contribs)/(e-mail) 14:33, 13 February 2009 (UTC)

Barnstar: Paul Kenneth Keller

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		Many thanks for cleaning up the dispute on the Paul Kenneth Keller page! You took the time and effort to research the given sources, rewrite the text accordingly, and you also went the extra mile to enforce Wikipedia rules against a contributor in violation of said rules. Well done! Ericdn (talk) 13:12, 13 February 2009 (UTC)

Michigan Islands National Wildlife Refuge

Given how many islands are encompassed, and how really scattered and far apart they are, what coordinates do you think should be there? I recognize that 'coordinates are missing' but I can't fathom how that could be cured. Any thoughts or guidance would be appreciated. Thank you. Happy editing. 7&6=thirteen (talk) 23:33, 14 February 2009 (UTC) Stan

Thanks for catching that. I've now marked the individual islands as missing coordinates, where appropriate, and removed the tag from the parent article. The bot keeps a record of articles it's already tagged, and should not make attempt to tag the parent article unless I make a deliberate change to its policy. -- The Anome (talk) 00:06, 15 February 2009 (UTC)

Dear The Anome, Glad that we're all on the same page. 7&6=thirteen (talk) 00:16, 15 February 2009 (UTC) Stan

Richboro Port railway station

I'm not sure that your change of category was correct. The station was constructed, as there are photos of it in existence. It was never opened to passengers as the line serving it was never passed for passenger traffic. Mjroots (talk) 15:31, 15 February 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for catching that. If it was constructed, even if never opened, then it's disused, rather than never constructed; I'll move it back to the appropriate category. -- The Anome (talk) 15:32, 15 February 2009 (UTC)

AfD nomination of Weapons in science fiction

I have nominated Weapons in science fiction, an article that you created, for deletion. I do not think that this article satisfies Wikipedia's criteria for inclusion, and have explained why at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Weapons in science fiction. Your opinions on the matter are welcome at that same discussion page; also, you are welcome to edit the article to address these concerns. Thank you for your time. Mintrick (talk) 16:56, 15 February 2009 (UTC)

Zero mile marker

This is a concept and as such it does not have a location. Vegaswikian (talk) 21:48, 15 February 2009 (UTC)

Sorry about that. The bot is based on pattern matching categories and their relationships, with some rejection heuristics that look at article content: they didn't catch this one. -- The Anome (talk) 21:57, 15 February 2009 (UTC)

request pause in tagging NRHP articles, including archeological sites

Hey, i notice you tagged as missing coordinates several archeological sites listed on the U.S. National Register of Historic Places whose locations might be kept restricted for good reason. Among these might be Green River Shell Middens Archeological District‎ and Mohawk Upper Castle Historic District‎ (the latter has part of the site openly known, other parts of the district are definitely not disclosed, I happen to know). Whether to post locations for archeological sites has previously been discussed at wt:NRHP, several times. There is available central listing of all the ones for which the National Register itself restricts location info. Perhaps your bot could be adjusted to exclude those. Could you please stop tagging U.S. NRHP listings, pending some approach to identifying which ones should not get tags? Please reply to my Talk page as I may not be back here. Or, better, open a new discussion section at wt:NRHP, which I would see and join. Thanks! doncram (talk) 01:15, 17 February 2009 (UTC)

Yes, I'd gladly do so. I'm afraid I hadn't considered the possibility of places which need their locations kept secret when working on bot-tagging these articles. Perhaps we could have a special tag for places which need their locations kept secret, or a centralized blacklist of such articles? I've replied further at your talk page and at wt:NRHP. -- The Anome (talk) 02:02, 17 February 2009 (UTC)

Doncram brings up a very good point. I just reverted the changes to Liddell Archeological Site as it is a restricted address also. Altairisfar_talk 03:33, 17 February 2009 (UTC)

I commented about getting a list of NRIS's restricted address sites at the wt:NRHP discussion section which you opened, thanks. I hope your bot could exclude from a blacklist like that; I am not sure about marking as coords not wanted or not. Thanks. doncram (talk) 08:13, 17 February 2009 (UTC)

Typos

You note in your comment at WT:NRHP that you've spotted and fixed spelling errors. As trivial as it may sound, could you please list those at WP:NRIS issues? Nyttend (talk) 21:45, 18 February 2009 (UTC)

 Done -- The Anome (talk) 01:20, 19 February 2009 (UTC)

Afd My User Page

You deleted my user page under false pretenses that I was using it as a webhost. Please explain why you deleted it. I want it restored. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Phrasia (talk • contribs) 03:07, 17 February 2009 (UTC)

It was deleted at the same time as a large number of similar userpages that had competition result tables for fictitious reality TV shows, as part of an off-Wikipedia role-playing game. If you can assure me that the shows on your page are all real, that the tables being generated are intended for an encyclopedic use within Wikipedia, and that this was not associated with the role-playing game, I'd be happy to restore it. -- The Anome (talk) 10:46, 17 February 2009 (UTC)

It is not part of a role-playing game. I will put it at that. Its not supposed to be encyclopedic its on my user page. I am asking for you to restore it please if you can. I am not hurting anybody. Its not really vandalism and you can't really search userpages well not intentionally unless you look up mine. If you can't you can't, its just that its for sentimental and personal reasons. Its something I did for my local news broadcasting. Its not a role playing game or anything like that.

(71.118.42.244 (talk) 05:59, 14 March 2009 (UTC))

Here's what I suggest; I'll restore the content temporarily, so you can move it to another wiki. A number of free wiki providers exist, most notably http://wikia.com , so you shouldn't have any problem doing so. (A search for "free wiki hosting" should find many more.) After a few days, I'll delete it again. That should sort out your needs, without needing to use Wikipedia's resources for your hobby. If that's acceptable to you, please let me know. -- The Anome (talk) 08:57, 14 March 2009 (UTC)

Thank you for coming up with a good solution. I won't break for TOS again. (Phrasia (talk) 09:53, 14 March 2009 (UTC))

You're welcome. I've restored the page content; I will delete it again in a few day's time. -- The Anome (talk) 10:13, 14 March 2009 (UTC)

Bot error

Hi, I don't think that this "coordinate missing" tag was necessary; historical articles don't need coordinates. Thanks,  Sandstein  05:20, 17 February 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for spotting that. It was tagged because it belongs to the category "Roman sites in Switzerland", and none of the bot's heuristics spotted it as a false positive. I'll see if I can add an appropriate generic heuristic to catch that class of articles. -- The Anome (talk) 10:39, 17 February 2009 (UTC)

Update: I've now found and fixed several other similar cases, and added some extra rules to the bot. -- The Anome (talk) 11:14, 17 February 2009 (UTC)

I've rv'd it on Meluhha, Dilmun and Maine penny Til Eulenspiegel (talk) 17:40, 17 February 2009 (UTC)

I don't think anything would have caught the Maine penny, but the heuristics I added above should now catch the other two for having categories with "peoples" in them. -- The Anome (talk) 17:58, 17 February 2009 (UTC)

Precision for the old railway stations?

Question: Five places of decimals for the old railway stations - is this excess precision?

Although the cross-hairs can be moved quite narrowly on NPE maps, often the results may be well over 100m or 200m out, if one uses them to look up a satellite photograph on Wikimapia. And this is perhaps not surprising. The delineation of the line, and the station marker itself, is to start with an idealisation on the NPE maps; also, often I think the matching of their applied co-ordinate grid to the co-ordinate grid on their scan can be a bit give-or-take. And railway stations themselves can be quite large features. If we're giving coords accurate to a metre, does that imply that we think we can put cross-hairs right through the centre of the old booking office?

Sorry, this has been nagging at me for a while, but perhaps I should have mentioned it several hundred stations ago!

One of the advantages of a six-figure OS grid reference (which it would be nice if these articles also had, auto-generated), is that it is immediately very clear (a) what precision one should try to achieve to describe the coordinates; and (b) what precision as a reader one should expect of the co-ordinates. (ie, to the nearest 100m). These are IMO additional significant advantages of the OS grid system for points of interest inside the UK.

The question of precision is much less transparent with lat/long coordinates, which is perhaps why this dog has been sleeping until now. But since we are using lat/long coordinates, what do we think is an appropriate level of precision to quote them (and to try to create them)?

I can remember being so disappointed for the first couple of stations, in the middle of Glasgow, that I added coordinates for using NPE maps and your page, only to find later looking them up on Wikimapia that the coordinates were at least a block away from where they should have been. Since then I guess I've come to the view that at least that's better than nothing. But nevertheless, perhaps we should be aware that there is a limit to the accuracy of the co-ordinates we're finding and adding. Jheald (talk) 10:51, 17 February 2009 (UTC)

Yes. Precision has long been a serious problem with Wikipedia's geocoding process. I think the best we can say at the moment is "yes, we know we're doing it wrong, but it's better than nothing". Ideally, every location would have some representation of its extent and/or uncertainty, something which Wikimapia does much better than we do here. Since we currently have no way of representing precision, and it's undesirable to lose precision when converting between coordinate systems, we often end up with silly overprecision in coordinate data, sometimes to the ludicrous extent of showing ten or more significant figures when someone simply pastes in the result of a double-precision floating point computation. In the case of the npemap data, the orthorectification of the maps leaves much to be desired. Sometimes, it's spot on, but in other cases it appears that it has been impossible to accurately orthorectify images of old wrinkled maps. However, it's still possible to pick points on those maps to high precision; that is to say, they can be very precise, but not very accurate. As a result, it's hard to know what precision to use for the geotag for any given point.

I think a proper solution to this will eventually require building a user interface something like Wikimapia. -- The Anome (talk) 18:07, 17 February 2009 (UTC)

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I removed a few coordinates from villages in Slovakia, e.g. [2]. I had found them with dispenser's new tool. Most should be fixed by now. -- User:Docu

Ouch. My bad. I clearly need to add another sanity check to the bot's interwiki code. I've just checked my logs to find other similar cases, and you seem to have got them all. -- The Anome (talk) 04:21, 20 February 2009 (UTC)

coordinates for battle sites

On a cursory glance, many articles using {{Infobox Military Conflict}} lack coordinates; if these could be matched against country-categories, perhaps you might apply {{Coord missing}}? Note that the former has a coordinates parameter. Of coursem some conflicts (e.g. Easter Rising) were too widespread to have a single set of coordinates. Andy Mabbett (User:Pigsonthewing); Andy's talk; Andy's edits 12:18, 21 February 2009 (UTC)

Thanks! I've made a list of tag-less articles under Category:Battles by country with names beginning with "Battle of". They're not classified by country, because they are only classified by participant (of which there are usually at least two listed), which does not necessarily correlate with which modern country, if any, the location of the battle now lies in. (For example, a battle between the United States and Germany may have occurred in mid-ocean, or may have occurred on the territory of Nazi Germany, in a place which is no longer part of modern Germany.) There are 2100+ of these; I've put them on the queue to be tagged with {{Coord missing}}, and they will be tagged in due course. -- The Anome (talk) 12:44, 21 February 2009 (UTC)

Battle of Britain coords

I'm not sure it's really sensible to try and give a singleset of coords for the Battle of Britain, it's a rather atypical battle, last several weeksand fougth in various locations over the UK, hte English Channel, and arguably over continental Europe as well. Is there anyway to exclude it from the tagging? David Underdown (talk) 18:31, 21 February 2009 (UTC)

I've just removed the tag. The bot remembers its previous edits, and won't try to tag it again. I hope there aren't too many other special cases like that: I chose to restrict the edits to battle-related articles beginning "Battle of..." deliberately, to avoid mentions of campaigns or larger military operations like Operation Overlord. -- The Anome (talk) 20:05, 21 February 2009 (UTC)

...and I've fixed Battle of Greece as well. -- The Anome (talk) 20:41, 21 February 2009 (UTC)

I've just had to fix Battle of Borneo (1941–42), Battle of Java (1942) and Battle of Villers-Bocage order of battle. Nick-D (talk) 22:43, 21 February 2009 (UTC)

I've also fixed Battle of Alam el Halfa order of battle, which is the only other order of battle article that was tagged, and removed the coord missing tags from Battle of the Mediterranean and Battle of France. I hope that's got them all, and also hope that the inconvenience of fixing these edge cases should eventually be compensated for by setting in motion the geocoding of the other 2100+ battle articles... -- The Anome (talk) 23:42, 21 February 2009 (UTC)

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Thanks

Hi. Thanks mate for your kind words. It means a lot to me. Dr. Blofeld ^{White cat} 10:21, 22 February 2009 (UTC)

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Railwaystation snafu

From memory, your bot will not pick up the need to retag a previously tagged article: here's the change to note. --Tagishsimon (talk) 23:35, 22 February 2009 (UTC)

Brooks College

Brooks College no longer exists. Do you still want coordinates for defunct colleges? Thanks, Alanraywiki (talk) 21:48, 26 February 2009 (UTC)

Not in this case. As it did not have a single well-defined site, it would not have qualified for receiving coordinates anyway. -- The Anome (talk) 21:51, 26 February 2009 (UTC)

Bot Error?

I am not sure how your bot is setup to recognize something as being at a physical place, but the Florida Board of Governors is not a location. Your bot tagged it as needing coordinates. See here. KnightLago (talk) 03:10, 27 February 2009 (UTC)

That would be because the article is using a infobox which is defining the subject as a University (?!) JPG-GR (talk) 05:00, 27 February 2009 (UTC)

That's right. A second heuristic attempts to catch university systems such as this as not taggable, but didn't catch this one. I'll look into how I might prevent similar errors from occuring in future. Thanks for finding and fixing this. -- The Anome (talk) 10:26, 27 February 2009 (UTC)

Apostle Islands Lighthouses

I note that you put a tag saying the coordinates are missing. Given that these several lighthouses are scattered over a wide geographic area, which coordinates would you suggest we use? I don't think that this can easily or meaningfully be done. Think about it. Happy editing. 7&6=thirteen (talk) 12:40, 27 February 2009 (UTC) Stan

Fixed. Thanks for spotting this. -- The Anome (talk) 13:27, 27 February 2009 (UTC)

You are welcome. Thanks for your Yeoman's work, or Wiki gnome's work more properly. 7&6=thirteen (talk) 14:30, 27 February 2009 (UTC) Stan

missing coord tag for US subjects

Instead of adding {{coord missing|United States}}, could you make it specific to the US state? There are categories for each state, like Category:Indiana articles missing geocoordinate data. Thanks. --rogerd (talk) 13:03, 27 February 2009 (UTC)

I know; I created them. At the moment, I'm just concentrating on detecting and adding new entries, and collecting data on them as I go. I'll use the data collected to subcategorize them by state in a later pass. -- The Anome (talk) 13:26, 27 February 2009 (UTC)

I see. Thanks! --rogerd (talk) 21:58, 27 February 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for the update...You are doing a great job, if your bots get it somewhere between 85% and 95% correct, you will have done a great service to the project. --rogerd (talk) 23:49, 28 February 2009 (UTC)

Re-adding coord missing tags making it less specific

Earlier today The Anomebot2 added {{coord missing|United Kingdom}} to Church of St John the Evangelist, Milborne Port - fine. I went and tried to make this more specific by changing it to {{coord missing|Somerset}} making it more specific as members of Wikipedia:WikiProject Somerset are the most likely to go & add the required coordinates. Anomebot2 then went and changed this back to {{coord missing|United Kingdom}} which means it no longer appears in Category:Somerset articles missing geocoordinate data and I feel is less likely to be addressed. Is this deliberate policy or a bug?— Rod ^talk 15:01, 27 February 2009 (UTC)

It's a bug. Its initial relisting as being taggable was most probably caused by the toolserver's copy of the database being slightly out of sync with the main database, but its re-editing should then have been prevented by the bot's own local history check. I'll check it out. In the meantime, I've reverted the article to your version. -- The Anome (talk) 15:03, 27 February 2009 (UTC)

Bot and Abbot of Bury St Edmunds

This is the second time I've removed the coord missing template from this article. It's an article about an office, not the abbey, so it isn't about a geographic place. Anything I can add to the page to keep from having to revert a third time? Ealdgyth - Talk 15:21, 27 February 2009 (UTC)

I can see why it got tagged twice: it's been moved from one place to another, and got tagged once under each name, thus:

• 2008-10-11@20:28:49: bot tagged Abbot_of_Bury_St._Edmunds
• 11:53, 8 January 2009: Deacon of Pndapetzim moved Abbot of Bury St. Edmunds to Abbot of Bury St Edmunds over redirect
• 2009-02-27@15:12:56: bot tagged Abbot_of_Bury_St_Edmunds

It shouldn't get tagged again, unless it's moved again to another name. -- The Anome (talk) 15:27, 27 February 2009 (UTC)

Thanks. Didn't want to be a bother, but ... no sense wasting bot effort! Ealdgyth - Talk 15:37, 27 February 2009 (UTC)

Western saloon

The Anomebot2 added {{coord missing}} to Western saloon, which is not a specific place and shouldn't have coordinates. I reverted it. Ntsimp (talk) 16:32, 27 February 2009 (UTC)

I've also edited the relevant category link to make it clear that this is about a type, rather than an instance of a drinking establishment. -- The Anome (talk) 19:12, 27 February 2009 (UTC)

Coordinates for pipelines

Hi Anome. AS the bot is adding "coordinate missing" tag to the pipeline articles, I would like to ask how the coordinates for pipelines should be presented. Every pipeline has series of coordinates instead of single coordinates and I am wonder what is a correct way to present these. For longer pipelines there could be up to hundreds of turning points. I am also not sure where to find all these coordinates. Beagel (talk) 16:43, 27 February 2009 (UTC)

What advice there is is here - Wikipedia:WikiProject Geographical coordinates/Linear. A pipeline is not listed, but for most long linear features a coordinate at the mid-point tends to be used. Where additional coordinates are desirable, there's not (IMO) a very good solution, other than a table of coords of some sort. In my pipe dream we'd be able to have a single coordinate line at the top right of the screen expand to show all points of interest, but... --Tagishsimon (talk) 16:55, 27 February 2009 (UTC)

In general I agree, but unfortunately most of the pipelines are not linear, because their route depends of geographical and/or political conditions (e.g. Baku-Tbilisi-Ceyhan pipeline or South Stream). Also, there are some pipelines which are longer than 4,000 kilometers. I am not sure if in this case the mid-point is the best solution.Beagel (talk) 17:59, 27 February 2009 (UTC)

Yup, I have my stupid head on today. This was discussed for tunnel here - Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Geographical coordinates/Linear. I'm applying overground logic where it is inappropriate. I'll take the remainder of this to that page, to spare poor The Anome. --Tagishsimon (talk) 19:02, 27 February 2009 (UTC)

Reverted change to Texas Tower (lighthouse)‎

I removed the tag from the article as it is not about a particular structure. Mangoe (talk) 19:40, 27 February 2009 (UTC)

Thank you! I've been tagging tens of thousands of articles over the last week, so I hope you will forgive me the occasional error like this. -- The Anome (talk) 19:44, 27 February 2009 (UTC)

Alternative tag for NRHP ones where coords available

Hi, I notice The Anomebot marching through various NRHP articles on my watchlist. In some cases it is appropriately tagging coords needed on relatively new NRHP listings or on NRHP listings where coords really are not known. In many cases, however, it is tagging older NRHP articles for which coords are available now, but were not provided as part of earlier versions of the NRHP infobox supported by Elkman. I wonder, for these, would it be beneficial to tag them differently, like with NRHP_Infobox_Update_Needed or something like that? That would create a good working list for some wp:NRHPers to go through and fix, which would really help. I know your deeper purpose is to get coordinates added to places articles, it is not merely to tag them. I also know you have downloaded the NRIS database, and so you can see yourself which ones have coordinates available. Actually, i don't know for sure if you have all you need; Elkman may have done some further merging to get coordinates info into his system for NRHP infobox generation. This is all by way of suggestion. Thanks for listening! :) doncram (talk) 23:20, 27 February 2009 (UTC)

I'd be delighted to do so: tagging is only an means to an end where coordinates are not available. I might need a bit of help pulling all the pieces together to make sure I don't edit at cross-purposes to your project. -- The Anome (talk) 00:45, 28 February 2009 (UTC)

I note that your bot is revisiting some articles to change your tag from "Missing coords / USA" to more specific "Missing coords / Tennessee" or whatever. If your bot can do that it seems that it should be able to put in a category for missing coords and state and NRHP (and not on the NRHP-exclusion list). That might suffice fine, giving state-specific lists to work on. I would guess it would identify maybe 2-5,000 NRHP articles lacking coords, for which coords are now probably available, and which could be addressed by NRHPers coming by to update the NRHP infoboxes. NRHPers seem to like to work by state, so subdivided by state would help. A lot of the older NRHP articles were created before the coordinates were available in User:Elkman's NRHP infobox generator, while they are available now. Also a good number of NRHP articles were created with cut-and-pasted infoboxes, not using the generator. Putting all those into one category would provide a worklist for wp:NRHP to address (to add coords and otherwise update the infoboxes). Further there should logically be a hidden tag to put in saying that although a place is NRHP-listed and not excluded, it doesn't appear to have NRIS coords, to be addressed some other way but removed from the worklist for NRHPers.

By the way, is there any way for a user like me to search on the intersection of two categories, like for all those in missing coords category and all those in, say, Category:National Register of Historic Places in Tennessee? I believe there is no way to do that, I believe only bots and maybe AWB can do that. Few NRHPers are using AWB currently though, so it would just be nice if your bot could serve them up into missing/NRHP/state chunks. There certainly are NRHPers who would take control over and address all on a list for their state. doncram (talk) 00:33, 1 March 2009 (UTC)

CatScan is your friend here: try this CatScan search, which I believe will do what you want in a more direct way, by finding only those articles that do not transclude the coordinate-link-producing {{coord}} template either directly or indirectly, regardless of whether I have tagged them with {{coord missing}}. You can adapt the parameters, and the output format, to suit your needs. -- The Anome (talk) 01:50, 1 March 2009 (UTC)

Awesome! I am going to have to digest this, will share at wt:NRHP. doncram (talk) 02:27, 1 March 2009 (UTC)

In addition, if you can point me to where I can find lat/long coordinates in the NHRP data files, I'd be happy to extract and dump the whole lot into the articles. -- The Anome (talk) 02:30, 1 March 2009 (UTC)

I think that your adding, by bot, coordinates info to many old NRHP articles having NRHP infoboxes lacking them would generally be fine. The exception is for address restricted sites. Also, adding the coordinates, if accompanied by a locmapin= field set to USA or to a state name, will cause a map to be displayed in the infobox. Usually this is desirable. I think it would be okay to just add it. The NRHP infobox template allows an editor to remove the map display by blanking the locmapin field, while keeping the coordinates.

Coordinates data seems to be available for downloading from the National Register underneath menu option "Geographic files..." by clicking on http://www.nr.nps.gov/nrdown1.htm. This is all beneath the "Download center" area at http://www.nr.nps.gov/. In particular this README file gives more info and names a contact person. Merging coordinates info to the other NRIS data might be easy, using the unique refnums. I have noticed just a few cases where incorrect merging appears to have been a problem in output from Elkman's system, e.g. one situation where coords for two places identically named something like "U.S. Custom House", but located in Buffalo, NY and in New York City, were switched. But the error could well have been within the original NRIS data, not introduced by Elkman's merging. So i believe that the merging works pretty well.

I was separately directed to that one contact person, about the previously discussed address restricted data discrepancies, and will be following up with him. It may be efficient to communicate some more about these combined issues by email. If you wouldn't mind my including you in by cc'ing you on something and/or forwarding some stuff, please let me know by emailing me (i have email enabled and an Email-to-me box on my User page, but I don't see a way to email you). Sincerely, doncram (talk) 01:31, 5 March 2009 (UTC)

In response to my inquiry in part based on your report of discrepancies, a NPS rep responds in part:...we have been reviewing our archeological sites recently (doing similar kind of comparisons that you were doing) and have made dozens of corrections when we notice that "Address Restricted" was in the Address field but the Restrict indicator was not checked. We have also corrected variations on "Address Restricted" so that we can complete the former comparison. I am now running a new downloadable version that you can use and will email you when it is ready for download. I recommend the downloadable data be filtered for "listed" properties (certcd = "LI") and, to avoid duplicates in some kinds of lists, you simply want to report the primary location (primeflg <> " "). So a new geo coords file should be ready soon, I'll let you know when they contact me. doncram (talk) 16:33, 6 March 2009 (UTC)

Upper Peninsula

This is much bigger than the Apostle Islands Lighthouses. 400 miles wide, 250 miles deep. Approx. So asking for coordinates is something only a bot would do. Obviously this is an exercise in futility. Please remove the tag. Thanks. 7&6=thirteen (talk) 00:20, 28 February 2009 (UTC) Stan

It - presumably the tagging, generally and as applied to this article - is not an exercise in futility for at least two reasons. 1. Articles being tagged are in categories suggesting they are geographical features that can have coordinates ascribed to them. The false positive rate is very low in my experience. And the tag is benign - it does not change the appearance of the article in any way, and so FPs are harmless. 2. Even large land masses can be identified - to a certain extent - by a single coordinate. Obviously more coordinates would be handy. I've now tagged Upper Peninsula with a coordinate, roughly in the centre of the Upper Peninsula. It serves to put the user in roughly the right place on an external map. And that is a good thing, no? --Tagishsimon (talk) 00:35, 28 February 2009 (UTC)

I don't entirely disagree. At the risk of some hyperbole, if you count the water portions of the Yooper too, this is somewhat akin to describing Texas with a single coordinate. It puts you in the right hemisphere, but . . . it tends to be misleading. It is like some "trolls" from the Lower Peninsula (they live beneath the bridge), who have the idea that you cross the Mackinac Bridge, and 'there is U.P. I once was told of an acquaintance who had just driven from Detroit, Michigan to St. Ignace, Michigan (about 300 miles), who was scheduled to be at 10:00 a.m. in Ironwood, Michigan. He called at 9:00 to ask the people he was to meet how to find the meeting. There reply was, "you're halfway here." You get the idea. Best regards. 7&6=thirteen (talk) 01:44, 28 February 2009 (UTC) Stan

Different subject

I am interested in having some more access to the NRIS database for various purposes. Elkman is only interested in providing service reports out of NRIS to a certain degree, has not chosen to respond to every crazy request by me or others, as is perfectly his right. For example, I am interested in getting a report of NRHP sites which share exactly the same name, like those reported a one-off Elkman report at User:Elkman/NRHP data dump. This is important for disambiguation page building, which is a tedious but necessary part of supporting a large system of NRHP articles. There are about 80,000 NRHP sites, of which 20,000 or so have articles, and many share exactly the same name before disambiguating (city, state) is added to the name. That Elkman data dump report only goes down through names having 6 or more sites of exactly the same name. You might notice all those are bluelinks, because i and others have created disambiguation pages for all of them. I want/need now to create disambiguation pages for all those having 2-5 sites of exactly the same name, have requested an extended report from Elkman a couple times. Again, we are all volunteers, and he hasn't chosen to provide that, which is fine.

But, is that something that would be easy for you to generate? What software do you use, i wonder if i could do it myself, too. Could you share your software, and/or could you generate that report? doncram (talk) 03:09, 1 March 2009 (UTC)

coord missing on articles about organizations without physical facilities.

I am sure you are aware of this, but some articles that your bot has been tagging with the {{coord missing}} tag, like Armed Forces Institute of Regenerative Medicine, have no specific physical presence. I explored the one reference from that article and found it to be a consortium of existing university and military hospitals that has no current or planned future unique presence. How should I handle this, just revert your bot's edit, or is there some way we can mark it so you don't tag it again on some future scan? Thanks --rogerd (talk) 00:04, 2 March 2009 (UTC)

Just revert the bot's edit, and it won't try to tag the article again. I try quite hard to avoid these sorts of errors, but with tens of thousands of articles being tagged, some will slip through. If you see any more of these, please let me know. -- The Anome (talk) 00:06, 2 March 2009 (UTC)

Here is one more: Region Hovedstadens Psykiatri. -Lilac Soul ^{(talk • contribs • count) • I'm watching this page so just reply to me right here!} 06:49, 9 March 2009 (UTC)

Schönhage–Strassen algorithm

Hi, I was wondering if you know of any books which deal with FFT-based multiplication (other than Crandall & Pomerance). Also, do you know where I can get the original 1971 paper of the algorithm, A. Schönhage and V. Strassen, "Schnelle Multiplikation großer Zahlen", Computing 7 (1971), pp. 281–292, online?

Thanks,

(Flouran (talk) 06:26, 2 March 2009 (UTC))

I'm afraid I don't have any special knowledge in that area, so I can only point you at places you've probably already looked. Google Books is always a good first place to look: see http://books.google.co.uk/books?q=fft%20based%20multiplication Unfortunately, following the trail from there finds recommendations to read Crandall and Pomerance's book. Knuth has a section on multiplication in Volume 2 of The Art of Computer Programming, but it has little to offer on this particular subtopic other than a clear exposition of the Schönhage-Strassen algorithm.

I don't know anywhere you can get the 1971 Schönhage and Strassen paper for free, but Springer sells it online here: http://www.springerlink.com/content/y251407745475773/ -- The Anome (talk) 13:11, 2 March 2009 (UTC)

That's fine. It's better to look at modern developments/implementations of the algorithm. Do you know of any good sources? Thanks again,

(Flouran (talk) 00:05, 6 March 2009 (UTC))

Try this search for "Schönhage and Strassen GPL". -- The Anome (talk) 00:21, 6 March 2009 (UTC)

tag added in weird place

In this edit to Boston College High School, User:The Anomebot2 added Template:coord missing in a totally weird place: In mid-sentence. I've cleaned it up, but thought you should know in case it's a sign of some problem with the bot. -- Why Not A Duck 18:53, 3 March 2009 (UTC)

It's seen "CSI:" at the start of a link, and interpreted it as an interwiki tag, one of the types of tag it tries to position {{coord missing}} before. I'll blacklist that string in the relevant code. -- The Anome (talk) 18:56, 3 March 2009 (UTC)

Bot - paused or finished

Has your bot finished pushing {{coord missing}} for the US & UK down into states and counties, or merely paused? --Tagishsimon (talk) 19:59, 3 March 2009 (UTC)

It's just paused, for now. -- The Anome (talk) 20:53, 3 March 2009 (UTC)

I'll bite: why is it paused? I was in the habit of doing by-hand reclassification to push articles into counties or states and I'm feeling idle now :(. Equally, I'm hoping (against hope, I know) that you can make some more use of the categories of articles already in, especially, Welsh & Scottish areas, to improve the bot's ability to push articles down to those levels. --Tagishsimon (talk) 22:36, 4 March 2009 (UTC)

Mali and Cote d Ivoire

Yes, I'm a little surprised not to see it around recently, is everything OK Anome or just run out of steam? I've recently created articles on towns in these two countries and could certainly do with your bot running to add coordinates. Is everything OK because you haven't responded to my last two messages one about Mali and the other about the train station in Phnom Penh? Dr. Blofeld ^{White cat} 18:06, 7 March 2009 (UTC)

Sorry about that, I was busy off-wiki and had to take a short wikibreak. More soon. -- The Anome (talk) 18:59, 10 March 2009 (UTC)

Thanks

for the template geocoords missing...a great innovation...Ashley kennedy3 (talk) 22:43, 9 March 2009 (UTC)

Sunken Village

I notice that Sunken Village Archeological Site, one of the NRHP sites that is supposed to be address restricted, was tagged with coordinates missing, and an editor has responded by providing "approximate" coordinates. This was what I thot we were working to avoid. So I wonder, did your bot go back and remove the coordinates missing/wanted tags for the address restricted ones, after all? Actually, i haven't noticed any retractions on my watchlist, so i wonder if i need to go back manually or what. Or, did this one fall through the cracks for other reasons, perhaps this is one where the NRIS info was not clear? doncram (talk) 20:09, 11 March 2009 (UTC)

My apologies; I'll get on to it soon. -- The Anome (talk) 19:19, 13 March 2009 (UTC)

Image tagging for File:Käfigmutter.jpg

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invitation

You're invited to sign up as a founding member, at Wikipedia:WikiProject Council/Proposals#WikiProject Historic Sites ! :) doncram (talk) 05:35, 15 March 2009 (UTC)

Defunct townships of Cuyahoga County, Ohio

What do you think of my last edit? Nyttend (talk) 02:24, 16 March 2009 (UTC)

It's good. Thanks. -- The Anome (talk) 02:27, 16 March 2009 (UTC)

Trekking peak

Hi. Why do you think there should be coordinates added to Trekking peak? This is a classification assigned by the Nepal Mountaineering Association to a number of peaks in the country; it is NOT an individual peak. RedWolf (talk) 03:27, 16 March 2009 (UTC)

I don't. Unfortunately, my bot's pattern matching rules were unable to tell it from a real peak. I've rolled back the edit by hand, and changed the article's category tag sort field to make it clear that it is not an actual peak, but a class of peaks.

If you see any similar errors, please let me know, and I will look at adding extra heuristics to the bot to stop them from happening. -- The Anome (talk) 12:33, 16 March 2009 (UTC)

Re: redirect Psychological state

I recreated a redirect which you deleted because I believe it's useful. "Psychological state" used to redirect to "Mental health" before it was deleted. It now redirects to the more accurate alternative name "Mental state". Let me know if there's any objection to this. Thanks :) -- OlEnglish ^(Talk) 21:17, 16 March 2009 (UTC)

No, that's fine with me -- I deleted the old redirect because it made no sense, the new redirect makes perfect sense to me. -- The Anome (talk) 00:41, 17 March 2009 (UTC)

coord missing tag

I notice that The Anomebot2 recently added a {{coord missing}} tag to Petaluma and Santa Rosa Railway Powerhouse even though the article had coordinates in its {{Infobox Historic building}} template. Could you reprogram the bot to make use of these coordinates in the future, rather than flagging the articles? --Stepheng3 (talk) 02:14, 17 March 2009 (UTC)

That's really peculiar. The bot tests for coordinate data by looking for map links, generated either through dedicated coordinate tags, or through coordinates in templates. In this case the coordinate data appears to be present in the template, but no map link is being generated. Fixing the template to generate coordinates in the usual way will fix the problem. -- The Anome (talk) 11:05, 17 March 2009 (UTC)

Where might I find someone with the skills to fix the template? --Stepheng3 (talk) 00:37, 18 March 2009 (UTC)

One more thing: if and when you do enable coordinate generation on that infobox, another bot will eventually visit all the affected pages, and remove any remaining {{coord missing}} tags without any further human intervention. -- The Anome (talk) 14:39, 17 March 2009 (UTC)

Sorting in Category:United Kingdom articles missing geocoordinate data

Are you going to get your bot to further sort articles in Category:United Kingdom articles missing geocoordinate data & Category:United States articles missing geocoordinate data, or have you finished with them. thsanks --Tagishsimon (talk) 18:40, 19 March 2009 (UTC)

Not in the near future: I'm stalled on that task for some time to come. I'm likely to come back to the task in a couple of months. I'm OK with subcategorizing new entries, though, so I shouldn't be adding significantly to those categories. -- The Anome (talk) 14:52, 20 March 2009 (UTC)

Do you have any objection to me trying to find a bot that can run over them? --Tagishsimon (talk) 16:42, 20 March 2009 (UTC)

I'd be delighted if you could. Thank you for the offer. Anything you could do on this would also help me by allowing me to relax the constraints on my bot a bit, allowing entries to be generated even when they can't be allocated to a particular state in the U.S. or county in the UK. -- The Anome (talk) 16:44, 20 March 2009 (UTC)

I've requested assistance at Wikipedia:Bot_requests#Articles missing geo-coordinates -> move into subcategories, FYI. --Tagishsimon (talk) 00:47, 2 April 2009 (UTC)

Ashiyu

Ashiyu is not a location and as such does not require coordinates. Heuristical enema needed? Jason7825 (talk) 23:00, 19 March 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for that. I've found and fixed several other similar examples by hand. They were all tagged with {{coord missing}} because they were categorized as hot springs without an empty category sort tag, a convention which would have served to distinguish them as articles about a kind of hot spring, rather than articles about actual hot springs. Doing this not only makes the category pages look nicer, it's very useful for bots. I've fixed the category sort tags in the relevant articles so this won't happen again. -- The Anome (talk) 23:34, 19 March 2009 (UTC)

False Positive hit

This tagging of a list of donations to an appeal is not a location as such doesnt need co-ordinates. Gnangarra 11:55, 20 March 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for spotting this! I've fixed its categories to reflect this, and renamed it appropriately; either of these is sufficient to stop the bot from tagging it. As a longer-term fix for this class of error, I'll consider adding some code to detect at edit time whether the source code of an article is mostly made up of tables. -- The Anome (talk) 14:45, 20 March 2009 (UTC)

Foiba

I have reverted the bot change to Foiba. This article is about a general form, not a specific instance therefore no geocoord data is possible. Thanks. WTucker (talk) 23:45, 20 March 2009 (UTC)

iw coordinates

If you have a moment, could you have a look at WT:GEO and the last couple of edits of D6. -- User:Docu

It all looks good to me, and the two test edits look fine. -- The Anome (talk) 09:51, 24 March 2009 (UTC)

Thanks. BTW I added already about 200 coordinates. -- User:Docu

User:GismGism Making Grawp Accounts

Comment removed:  Done -- The Anome (talk) 14:21, 25 March 2009 (UTC)

Finding whats new in 'missing geocoordinate categories'

I've been working my way through Category:London articles missing geocoordinate data adding coordinates. Is there a way of seeing which articles have been added when its been updated? Thx in advance -Grim23 (talk) 12:09, 26 March 2009 (UTC)

Special:RecentChangesLinked/Category:London_articles_missing_geocoordinate_data probably comes closest to what you want, but will also show other edits. In addition, following the number links from the "added" or "removed" numbers on Para's coord missing change log will give you a listing of all the coord missing tags added or removed that day (like this example), and Special:Contributions/The_Anomebot2 logs my bot's activities. -- The Anome (talk) 13:38, 26 March 2009 (UTC)

Actually, the first link should be http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:RecentChangesLinked&hidebots=0&target=Category%3ALondon_articles_missing_geocoordinate_data , in order to capture bot edits, which are likely to be a large part of what you are looking for. -- The Anome (talk) 09:42, 27 March 2009 (UTC)