User talk:ScottishFinnishRadish/Archive 10

Top User

Hey Reddish, you may not be a Top User, but I'm pretty sure you're at least Silver Premier. OhNoitsJamie ^Talk 18:46, 27 August 2022 (UTC)

I'm kind of a big deal, actually. Does the Silver Premier come with free 100 mile tows and roadside assistance, or do I need Platinum Club for that?

I'm not sure why people keep getting my name wrong. Someone mentioned me in a blog post and called me ScottishFinnishRadio, for some reason. At least the Victoria Asher fans got my name right. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 20:01, 27 August 2022 (UTC)

Ohnoitsjamie, can I cash in some Silver Premier points for a quick block of Shaheed Ibrahim Berro (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · nuke contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)? ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 20:16, 27 August 2022 (UTC)

Someone beat me to it, but I will be happy to redeem Block Bucks© at a future date. OhNoitsJamie ^Talk 20:40, 27 August 2022 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Anti-Vandalism Barnstar
	Thank you for mitigating the damage from that person ---Lilach5 (לילך5) discuss 20:33, 27 August 2022 (UTC)

Thanks. Glad to help out, and at least when I got involved this time you didn't end up blocked! ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 20:50, 27 August 2022 (UTC)

That is a definite plus, 😂. ---Lilach5 (לילך5) discuss 20:53, 27 August 2022 (UTC)

Question RfC

Hello. Thank you for closing the RfC on 2020 Ganja missile attacks!

A conflict has arisen following the closure of the RfC, which I hoped you could help clarify. Following the closure, I removed the sentence The missile attacks happened one week after Azerbaijan began firing cluster bombs and missiles against Armenian civilian areas in Stepanakert. from the lead, as well as the On 27 September 2020, Azerbaijan began firing cluster bombs and missiles against civilian areas in the bombardment of Stepanakert. sentence from the Background section as they're basically the same sentences with a few changes words. Since then, another editor reverted the removal of the 2nd sentence from the Background section, with the reason that the sentences are not completely the same. I believe they're essentially the same thing with different, extra wording, and the initial conflict which led to the RfC was about both of the sentences. Can you give your opinion on the matter here? Thanks. A b r v a g l ^(PingMe) 11:09, 29 August 2022 (UTC)

Request for re-review

Good day, Sir! I have provided all of the necessary references needed in the Draft:Hello, World! (EP). Can you please re-review it? I have been waiting for it a month ago, 35 days to be exact. Thank you. Jpmagabo9 (talk) 14:42, 25 August 2022 (UTC)

I looked at it, and I think it's likely OK, due to placing on the Circle Charts, but I'm not completely familiar with all of the vagaries of which charts and placements apply for presumed notability. I noted the draft, and left it open so someone else can take a look. If it's unreviewed for a while longer I'll take another look. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 11:22, 26 August 2022 (UTC)

Thank you, Sir. If it's not too much, could you please also take a look in another draft? The title is Draft:Xdinary Heroes, it's also unreviewed for a little while. Thank you. Jpmagabo9 (talk) 01:23, 27 August 2022 (UTC)

Pinging Jpmagabo9. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 11:27, 26 August 2022 (UTC)

I accepted the draft based on WP:NALBUM #2, and the article on the band should be okay as well per WP:NBAND #2 as well. It's currently a redirect, however. Not sure if the ideal is to just write over the redirect, or have the redirect deleted and accept the draft normally. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 11:15, 30 August 2022 (UTC)

Xdinary

I've deleted the article so you are welcome to accept the draft. Primefac (talk) 12:42, 30 August 2022 (UTC)

Thank you kindly. I was a bit tied up, and actually edit conflicted when I tried to speedy it. I appreciate the assistance. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 12:46, 30 August 2022 (UTC)

Enemies list

Looking at ur arch-enemies list on ur talk page rn:

El_C

Jehochman

Jane Fonda

John F. Kennedy

Carl Bernste-- Hey! This is Richard Nixon's enemies list! You just crossed out his name and put yours!! Stephanie921 (talk) 13:50, 4 September 2022 (UTC)

Heh, I don't think I've seen that but of the Simpsons, somehow. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 14:04, 4 September 2022 (UTC)

Taino RFC

Hi SFR thanks for your closure would you be able to put a comment on what consensus there is for the lead sentence? Ie. The Taino are a people vs were a people. Or other option. Cheers Poketama (talk) 23:26, 4 September 2022 (UTC)

Poketama, there was very little discussion in the actual RFC dealing with the lead, so there's not enough there to read any sort of consensus from it. The RFC was a bit broad and undefined, which leads to gaps in responses like that.

In the future you would be better served to narrow things, and for something like the wording in the lead have some discussion about possible wording ahead of time so there specific options to choose from. That makes it much easier to establish a consensus. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 23:38, 4 September 2022 (UTC)

Thankyou! Poketama (talk) 01:44, 5 September 2022 (UTC)

Board of Trustees election

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QuantV fucks himself

Huge news! Yesterday, it was discovered that QuantV, the developer of one of the best GTA5 mods out there, had malicious code that could enable him to remotely wipe ALL drives on any of the thousands of paying users, from which he was earning $35,000 a month. But now he's done, as pretty much everyone uninstalled it. His response: it's not there. Except it is.

The tragic part is that QuantV makes the RAGE-8 engine look so damn good. Check out QuantV in 4K. Anyway, so now he's facing a different kind of RAGE — that of his former customers. And he might even face criminal charges. Just bizarre. El_C 04:29, 6 September 2022 (UTC)

Back in the MUD days, it was really common to put stuff like that in your source. Either remote wiping or snooping. Code base theft was a big issue, and that was kind of how it self policed. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 11:04, 6 September 2022 (UTC)

That is what many folks were saying, that it was for piracy enforcement. Regardless, super-illegal. Either way, he really fucked himself (income, reputation), but also potentially the entire modding community. Because there are other mods of comparable quality (for eg., Spaceboy uses a different one), so hopefully Rockstar doesn't hammer all of em (probably not). And damn, can you believe RAGE-8 has been around for a decade now? I'd say that RAGE-9 is just around the corner, but I'll probably just jinx it. Oops! El_C 13:44, 6 September 2022 (UTC)

Is it actually illegal? I'm sure there is some hold harmless agreement or something else in the user agreement that would cover that. It's no worse than any of the crazy spyware and rootkit shit Sony has done. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 13:47, 6 September 2022 (UTC)

Oh, it's very illegal, regardless if there was some weird user agreement (which I don't think there was). Not familiar with the Sony thing, or at least I'm not immediately recollecting it. El_C 13:53, 6 September 2022 (UTC)

September 2022

Hello, I'm Jax 0677. I noticed that you made a comment on the page Wikipedia:Biographies_of_living_persons/Noticeboard#2022_pregnancy_of_a_10-year-old_in_Ohio that didn't seem very civil, so it may have been removed. Wikipedia is built on collaboration, so it's one of our core principles to interact with one another in a polite and respectful manner. If you have any questions, you can leave me a message on my talk page. Thank you. -- Jax 0677 (talk) 12:13, 6 September 2022 (UTC)

Can you identify who I was not civil to? Was it the 10 year old participant in a rape resulting in pregnancy, or the one suspect who may or not be related the abortion outcome? ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 12:16, 6 September 2022 (UTC)

"Holy shit, that is the worst infobox I've seen on Wikipedia" and "Event type pregnancy, participants... Jesus Christ" was not civil to ME. Also, please {{ping}} me when you reply. -- Jax 0677 (talk) 12:44, 6 September 2022 (UTC)

Jax 0677, it was commentary directly on content with no mention of any user. The infobox listed a ten year old girl as a participant in her own rape, and the rest of the infobox provided no usable context that could easily be misread. It was quite literally the worst infobox that I've seen on Wikipedia. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 12:47, 6 September 2022 (UTC)

Jax 0677, that infobox is so, so much worse than any conceivable civility breach. And seeing as it was you who created it (diff), how about you reflect on your own actions rather than wave CIVIL around. I'm not even gonna mention WP:DTTR, but if you post frivolous warnings like these again, you will be sanctioned. Wow. El_C 13:25, 6 September 2022 (UTC)

Reply - The way that the comment was written was inflammatory, and I filled in the infobox accurately. It should have been trimmed, not deleted. I did not know SFR was a regular. --Jax 0677 (talk) 13:36, 6 September 2022 (UTC)

Jax 0677, so you think that listing a ten year old girl as a participant in the rape that made her pregnant was accurate? ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 13:42, 6 September 2022 (UTC)

Reply - By definition, yes. However, i removed this on the second go round. Jax 0677 (talk) 13:48, 6 September 2022 (UTC)

By definition, no. WTF? El_C 14:00, 6 September 2022 (UTC)

Also, you may notice above that I'm a Silver Premier user. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 13:44, 6 September 2022 (UTC)

Wait, I always though you were the Radish with the combustible lemons! Sideswipe9th (talk) 13:50, 6 September 2022 (UTC)

I'm a pacifist, I wouldn't burn life's house down. I might shake my head with disappointment, though. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 13:54, 6 September 2022 (UTC)

Hey, don't steal my thing! El_C 13:57, 6 September 2022 (UTC)

You posted it to Wikipedia. Your thing is now Creative Commons property. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 13:59, 6 September 2022 (UTC)

Jax 0677, that infobox was inflammatory to-the-extreme, so again, maybe focus on that rather than act defensively and otherwise try to tone police while also missing the mark. El_C 13:48, 6 September 2022 (UTC)

Reply - WP:BITE. -- Jax 0677 (talk) 15:09, 6 September 2022 (UTC)

Yes, do not bite newcomers, they may not know better. I agree. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 15:11, 6 September 2022 (UTC)

You're not a newbie and definitely should know better. PICKLEDICAE🥒 15:12, 6 September 2022 (UTC)

Jax 0677, you've been here since 2008, you are not new. So stop deflecting; it is discreditable. I am warning you again. Stop. El_C 15:14, 6 September 2022 (UTC)

Good grief. SFR was a lot more "polite" than I would have been; I'd have left a do-this-again-and-I-will-block-you message. I'm still contemplating one. The only thing worse than implicating a 10-year-old in their own rape is doubling down when you're told what you've done. Vanamonde (Talk) 17:15, 6 September 2022 (UTC)

Agreed. A lengthy WP:CHILDPROTECT block, probably indef, is certainly due in this instance and perhaps should be imposed with immediate effect. They've already been blocked twice this year, so that's telling.

This is so bizarre and disturbing, to exhibit such a profound lack of self-awareness, and then have it repeated again with an absurd CIVIL warning, and then yet even further absurd justifications. I just can't wrap my mind around what would compel a person to act in such an acutely discreditable way, and I doubt I ever will. El_C 17:48, 6 September 2022 (UTC)

Yeah, I'm going to leave a warning, and I'm sorely tempted to block until this editor, who I've never come across that I recall, recognizes they shouldn't have written what they did. They did have the sense to recognize that a suspect's name shouldn't be included, so they aren't bereft of common sense; but the infobox is truly baffling. I'm about to log off, so I'd rather not impose a block myself; it'd be harder to justify. Vanamonde (Talk) Vanamonde (Talk) 18:05, 6 September 2022 (UTC)

Indeed, the only reason I didn't immediately indef block them was because they made that aforementioned WP:OVERSIGHT request. Still, it's just too much. El_C 18:18, 6 September 2022 (UTC)

Thanks for the help, it's appreciated. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 19:11, 6 September 2022 (UTC)

Closure of external-links icon discussion

Hi there, ScottishFinnishRadish! I just recently noticed your close at Wikipedia:Village pump (proposals) § RfC: Should we use the longstanding external links icon or the new one? and was a bit surprised at some of the conclusions, so I wanted to check in with you in line with WP:CLOSE. The close suggested that there was:

• consensus to use the original icon;
• "weaker consensus" that the original icon isn't very good; and
• consensus "that the community would prefer approving a new icon, or having input on the design, before implementation."

Just doing a quick headcount of everyone in the discussion, this is what I came up with:

Comment	Sub-total	Total
Use original icon	9	9
Use new icon when the rendering issue is resolved	6	11
Use new icon	5
Did not express a view on the icon, but feels this should not be a local decision	5	5
"WP:BIKESHED, WP:BRD"	1	1
"This is clearly premature"	1	1
"Reconsider when they want to re-add, if we care"	1	1
Did not express a view on the icon, but feels this should be a local decision	1	1

I could be off by a couple in any direction (it was fairly late last night that I counted it), so do let me know if you had significantly different totals.

Now I'm pretty sure that it was at least a few days ago (sometime prior to the close) that the new icon – presumably with appropriate modifications to assist with rendering at various sizes – was reinstated. That being the case, I certainly wouldn't interpret the discussion as leading to a consensus to use the original icon. If there is any consensus on that question, I would be more inclined to say the opposite, considering that the outcome desired by those who "did not express a view on the icon, but [feel] this should not be a local decision" is (both now and at the time of the close) effectively the same as those advocating the new icon or a slightly modified version thereof.

On the latter question – whether "the community would prefer approving a new icon, or having input on the design, before implementation" – I hope I'm correct in understanding that "the community" refers to the local (English Wikipedia) community (rather than the community on Phabricator or Meta-Wiki). Given that understanding, I don't think there was a consensus on this question. Few people expressed a view one way or another on the procedural issue, and of those who did, they were still pretty split on it. And I wouldn't assume that anyone who expressed a view on the icon without explicitly providing a view on the procedural question necessarily felt that this must be addressed locally. Quite reasonably, many people just provided their take on the substantive issue placed before the Village Pump without considering whether the issue was ultra vires (or, if not ultra vires, whether it was desirable that the decision be made locally).

For these reasons, I am wondering if you would be willing to reconsider your closure. Thanks for your consideration. Graham (talk) 00:24, 7 September 2022 (UTC)

I'm certainly willing to rescind my close, doesn't matter overmuch to me in this circumstance. However, I'm not convinced by your argument or reading of consensus. I don't have the spreadsheet and notes I used, so I just took another quick glance over, and I'm reading a dozen or so in support of the old icon with a significant number of comments that lend more weight to the status quo. I think a lot of that comes down to what you're reading as use the new icon when the rendering issue is fixed. For instance While I don't like the old icon much and will not shed a tear when it gets replaced by something better, the new icon sort of breaks when I decrease my font size. (Just tested on zhwiki, which has the new xlink icon but the old PDF icon). I am hoping we'll see a third icon that is better than both soon. reads to me as "maintain the status quo, and I'd like to see a new option" with no caveat to use the new icon at any point.

I read the discussion as a plurality in support of the status quo, nothing very close in total support, and the status quo requiring a positive consensus to change, which did not exist.

I thought the wish for the local community to have input or consultation was clear on it's face, since the was no consensus to change to a new icon in the RFC and the unilateral change spurred that much discussion. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 00:48, 7 September 2022 (UTC)

Regarding the quoted comment by Kusma, I just looked over my notes from yesterday. It looks like I put an asterisk next to their name to remind myself to come back to it, along with a note to self reading "neither; wants new icon that works", but I didn't come back to it. (I'm sorry – mea culpa. *self-trout*) That is the only name with an asterisk, and I didn't count it in the table. If I had remembered to include it, I would have given it its own row in the table for the sake of a neutral headcount (as you can see I did for three other comments that were more challenging to categorize).

I thought the wish for the local community to have input or consultation was clear on it's face, since the was no consensus to change to a new icon in the RFC and the unilateral change spurred that much discussion. Some felt that way, but I certainly don't see how we could positively say that there was a consensus to that effect (especially when, if you count the three "WP:BIKESHED" comments mentioned in the footnote, there were at least six comments saying that this shouldn't be a local decision).

I'm certainly willing to rescind my close, doesn't matter overmuch to me in this circumstance. I would certainly be more comfortable if you were to do so. I'm willing to go over my count person by person if you feel it to be necessary. Graham (talk) 01:40, 7 September 2022 (UTC)

I think at this point a closure review might be a better idea. Rather than playing closer roulette, we can see if the community thinks it was a reasonable closure. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 01:48, 7 September 2022 (UTC)

Notes

Thank You

Thank you for removing the vandalism from my talk page. Much appreciated! MaskedSinger (talk) 07:15, 8 September 2022 (UTC)

Glad to help. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 22:46, 8 September 2022 (UTC)

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Request

Hello Sir, How to add new article on Wikipedia? DrhSR (talk) 00:06, 11 September 2022 (UTC)

Please follow the instructions for submitting an article at WP:AFC. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 00:11, 11 September 2022 (UTC)

Calm Gardens

	Ixtal's Calm Garden
	I invite you to visit calmer articles/noticeboards if the recent interactions have increased your wikistress. Have a good week! — Ixtal ( T / C ) ⁂ Non nobis solum. 20:09, 6 September 2022 (UTC)

Don't worry about me, I'm stress free. Thanks for the thought though. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 20:11, 6 September 2022 (UTC)

Ixtal, on the topic of calm gardens, after almost two years I'm finally starting to get a reasonable number of shiitake mushrooms from some oak logs I inoculated. Also, so far up to 2 gallons of tomato soup, a gallon and a half of tomato sauce, a gallon and a half of salsa, and still some more tomatoes on the vine. It's getting pretty late in the season, but hopefully more ripen up. All the winter squash are doing well too, so should get a great crop on them. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 22:52, 8 September 2022 (UTC)

That sounds like a fantastic bunch of vegetables. Tomatoes tend to be very rewarding to grow oneself (my family used to do so in our tiny garden). — Ixtal ^{( T / C )} ⁂ Non nobis solum. 23:05, 8 September 2022 (UTC)

It's a vegetable that benefits far more than others from being fresh. They also benefit hugely from never being refrigerated. And I benefit from having fresh tomato for tomato sandwiches all summer long. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 23:09, 8 September 2022 (UTC)

I like Pa amb tomàquet with toppings as my go-to tomato sandwich. Genuinely unbeatable if the bread, tomatoes, and oil are good quality. — Ixtal ^{( T / C )} ⁂ Non nobis solum. 15:05, 11 September 2022 (UTC)

I'm more of this style. A nice sourdough, tomato, mayo, salt sand pepper. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 15:27, 11 September 2022 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

		The Patroller's Barnstar
		For you tireless efforts in answering edit requests! You do terrific work and I hope this is the right barnstar.. I know this may not include patrolling edit requests but you're always on top of it and it's great to see! SPF121188 (talk this way) (contribs) 20:24, 9 September 2022 (UTC)

Thanks! I appreciate it. I assume that barnstar applies, and I don't see any police around. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 20:45, 9 September 2022 (UTC)

Weeooo weeooo weeeooo. Cops here. We approve. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 20:51, 9 September 2022 (UTC)

Thank goodness, I don't need to be slapped with a trout :) Either way, well deserved!! SPF121188 ^{(talk this way) (contribs)} 20:56, 9 September 2022 (UTC)

Closure

I think I should elaborate a bit further regarding my disagreement with Talk:2020_Ganja_missile_attacks#RfC:_Ganja_missile_attacks as it's broader than just the article body part, and since you're the closer I'll comment here if you don't mind. I'd like to point out that it's WP:NOTAVOTE, literally every single user that voted Option 2 is an Azeri user including two admins from the az-wiki and another with special privileges on the az-wiki, , so there was no actual third party input and the result should be no consensus/status quo. Additionally, user StellarNerd seems to be the only user from the wider Wikipedia community that participated, and they supported Option 1. ZaniGiovanni (talk) 15:28, 29 August 2022 (UTC)

I'm extremely hesitant to discount RFC input based on the nationality of editors. If you're concerned about meatpuppetry that should be addressed at ANI. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 16:41, 29 August 2022 (UTC)

ZaniGiovanni, if you're concerned feel free to open a challenge closure at WP:AN and lay out your concerns about the participants there.

All of the editors who responded, excepting one, are fairly long term with a significant amount of edits. Simply being from an area does create a situation where you cannot respond in good faith to an RFC dealing with a conflict involving that area, so unless there was actual nefarious behavior there is no reason to discount or devalue any of the responses. Taking that into account, there is no reading of that RFC that I can imagine that isn't a consensus against inclusion. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 21:24, 29 August 2022 (UTC)

The very first sentence of the WP:RfC states that it “is a process for requesting outside input concerning disputes”. There was no third party vote against inclusion. ZaniGiovanni (talk) 14:40, 2 September 2022 (UTC)

If you believe the close was in error feel free to request a closure review at WP:AN. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 16:23, 2 September 2022 (UTC)

Done. ZaniGiovanni (talk) 20:50, 14 September 2022 (UTC)

Rfa

Hi @ScottishFinnishRadish: I see your going through Rfa. When are you planning to start? scope_creep^Talk 16:23, 11 September 2022 (UTC)

Just waiting on the other co-nom to add their statement, so pretty soon I hope. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 16:33, 11 September 2022 (UTC)

Scope creep, game on. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 22:01, 12 September 2022 (UTC)

It's happening?! 👀 👀 👀 Sideswipe9th (talk) 22:05, 12 September 2022 (UTC)

Yeah, apparently. I guess we'll see how it goes. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 22:09, 12 September 2022 (UTC)

Well this is going about as well as I expected. One of the replies to Vanamonde93 I made when they first approached me was For RfA, there's also the fact that a decent number of editors I've interacted with believe I'm a sock. Again, if you saw my earlier OS emails, before I made an email address for wiki-business, you saw my real name, so you can reasonably assume I'm not a deep-cover operative, but that doesn't really prove anything, especially to people who don't have that information. Even after emailing my personal information to Arbcom when Spartaz accused me of being a sock I still ended up blocked, and had to disclose my employer to UTRS. A couple little things like that and the Arbcom case can easily swamp an RfA. I'm some sort of psychic. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 13:11, 13 September 2022 (UTC)

You're too good to be true! I wish that you beat the odds ;) Nxavar (talk) 13:44, 13 September 2022 (UTC)

Well, that's a good quality for an admin. You have my vote, and I voted for Cullen, Nick Moyes and valereee. And Eostrix, sure. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 14:33, 13 September 2022 (UTC)

I found both the socking concerns (my first ever registered edit contained not one, but 2 Wikilinks. Not that hard.) and the too much time on talk argument (I first encountered you SPER patrolling. I know why you have majority talk.) unconvincing. FrederalBacon (talk) 18:20, 13 September 2022 (UTC)

If we're playing "sketchy editing history bingo"; my first edit was literally to an article called God Help the Outcasts, my second and fourth were creating my user and user talk pages, my fifth was a lengthy talk page comment (that nobody has replied to in four years) w/a signature, my sixth was adding a citation needed template, I posted to the Teahouse without prompting and then proceeded to fix a lot of typos at Wikipedia:Typo Team/moss... yet no one ever has accused me of being a sock. I realize that all of this looks sketchy in retrospect, but seriously. I'm glad people AGF'd in their interactions with me. I think it's unfair that a lot of opposes blatantly suggest you could be a sock when there's plenty of evidence to prove otherwise. One of the suggested edits given to new editors nowadays is adding wikilinks... it's not that hard to figure out. Clovermoss (talk) 19:10, 13 September 2022 (UTC)

It's more concerning to me that despite our common assertion that competence is required, when an editor is competent from the beginning, there's a baseless suspicion of being a sock. There are people contributing now who weren't even born when the project started, it isn't unfathomable that someone would be wiki familiar (or, you know, a quick study) before they start editing. FrederalBacon (talk) 22:20, 13 September 2022 (UTC)

I am one of the "weren't even born when the project was started" people. I turned 20 a week and a half ago :) As I said in the RfA, editing Wikipedia isn't rocket science. I figured out Wikipedia as a 16 year old and I figured out wikiHow when I was 12. In regards to competence... sometimes it feels like the odds are stacked against every new editor nowadays. They either aren't doing things right (and thus shouldn't be here) or they're doing things right (which leads people to think they can't possibly be a new editor). Shouldn't we want more people who actually read instructions? I'm really surprised (in a bad way) at how many people are openly speculating about ScottishFinnishRadish being a sock... what happened to AGF? Clovermoss (talk) 22:29, 13 September 2022 (UTC)

I think that a lot of people may be having a hard time even starting on Wikipedia, despite plenty of efforts to help our newcomers. Biting still happens, and quite often from my experience. I'm just sad that even when we have some talented newbies out there, we accuse them of being a sock. Likewise, if you're a screw-up on your first few edits, you can get run off the site over one unpleasant experience. The community is perhaps becoming a little too jaded over what can stand. I think a little AGF is desperately needed in an atmosphere like this. CollectiveSolidarity (talk) 00:40, 14 September 2022 (UTC)

@CollectiveSolidarity Mostly agreed. I think people are capable of teaching themselves of what Wikipedia is about but at the same time, a lot of this information isn't nessecarily easy to navigate and there's a relatively high barrier to entry. I've been thinking about this a lot the past few months. There's a massive discussion on my talk page that kind of goes into this (and even has WMF staff participating, although that's mostly been in response to my feedback about the android app, the discussion kind of went in a million directions). Clovermoss (talk) 07:19, 14 September 2022 (UTC)

"Even after emailing my personal information to Arbcom when Spartaz accused me of being a sock I still ended up blocked". According to the logs, you have never been blocked. Am I just being dense? Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 12:20, 14 September 2022 (UTC)

He was briefly caught by an IP block, I assume that's what he's referring to. Vanamonde (Talk) 12:33, 14 September 2022 (UTC)

Yeah, it was an IP block, but due to concerns they didn't want to give me an ipbe. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 13:02, 14 September 2022 (UTC)

Ritchie333, Here is the discussion. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 13:10, 14 September 2022 (UTC)

Got it, I was being dense. Figures. ;-) Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 17:31, 14 September 2022 (UTC)

No worries, I had to find that discussion for Vanamonde93 as well. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 18:09, 14 September 2022 (UTC)

Bridget edit request

Heh, we both seemed to hit publish there at the same time! Sideswipe9th (talk) 20:15, 14 September 2022 (UTC)

Weird that it didn't create an edit conflict. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 20:17, 14 September 2022 (UTC)

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Hang in there!

Hi, Radish! I have been following your RfA and I want to encourage you to keep your hopes up. It looks like it is headed for a crat chat, but I suspect that will turn out well for you. So many of the oppose votes are based on speculation and rumor, or on the idea that a year and a half here (with 30,000 edits) still somehow isn't "long enough". Anyhow, we need more root vegetables in the admin corps! MelanieN (talk) 15:14, 17 September 2022 (UTC)

Thanks for the optimism. Here's to hoping! ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 15:51, 17 September 2022 (UTC)

I will take it to the next level: dude, sure looks to me like you got this… cheers! Jusdafax (talk) 04:44, 19 September 2022 (UTC)

I guess we'll see, 12 hours and a cratchat left. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 09:27, 19 September 2022 (UTC)

Revdel

Hi there. :-) I would urge you to review the revdel criteria in more detail, as your RFA answer indicates you would use it in more circumstances than I think appropriate. I'm not going to back off my support, but it does raise concerns for me. Thanks. :) SarekOfVulcan (talk) 17:50, 19 September 2022 (UTC)

I read the documentation before leaping in so much that it has drawn suspicion, so rest easy knowing I'll be rereading all the applicable policies before taking any actions. I'm interested to hear what concerns you have so I can take them on board for consideration while I reread the policies. You also have the goggles, so if you'd like, at some point, I can email you some of the borderline cases I've sent up. All of that of course depends on the outcome, which is far from certain. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 18:08, 19 September 2022 (UTC)

Well, with I finally knew I was a homosexual and it was ok..., I would definitely have declined that as run-of-the-mill vandalism. I probably would have looked at the editor's other recent comments to see if a block was called for, but I think that removing it from the visible text would have been sufficient remedy. (Otoh, if the slur had been "pedophile" instead, that I might well have RDed - that sort of accusation can ruin lives more thoroughly than the other.) I probably would have just reverted the Veronica Ivy edit request, instead of RDing it like Thryduulf did. I don't know, I'm probably not the best person to be giving advice on how to admin. Good luck! SarekOfVulcan (talk) 18:37, 19 September 2022 (UTC)

AIV decline

Thanks for cluing me in. However, admins should not be having to be learning about this after the fact. The bots and the filter are sometimes there enough to mention this ... they should have been here. Because without context I have to go on good faith ... Daniel Case (talk) 21:47, 19 September 2022 (UTC)

No worries. With the number of niche LTAs around it happens. I think the reason it wasn't as obvious was because a lot of their normal targets are blocked right now. I thought the cointelpro edit was regular vandalism until I saw the superstar edit. I don't normally template them, just report to aiv. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 21:54, 19 September 2022 (UTC)

Daniel Case, pinging in case you're not watching. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 21:55, 19 September 2022 (UTC)

They tripped Filter 1131, which specifically notes that it's to prevent edits from this LTA. Not sure if you can seen the filter though? It's set to hidden.-- Jezebel's Ponyo^{bons mots} 22:02, 19 September 2022 (UTC)

Also meant for Daniel Case, whom I also failed to ping.-- Jezebel's Ponyo^{bons mots} 22:04, 19 September 2022 (UTC)

I can see it, but in the filter reports I usually look at the topmost one, and at the other ones only if there's a lot (Also for what action the filter decides to take ... if it's a "Warn", then I'll look at that one (Maybe ones geared to a particular LTA should result in that action?). The minimal activity here was something that motivated my response (also, at the time, the edits to COINTELPRO had not yet been made).

It seems that maybe we should find some better way of highlighting the possibility of an LTA being turned up by the filter. Daniel Case (talk) 22:10, 19 September 2022 (UTC)

Best wishes from Clovermoss

Root vegetable courage

Hi ScottishFinnishRadish! I noticed that the 7 days are finally over but that your RfA is still pending closure/potential crat chat. I just wanted to say that regardless of what happens, I think you demonstrated tremendous courage in sticking this out. I couldn't figure out a good barnstar for this so I figured I'd make my own featuring a radish. :) Clovermoss (talk) 22:47, 19 September 2022 (UTC)

Thanks, much appreciated. I'll definitely be glad when it's actually closed, though. Quite the ride. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 22:49, 19 September 2022 (UTC)

Yeah, it has been. Geez. I think that's the most questions I've ever seen in an RfA. Let alone everything else. I can't imagine what it'd be like to spend an entire week like this, so you have my utmost sympathies. Closure of some kind will probrably help. Clovermoss (talk) 22:54, 19 September 2022 (UTC)

That must have been grueling for you. I was unhappy and disappointed with the tone of some of the opposes. I don't know if you are a drinker, but if you are, you deserve a double bourbon on the rocks, or whatever your favorite is. Cullen328 (talk) 22:58, 19 September 2022 (UTC)

The State of Kentucky offers several good cask-strength options. What could happen to an Old-fashioned? Chris Troutman (talk) 23:01, 19 September 2022 (UTC)

I think I have some bitters left, but I'm more of a straight bourbon guy. Before we got married my wife bought me a 5 liter barrel to keep bourbon in, and even putting in a middling quality gives a pretty smooth drink after a few weeks. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 23:04, 19 September 2022 (UTC)

Also, Chris troutman, at least it didn't come down to 74.98 percent like I was expecting. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 23:06, 19 September 2022 (UTC)

I'm enjoying a Shipyard Smashed Pumpkin Ale right now, which is 9%. My father in law got me a nice bottle of Bulleit bourbon for my birthday, and I'm thinking I may pop the cork on that as well. Many of the opposes were insightful and helpful, but others, not so much. And now I get to wait on the crat chat to start. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 23:02, 19 September 2022 (UTC)

It's started, so at least that part's over. Clovermoss (talk) 01:56, 20 September 2022 (UTC)

I appears that Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/Tamzin had 36 questions, of which 30 were answered. Speaking of Tamzin, she has stated in her RfA debrief that the 'crat chat was the easiest part. I do not envy her RfA (or any RfA, for that matter). But I hope knowing that this is the "easy" part is a small comfort to you. Let us know if you need another drink or two; they are really cheap onwiki. There are at least 234 people that would be happy to pour you one. Here's hoping Z1720 has a baton for you soon enough. HouseBlaster^talk 02:28, 20 September 2022 (UTC)

I really appreciate the support. Thanks. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 18:12, 20 September 2022 (UTC)

Worst co-nominator ever

I've already offered mea culpas privately to SFR, but wanted to let the rest of the talk page stalkers know that I was *supposed* to be the co-nominator, but the timing of this RFA unfortunately coincided with my lowest-availability (family obligations) in many years, and by the time I was able to get back on the computer for more than 2 minutes, it was already in the 'crat stage. Worst case scenario if you don't succeed this time, I'd be happy to co-nominate for the next attempt. OhNoitsJamie ^Talk 17:57, 20 September 2022 (UTC)

No worries Jamie. I wasn't expecting Vanamonde93 to open it quite so quick, and once he did people noticed almost immediately. That kinda spurred the need to just go for it. I knew there was a chance you'd be too busy, so that's on me. I'm pretty certain that however this turns out I won't be standing at RFA again. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 18:05, 20 September 2022 (UTC)