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I note that you are a new editor, and so take no pleasure in taking a harsh tone with you on my talk page, but maybe you should be here rather longer before you throw around accusations of vandalism. In addition to the above, I would strongly recommend that you read WP:Recentism and WP:Crystal.

In the last 12 years or so, riders of the calibre of Jalabert, Basso, Sastre, Rasmussen, Gerdemann, Vandevelde etc have left SaxoBank and its previous incarnations: their departures have not been noted. So, either every editor who has worked on this page before you arrived has been remiss, or riders' departures, although newsworthy, are not generally considered encyclopaedically relevant. I know which I would consider to be the case. Kevin McE (talk) 13:36, 4 August 2010 (UTC)

I've been on wikipedia for nearly five years, so I wouldn't count myself as being new to the site, you might check out my danish page or Tondemageren.

Jalabert was not one of the worlds best riders when he retired, which is why it is not mentioned. Neither where Gerdemann (only with CSC as a stagiere) or Vandevelde. Rasmussen left CSC before he became well-known figure in road cycling and therefore not worth mentioning. Sastre could be mentioned, because he left the team as the winner of Tour de France 2008 - although he would not be considered in the top 5-stage riders in the world at the time. Ivan Basso should be mentioned, because he got fired from the team due to Operacíon Puerto and got pulled from the Tour de France. If it is not mentioned, that would be a huge mistake. Both Schleck-brothers would be considere to be in the top 5-stage riders in the world at the moment, with Andy being considered number 2, just after Alberto Contador. Therefore it is relevant to mention that they are going to leave the team and Contador are going to join the team, which will take effect from the beginning of the 2011-season.

If you want a source of the name-change, to see that it is real and that it is going to be that name, read this: http://www.team-saxobank.com/ny_news.asp?n_id=2895&lang=uk . So now you can se that this is verifiable! So just let it be in the infobox instead of deleting it!

Now you are making up the motivations of editors for not doing things! Can you accept that there is a difference between newsworthiness and encyclopaedic relevance? Can you understand the inconguity of putting future projected change in a section headed "team name history"? And perhaps you should add WP:Sockpuppet to your reading list. I doubt that many readers would consider 2 top 10 finishes in GT to establish a rider as among the top 5 stage riders in the world. You have ignored the challenge to find other instances of future names in the infobox. Kevin McE (talk) 14:24, 4 August 2010 (UTC)

Evidently no-one on Danish Wikipedia thinks the departures iof the Schlecks is worth posting! Kevin McE (talk) 14:41, 4 August 2010 (UTC)

As long as the name has been confirmed I see no problem in putting the name in a section headed "team name history". It is the history of the team name and the latest chapter in the history is the coming namechange to Team Saxo Bank-SunGard. Can you understand that maybe?

Which rider has only finished in the top ten two times in the grand tours? Neither Andy Schleck nor Alberto Contador did that?

The Danish Wikipedia-site on Team Saxo Bank has not been updated regulary and nothing has been written for the 2010-season - yet! If you look at the 2009-season, you can see the tranfers for that season being mentioned.

I have ignored your challenge, yes, because I cannot see what the relevance is? You know the name of the team from 2011, why not put i up? Tøndemageren (talk) 16:54, 4 August 2010 (UTC)

As to your challenge - look at King Uncaged and take a look at the release date!Tøndemageren (talk) 17:51, 4 August 2010 (UTC)

You may "see no problem", but if you hope to introduce something which is against the long-term practice of WP:CYC, and that two established editors of cycling team have reverted, you should try to persuade the project of your proposal rather than editwar on the matter. What a rap album has to do with anything I have no idea: WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS. And please let me know about Frank Schleck's 3rd GT top ten placing... Kevin McE (talk) 20:12, 4 August 2010 (UTC)

Oh, and Berbatov £30.75m; Ferdinand £29m; Veron £29m; Rooney £27m; van Nistelrooy £19m; Hargreaves £17m; Valencia £16m; Nani & Anderson £30m the pair; Saha £12.8m; Yorke £12.6m; Ronaldo £12.2m; Stam £10.6m ... Kevin McE (talk) 20:41, 4 August 2010 (UTC)

Re: Fuckin' Perfect

The information is not in the source. Yves (talk) 20:17, 25 February 2011 (UTC)

At first, please respond where the question were asked. Second, the source is part of the template, and therefore appears when the template is used. So the reversing you are doing to the edit, must be considered vandalism. Take a look at what the template does at Template:Singlechart and find out how it works. Tøndemageren (talk) 20:22, 25 February 2011 (UTC)

Actually, it depends on the editor. I am more than familiar with how {{singlechart}} works. Do you see a source here for "Fuckin' Perfect" or "F**kin' Perfect" at number two on the Canadian Hot 100? Did you look at the source? Please reply once you've looked at the source. (WP:V) Yves (talk) 20:31, 25 February 2011 (UTC)

I resent your labelling of my edit as "vandalism". I believe it may be you that needs to take a look at {{singlechart}} and how it works. In the documentation, highlighted in bold, is the phrase, "Individual editors will need to follow the URLs generated by the template to verify their usefulness before walking away from an edited article." Please be careful. Yves (talk) 20:36, 25 February 2011 (UTC)

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June 2012

I've temporarily removed the "possible" sections you added to Eurovision Song Contest 2013 article, for 2 reasons. 1) they are unsourced - all content needs to be sourced. And 2) there is a discussion at the project talk page to remove these "possible" sections as they are speculative content and goes against WP:CRYSTAL. If you have any queries, please raise them as a new discussion at Talk:Eurovision Song Contest 2013 or via the project talk page. Thank you, Wesley☀Mouse 19:50, 6 June 2012 (UTC)

I did not add a possible-section to the article. I corrected the Morrocan flag in the article. I would be most helpful to me, if you would address these thing, to the people to whom it is relevant. kindly Tøndemageren (talk) 19:55, 6 June 2012 (UTC)

I posted the notices to both people who had worked on the "possible" sections, to make both of you aware of the current situation, and also to inform you why they are removed. Wesley☀Mouse 19:56, 6 June 2012 (UTC)

It is okay then - but another time, you might want to tell those who actually might want to know. It does not concern me, if the section is removed, when all I did was correcting a flag-icon. But hopefully you will make it into a great article. Kindly Tøndemageren (talk) 19:58, 6 June 2012 (UTC)

I should have really expanded a bit more on the original post to yourself, as I had noted that you only altered the Moroccan flag. I did a lazy move and wrote the comment to the user who created the possible sections first, and then did a quick copy/paste and saved without expanding. I also felt it polite to notify yourself why they have been removed, as you had altered part of the section, and may have wondered what the hell was going on. Wesley☀Mouse 20:01, 6 June 2012 (UTC)

You are completely forgiven - of course you only did it to be polite. I apologize for my kind of rude behaviour. If any help needed in the future, do not hesitate to ask for my help. And good luck in the future with the article. Kindly Tøndemageren (talk) 20:08, 6 June 2012 (UTC)

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Club infobox dates

Hi, when updating club infobox stats you should update the |club-update= or |pcupdate= parameter by adding five tildes (~~~~~), which generates the specific time the update was made. Thanks, Mattythewhite (talk) 21:47, 5 April 2017 (UTC)

@Mattythewhite:Sorry mate, I forgot that this time. I will try to remember it in the future :) mvh Tøndemageren (talk) 13:21, 6 April 2017 (UTC)

Concussion

Hi Tøndemageren. Please note that the Danish translation of the article Concussion is inconsistent: It both says "det skønnes, at mere end seks ud af 1.000 har hjernerystelse på ethvert givet tidspunkt.[4]" (in the introduction) and "... estimerer de at raten per år i den generelle befolkning er over seks ud af 1.000 personer.[4]" (in section Epidemiologi)

I have now read the reference ("Incidence, risk factors and prevention of mild traumatic brain injury: Results of the WHO Collaborating Centre Task Force on Mild Traumatic Brain Injury". Journal of Rehabilitation Medicine 36 (Supplement 43): 28–60. 2004.) and it talks about the annual incidence rate. Therefore I suggest that the introduction of da:Hjernerystelse is corrected. Best regards, Dipsacus fullonum (talk) 11:45, 8 April 2017 (UTC) @Dipsacus fullonum: As you know, I'm at the moment not active on da.wiki, therefore I will not do anything editing there. If you have som sort of correction, I would suggest just doing it, instead of notifying me - although it is nice of you :) mvh Tøndemageren (talk) 09:40, 9 April 2017 (UTC)

I know. I only wrote here because I thought you might have a personal interest in the subject. I have also left the Danish Wikipedia, so I will not edit there either. I will not bother you any more. Best regards, Dipsacus fullonum (talk) 10:02, 9 April 2017 (UTC)

@Dipsacus fullonum: Do know, that you are always welcome to "bother" me :) mvh Tøndemageren (talk) 18:52, 9 April 2017 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of Hjernerystelsesforeningen

Hello Tøndemageren,

I wanted to let you know that I just tagged Hjernerystelsesforeningen for deletion, because the article doesn't clearly say why the subject is important enough to be included in an encyclopedia.

If you feel that the article shouldn't be deleted and want more time to work on it, you can contest this deletion, but please don't remove the speedy deletion tag from the top.

You can leave a note on my talk page if you have questions.

Snickers2686 (talk) 22:12, 17 July 2017 (UTC)

Snickers2686 - well, I thought, that if it cleary is important enough to be on da.wiki, and it promoting concussion-awareness in a cooperation with FIFPro-associates (Spillerforeningen) (and unions of elite sports athletes in Denmark), it must have been important enough to have an encyclopedic article. mvh Tøndemageren (talk) 08:02, 18 July 2017 (UTC)

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Deaths in 2018

Hello, when you add people to the Deaths in 2018 page, please note that they should be in alphabetical order under each day. Thank you. --Marbe166 (talk) 06:58, 24 January 2018 (UTC)

Marbe166: I thought I did place it in alphabetical order according to surname - but I might have done it incorrectly. mvh Tøndemageren (talk) 07:45, 24 January 2018 (UTC)

You placed Lundquist in between two people with family names beginning with J. --Marbe166 (talk) 08:54, 24 January 2018 (UTC)

Sorry, my bad. I must have missed the latter J :) mvh Tøndemageren (talk) 08:57, 24 January 2018 (UTC)

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Your submission at Articles for creation: Kim Friedrich (May 9)

Your recent article submission has been rejected. If you have further questions, you can ask at the Articles for creation help desk or use Wikipedia's real-time chat help. The reason left by Sam Sailor was: This topic is not sufficiently notable for inclusion in Wikipedia. The comment the reviewer left was: Sorry, Tøndemageren, the sourcing here as well as the little that can be found by doing specific site:.dk searches does not bring this anywhere near a WP:BASIC/WP:GNG pass. FYI I speak the language.

Sam Sailor 18:24, 9 May 2019 (UTC)

Dear Sam - thank you for taking your time to review the article. I fully understand the rejection. So no hard feelings from me. Have a nice evening. Kind regards Tøndemageren (talk) 19:37, 9 May 2019 (UTC)

ILM. Sam Sailor 19:39, 9 May 2019 (UTC)

Redirecting page:Ronni Lykke Bødker

A page you created, Ronni Lykke Bødker, does not seem to have enough reliable third party sources to merit inclusion in the encyclopedia in itself. It has been redirected to Hjernerystelsesforeningen which is related to the subject of the article. Sam Sailor 14:09, 8 June 2019 (UTC)

Are you being paid for your edits in regards to Hjernerystelsesforeningen? Sam Sailor 14:16, 8 June 2019 (UTC) (please ping on reply)

Dear Sam Sailor. First of all I do not have any connections to Hjernerystelsesforeningen, although I have suffered from concussion on previous occasions, which have sparked an interest in the field (also bear in mind, that I am an admin at da.wiki, so I am fully aware of the problem surrounding being paid for edits). Second, the article you redirected, where fully sourced by reliable third party sources - including sources to Danish TV, national newspapers and websites. I know you understand Danish, as mentioned earlier on, in this talk page, so you should know these sources. What exactly was the problem with the article - and what more did you need? Kind regards Tøndemageren (talk) 07:54, 9 June 2019 (UTC)

I do recall our paths crossed in Julequizzen (permalink).

Here's my assessment of the sources in Ronni Lykke Bødker (permalink) ("HRF" will be used as an initialism for (Hjernerystelsesforeningen):

Source assessment table:
Source	Independent?	Reliable?	Significant coverage?	Count source toward GNG?
"Ny landsformand:"Vores vigtigste opgave er at hjælpe de ramte, især vores mange medlemmer."". Hjernerystelsesforeningen (in Danish). hjernerystelsesforeningen.dk. 11 September 2017. Archived from the original on 3 October 2017. Retrieved 3 October 2017. {{cite web}}: Unknown parameter |deadurl= ignored (|url-status= suggested) (help)	HRFs web site			✘ No
"Formand for Hjernerystelsesforeningen stopper". Altinget.dk (in Danish). Altinget. 26 February 2019. Retrieved 9 May 2019. {{cite web}}: Unknown parameter |deadurl= ignored (|url-status= suggested) (help)			The article has its focus on HRF and him leaving his job. We don't really get more than a single sentence or two about him.	✘ No
"Ronni Lykke Bødker @ Altinget.dk". Altinget.dk (in Danish). Altinget. 26 February 2019. Retrieved 9 May 2019. {{cite web}}: Unknown parameter |deadurl= ignored (|url-status= suggested) (help)			Filler "reference", index to the above article, useless	✘ No
Søren Plambech Holm & Mette Skov-Jensen (4 March 2015). "Hjernerystelsesforeningen: Patienter får utilstrækkelig vejledning". dr.dk (in Danish). Archived from the original on 30 October 2015. Retrieved 6 June 2018. {{cite web}}: Unknown parameter |deadurl= ignored (|url-status= suggested) (help)			Not only is the article not about him, it does not mention him at all. It mentions Kim Friedrich.	✘ No
"P4 Morgen, December 27". DR P4 (in Danish). Danmarks Radio. 27 December 2018. Retrieved 9 May 2019.	A radio interview with him, not a programme about him.			✘ No
Kristoffer Ø. Kristensen (12 October 2017). "DHF og DIU vil bekæmpe uvidenhed om hjernerystelser". Jyllands-Posten (in Danish). JP/Politikens Hus. Archived from the original on 16 October 2017. Retrieved 20 October 2017. {{cite web}}: Unknown parameter |deadurl= ignored (|url-status= suggested) (help)			Again, not about Bødker, just about concussions and HRF with a comment from Bødker.	✘ No
"Håndbold og ishockey indleder vigtigt samarbejde om hjernerystelser". sport.tv2.dk (in Danish). TV 2 Danmark. 12 October 2017. Archived from the original on 15 October 2017. Retrieved 6 June 2018. {{cite web}}: Unknown parameter |deadurl= ignored (|url-status= suggested) (help)			Again, not about Bødker, just about concussions and HRF with a comment from Bødker.	✘ No
This table may not be a final or consensus view; it may summarize developing consensus, or reflect assessments of a single editor. Created using {{source assess table}}.

There's a reason why the article looked like a LinkedIn bio, and that is the total lack of significant coverage.

I have followed policy and invoked WP:BLAR in accordance with WP:ATD-R and redirected as a categorized {{R from person}}. You are welcome to contest the redirect and revert me, but be aware that if the article is taken to WP:AFD the worst case scenario is outright deletion.

I am a frequent participant at AFD, prefer to WP:PRESERVE if possible, and have in a few cases been able to do so. Ronni Lykke Bødker is nowhere near WP:BASIC/WP:GNG, does not qualify under WP:ANYBIO, and can not be presumed notable under any WP:SNG. A way forward could be to turn Hjernerystelsesforeningen#Chairmen into prose by selectively merging a sentence or two from Ronni Lykke Bødker and Kim Friedrich.

A fallout of Julequizzen, 11. december was the creation of da:Asger Harding Granerud. TBO, I'm surprised that the Danish Wikipedia will set such a low bar for inclusion, so perhaps both of the formænd will be accepted as stand-alone articles on da.wiki, you know better than do I. Mvh, Sam Sailor 14:10, 9 June 2019 (UTC)

@Sam Sailor: Sorry for the long overdue answer. You are completely right in being surprised that da.wiki have an exceptionel low bar for inclusion. That comment made me think a lot about me involvement there, and I tried to initiate changes towards a higher bar. But it somehow seems that some are more interested in just having random articles - and lot of them (they call themselves inclusionists - and refer to those how disagree as "exclusionists" - putting a negative spin on us). Although I do not agree with every detail in your answer, I do agree with the essence of it, and I will not pursue the above mentioned article on en.wiki for now. Kind regards Tøndemageren (talk) 08:44, 19 November 2019 (UTC)

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