User talk:ShabbyHoose

Wikipedia and copyright

Hello ShabbyHoose! Your additions to Economic diplomacy have been removed in whole or in part, as they appear to have added copyrighted content without evidence that the source material is in the public domain or has been released by its owner or legal agent under a suitably free and compatible copyright license. (To request such a release, see Wikipedia:Requesting copyright permission.) While we appreciate your contributions to Wikipedia, there are certain things you must keep in mind about using information from sources to avoid copyright and plagiarism issues.

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It's very important that contributors understand and follow these practices, as policy requires that people who persistently do not must be blocked from editing. If you have any questions about this, please ask them here on this page, or leave a message on my talk page. Thank you. — Diannaa (talk) 21:46, 14 August 2023 (UTC)

@Diannaa Thanks for letting me know. I took the paragraph and block quote verbatim from the book's own page. On my phone so working from memory, but I think the exact quote (the only part I added being at the start "In his best-selling book... says...") has been on the page regarding the book for quite some time now so I assumed if consensus was it wasn't a copyright issue on page A then it wouldn't be on page B. Would this be a correct assumption? Not a loaded question, I am relatively new to editing and don't have much time on my hands so I've still got a lot of policy to get my head around. If one or both are in violation of copyright, what's an acceptable amount of 'trim'? I believe it adds important substance to the article on an aspect that previously went unmentioned, so I would like to include it in some way or form. Thanks again for reaching out and explaining the policy! ShabbyHoose (talk) 20:52, 16 August 2023 (UTC)

@Diannaa I think there may be an error here.

The cited copyright owner, per the article link in edit summary, wrote the article in April 2023, long after the contested text first appeared on Wikipedia itself, on the book's page. The article precedes its content pertaining to the book with the statement "As per Wikipedia..."

Additionally, web searches, to the best of my ability, turn up no older sources for this text than the book's Wikipedia article itself, suggesting that the text originated here on Wikipedia and not on this third-party site nor anywhere else, thus there should be no copyright issue with it.

It appears that the website may be copying (with attribution) Wikipedia's text, rather than the other way around.

Again, relatively new and lacking experience, so if I've missed something here, I apologise in advance for any inconvenience caused. ShabbyHoose (talk) 21:34, 16 August 2023 (UTC)

The text you added was present in the article Confessions of an Economic Hit Man prior to its publication in The Asian Age. It's okay to copy from one Wikipedia article to another, but you have to give attribution so that our readers are made aware that you copied the prose rather than wrote it yourself. It's also required under the terms of the license (and helps prevent this kind of mistake on the part of patrollers). Please see WP:Copying within Wikipedia for more information on this topic. Sorry for the mistake. — Diannaa (talk) 01:06, 17 August 2023 (UTC)

@Diannaa thank you! No need to apologise, the mistake was mine by not following the correct procedure, which caused confusion. Thanks again for the help and I will refer to the procedure document if/when I do it again in future! ShabbyHoose (talk) 14:53, 17 August 2023 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Barnstar of Diligence
	Thank you for your fight for neutrality on the Firehose of falsehood page. Advocating against government funded think-tanks is difficult, and I appreciate your effort. Quack Redesign (talk) 08:54, 7 February 2024 (UTC)