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Potential admin
In case you missed the reply on my talk page:
- "thank you for your post. I had honestly forgotten I was there. lol. I think I meet all the criteria, however, the only part I would have an issue with is the procedures and processes and I don't, that I know of, know an admin to learn from. If I knew one, I'd be more than willing to learn and do my best." Crash Underride 05:27, 2 September 2015 (UTC)
- Cool Thanks for getting back to me. Sorry for delay. I've set up a chat page here. I'll be asking you some questions when I've had a chance to look at some of your contributions. SilkTork ✔Tea time 15:18, 4 September 2015 (UTC)
Potential admin
I'm sorry for the delay. Thank you for considering me, I'm very honored. I think I have some knowledge of the Wikipedia guidelines, and although I would be mainly focused on football things, I could do a decent job as an administrator. I don't have a "consistency" in my edits, although they've always surpassed the 800 p/m since the last 12 months, or 1,000 since this year. Currently, I'm editing more because I'm unemployed, but the decision is up to you. Again, thank you! MYS77 ✉ 16:25, 3 September 2015 (UTC)
Re: Potential admin
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Ambika Appliances
- Hello SilkTork, can you please look into this page? User recreated deleted page and is also removing CSD tags. Consider SALT please. Thanks, Arun Kumar SINGH (Talk) 08:31, 6 September 2015 (UTC)
Potential admin
Thank you for volunteering to nominate me. I would be very honored. The reason there are such big gaps in my editing is because I mostly focus on cleanup, maintenance tagging, and reverting blatant/obvious vandalism; also I'm usually only available on Monday through Thursday evenings/nights and weekends and holidays. As for policies, I have learned quite a bit about the nuances of each since registering this account, and if made an admin could probably enforce them in a fair, polite, and respectful manner. --Bigpoliticsfan (talk) 23:25, 6 September 2015 (UTC)
- Hi. Thanks for getting back to me. I've looked at your contributions - [1] - and you haven't been much involved recently. Less than what I suggested you would need. There are also some concerning notices on your talkpage - people asking you to stop being disruptive, etc. I would suggest you would need at least 12 months of consistently positive contributions to the project of at least 100 edits a month so that the community has something to assess. Involvement in quality article building, such as taking an article to Good Article level, would be useful. Involvement in AfD would also be helpful, along with getting involved with other maintenance areas. If after 12 months you have done this, and still want to be an admin, get in touch with me, and we can talk further. SilkTork ✔Tea time 15:50, 8 September 2015 (UTC)
Admin
Hi,
E-mail would be preferable as my current internet access is phone based. Hoping to be back up by end of the month though. I've got e-mail enabled so feel free to ping me a message that way. Amortias (T)(C) 17:30, 8 September 2015 (UTC)
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Talkback
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Dcheagle • talk • contribs 19:48, 8 September 2015 (UTC)
Update?
Hello, I have not heard from you in a few days is our discussion over or have you simply been busy?--Cube b3 (talk) 19:52, 8 September 2015 (UTC)
- I've had a busy few days, and I'm just now working through messages I've left people. I will look at our chat shortly. Sorry for the delay. SilkTork ✔Tea time 21:57, 8 September 2015 (UTC)
THank you for the invite
Yes I would like to be an administrator one day but just lately work has been frantic, and family life! Will leave it for this round. All the best Bashereyre (talk) 20:19, 8 September 2015 (UTC)
- Cool. Just get in touch when you feel you are ready, and we can chat about it. SilkTork ✔Tea time 07:43, 9 September 2015 (UTC)
about potential admin ship
Hi, thank you for contacting me about about potential for me to be an administrator (in a couple edits, this being the last one). I didn't reply there promptly as I had to give it a think, but I am interested. Probably there would be another step or two first. I'd like to discuss it somewhere not hugely public, certainly off my Talk page. Perhaps you could set up a separate chat page and ping me from it? I see above that you've done that before. Whether it works for me or not, I appreciate your good effort of recruiting in the way you are doing. Thanks, --doncram 19:50, 10 September 2015 (UTC)
- Hi User:Doncram. Sorry for delay in getting back to you. I have set up a page here. SilkTork ✔Tea time 10:55, 16 September 2015 (UTC)
Re: Potential Admin
Thanks for contacting me about possible admin. I didn't imminently reply because I had to give a think. But I am interested. Rugby Sevens are coming 22:38, 10 September 2015 (UTC)
- Hi Matt, sorry for delay in getting back to you. I've just had a look at your contributions, and they are currently lower than the 100 a month criteria I am looking for as a starting point, and you have little experience in AfD. However, no worries, you can work on this. If you bring your contributions level up to a minimum of 100 edits a month for the next six months, and take part regularly in AfD discussions, we'll have a starting point for a discussion. I am recommending these pages to folks as essential and useful background reading: Wikipedia:Guide to requests for adminship, Wikipedia:Administrators' reading list, Wikipedia:Administrators, Wikipedia:Advice for RfA candidates, and User:Worm That Turned/Magic Formula. You would also find it helpful to start exploring Wikipedia:Backlog and seeing where you can help out. Having a spread of involvement across Wikipedia, not just in editing articles, is really positive - it helps you, it helps Wikipedia, and it improves your chances of becoming an admin. I note that the bulk of your article editing is in the form of stats, tables and lists. It's not a requirement that you work on prose, nor that you bring a mainly prose based article to GA standard, but these days it does help, as it indicates that you have knowledge and experience of the main aspect of Wikipedia, and this is reassuring to some members of the community. If in the next six months you can select a prose article on a topic that interests you, and work on bringing it to GA level, that would be beneficial. But if you don't manage that, it's still OK. Get in touch in six months, and I'll take a look to see how you're getting on. In the meantime if you have any queries, or need some advice on something, just get in touch. I may not always respond promptly, but I do always respond! Cheers. SilkTork ✔Tea time 14:31, 16 September 2015 (UTC)
I was able to revert your renaming to "Life on Mars?" Probably you weren't aware of the RM, which I initiated two years ago. Fortunately, I started another RM, so procedure is proper. --George Ho (talk) 02:49, 14 September 2015 (UTC)
- Thanks for letting me know. I have left a comment. SilkTork ✔Tea time 10:50, 14 September 2015 (UTC)
Request for clarification of an ArbCom decision you participated in
Hi. I have filed a Request for clarification of Remedy 2.2 of WP:ARBRAN, concerning a topic ban placed on User:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ). Since you were a member of ArbCom at the time, any insights you may wish to share about the committee's thinking would be welcome. Thanks. BMK (talk) 21:47, 14 September 2015 (UTC)
- I'll take a look, but my response may be slow, as I have a number on things on my to do list at the moment. SilkTork ✔Tea time 22:15, 14 September 2015 (UTC)
Proposed deletion of List of detainees at the Kamunting Detention Centre
The article List of detainees at the Kamunting Detention Centre has been proposed for deletion because of the following concern:
- I believe it's best to delete this article per WP:CRIME.
While all constructive contributions to Wikipedia are appreciated, content or articles may be deleted for any of several reasons.
You may prevent the proposed deletion by removing the {{proposed deletion/dated}} notice, but please explain why in your edit summary or on the article's talk page.
Please consider improving the article to address the issues raised. Removing {{proposed deletion/dated}} will stop the proposed deletion process, but other deletion processes exist. In particular, the speedy deletion process can result in deletion without discussion, and articles for deletion allows discussion to reach consensus for deletion. I dream of horses If you reply here, please ping me by adding {{Ping|I dream of horses}} to your message. (talk to me) (contributions) @ 10:15, 15 September 2015 (UTC)
- You've contacted the wrong person. Look at the article history and look at Talk:Internal Security Act (Malaysia). I removed the list from the article and placed in in a subpage of the article talkpage. It was recently moved to mainspace by User:Alexander Iskandar. I suggest you contact Alexander Iskandar to find out why they moved the list into mainspace, and if they don't have an adequate explanation, the move should be undone. SilkTork ✔Tea time 10:23, 15 September 2015 (UTC)
To follow
Hello SilkTork. I would be remiss to not acknowledge the stringency of your reply to my benevolent criticism of a comment you had posted. Although I would never intentionally hope to provoke someone to such a thorough accounting, it is clear that your response is so utterly complete that by it, you have earned the last word on the matter. And so I bring my salutations here; leaving them with the fullest measure of respect and esteem I can muster – saying thanks, and wishing you the best of all things as well. Sincerely.--John Cline (talk) 20:09, 15 September 2015 (UTC)
- I am not after having the last word, and am always open to having my views changed, or to having a chat with someone who disagrees with me. Given the amount of wordage on the topic, I felt it was appropriate to have any further discussion on the point away from the RfA otherwise my oppose starts to attract an attention I never intended. I was also uncomfortable having to reassert that I felt the candidate was deceptive. Yes, he was being deceptive, but it wasn't a malignant deception, merely a youthful, inexperienced, doubtful one. But despite it not being malignant, that he wasn't able to either stand by the commitment he had held to not edit Wikipedia (he had posted vacation and wikibreak notices on his account which indicates he was in agreement with the decision not to edit Wikipedia, and was making his formal preparations to temporarily close the account) nor renegotiate it with the authority who had asked him to stop, but instead secretly create a new account to make what are essentially trivial edits, indicates to me a behaviour that is not appropriate for the position of admin. I am perhaps stronger than most on the trustworthy aspect of the standard criteria for becoming an admin. I will overlook most things, but sneaky behaviour, albeit immature and harmless, is not one I can overlook in a potential admin. Perhaps its because when dealing with problem users over the years on Wikipedia, it's evasion and dishonesty that I have found the hardest to confront because its the most difficult to see. We can clearly see disruptive or incivil behaviour, but concealed behaviour by its nature is hard to spot! And when someone is asked about their behaviour and attempts to evade the truth, that throws up a big red flag for me - possibly the biggest flag of all. But, as I have said on the RfA, this is my view, and the nature of an RfA is we all pitch in with our views, and I don't think my place is to attempt to make others change their mind. What we want in an RfA is a range of honest individual opinions as the community is not one mind, but several. Thanks for getting back to me. SilkTork ✔Tea time 00:51, 16 September 2015 (UTC)
- I agree with everything you have written SilkTork, and the sentiments they carry as well. I never did disagreed with what you were saying; my concern was with the potential for misunderstanding the prose which seemed to be greater than necessary to me at the time. Aside all of that. I noticed that my edit to start this thread inadvertently caused the removal of large swaths of existing content from your talk page. I do not know exactly what happened with that edit, but I do firmly affirm that it was entirely unintentional. I appreciate the AGF shown on this page where I have been treated so fairly and well. Cheers.--John Cline (talk) 22:22, 16 September 2015 (UTC)
- Yes, I noticed the removal and restored it. It was clear it was an accident. It's happened to me, and it's happened to others. Sometimes without noticing one's cursor can highlight letters, words, sentences, paragraphs or entire sections, and then wipe them out with the next click. Sometimes the cursor jumps to the wrong place, and you find you've inserted text in the middle of a sentence, or in totally the wrong place. Technology - we love it, and we hate it! SilkTork ✔Tea time 00:01, 17 September 2015 (UTC)
- And yes, my prose was harsher and more strident than I normally allow. It has happened occasionally over the years that some negative emotion has escaped through the filter I normally use. And it has happened perhaps more times this year than in all the previous years combined that I've been on Wikipedia. I'm aware of it, and will strive to do better moving forward. Thank you for gently pointing it out. SilkTork ✔Tea time 00:08, 17 September 2015 (UTC)
- I agree with everything you have written SilkTork, and the sentiments they carry as well. I never did disagreed with what you were saying; my concern was with the potential for misunderstanding the prose which seemed to be greater than necessary to me at the time. Aside all of that. I noticed that my edit to start this thread inadvertently caused the removal of large swaths of existing content from your talk page. I do not know exactly what happened with that edit, but I do firmly affirm that it was entirely unintentional. I appreciate the AGF shown on this page where I have been treated so fairly and well. Cheers.--John Cline (talk) 22:22, 16 September 2015 (UTC)
I don't know whether you noticed, but I reverted the de-disambiguating. You should initiate the RM right away. --George Ho (talk) 02:20, 16 September 2015 (UTC)
- No, I hadn't noticed. I am surprised you did that, but I'm not going to pursue the matter. We clearly have different views on how to follow policy. In my view if you wish to change policy you should initiate a discussion on the policy page. Your approach appears to be to change policy with live edits. Either method is ok, though to ensure consistency and stability and to reduce confusion and misinformed page moves I would suggest as you feel strongly on this matter that you do seek clarification on the article title policy page. SilkTork ✔Tea time 08:23, 16 September 2015 (UTC)
Adoption
Hello SilkTork, you contacted me sometime back for RfA. Please see this. I am looking for adoption by an admin for my better understanding. Can you help? Thanks, Arun Kumar SINGH (Talk) 12:13, 16 September 2015 (UTC)
- I have set up a page at User:SilkTork/Chicha/Potential admin chat/AKS.9955 where we can chat. I am busy elsewhere at the moment, but I have the page watchlisted and will always respond to queries, even if it may be slow at times. SilkTork ✔Tea time 09:14, 29 September 2015 (UTC)
Charinsert
Hi SilkTork. Just checking in to see if you got my ping at WP:VPT [2] regarding the query you posted at the Helpdesk. Regards -185.108.128.12 (talk) 17:33, 16 September 2015 (UTC)
When did Mary Phagan arrive in Leo Frank's office?
Leo Frank actually changed the timing four times that he told people 13-year-old Little Mary Phagan allegedly had had entered his second floor window-front business office at the National Pencil Company on Georgia Confederate Memorial Day, Saturday April 26, 1913. Which one should we use for the article? What do we do in a situation where the protagonist gives us 4 distinct times? Do we pick the one that benefits or incriminates him?
1. On Sunday morning, April 27, 1913, standing in his office, Frank told first responders (Atlanta police) that Phagan had had arrived in his office yesterday at 12:03 p.m. April 26, 1913. (see: People v. Leo Frank documentary by Ben Loeterman and Steve Oney; Leo Frank trial brief of evidence, 1913).
2. On Monday morning, April 28, 1913, at the Atlanta stationhouse in an interrogation room, surrounded by police detectives and witnessed by his elite attorneys Luther Rosser (Governor John Slaton's lawpartner) and Herbert Haas, that Frank said Phagan had had arrived in his office on Georgia Confederate Memorial Day between 12:05 p.m. to 12:10 p.m. maybe 12:07 p.m. This unsworn statement was stenographed by Gay C. Febuary and became State’s Exhibit B at the Leo Frank trial (Q and A published in Atlanta Constitution, August 2nd 1913 at The Internet Archive).
3. On Monday, May 5th and Thursday May 8th, 1913, Frank told the Coroner’s jury that on the day of the murder, Phagan had had arrived in his office between 12:10 p.m to 12:15 p.m. (Atlanta Constitution, Atlanta Georgian & Atlanta Journal, May, 1913).
4. On Monday, August 18, 1913, Frank mounted the witness stand at his trial, made an unsworn oral statement to the jury and said that Phagan had had arrived in his office between 12:12 p.m to 12:17 p.m. (Leo Frank’s statement to the jury on August 18, 1913, trial brief of evidence, 1913).
Which one should we use for the article? or all of them? SmittyLiver (talk) 12:01, 17 September 2015 (UTC)
- This is more suited to Talk:Leo_Frank where I have responded. SilkTork ✔Tea time 09:19, 29 September 2015 (UTC)
Talkback
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