User talk:Saalstin/Archive 1

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Nora Berra

Hi! It seems you recently created an unreferenced biography of a living person: Nora Berra. Our verifiability policy requires that all content be cited to a reliable source. Please add references as soon as possible. Thanks! --LaraBot (talk) 00:13, 19 June 2009 (UTC)

Thank-you botty, copious sources in place --Saalstin (talk) 21:57, 29 June 2009 (UTC)

Derek Llambias

Hey. No bias on my last post, my intention was to amend punctuation and grammar. They are all odious men regardless of one's regional leanings and I think that anyone who is given the opportunity to study Mr. Shepherd would also conclude that he is slug-like. If you review the previous comments more closely you will notice the rather slanderous implication from another user that Mr. Llambias is mentally retarded. Backtobeige (talk) 01:01, 5 July 2009 (UTC)

Hi there - thanks for the note, I've now removed the piece of vandalism you've pointed out as well. A number of the descriptions you used here carry a point of view - even in your note, that they are 'odious' and 'slug-like' is a view. Some may share it, some may not, but it is an opinion, rather than verifiable fact, which we try to make sure WP is fully based on - and thank-you for noticing the other opinion in that article! --Saalstin (talk) 01:15, 5 July 2009 (UTC)

Good to know - new to this so will be sure to garnish any future statements and amendments with the necessary citation. Thanks! Backtobeige (talk) 01:23, 5 July 2009 (UTC)

Happy to be of help - please feel free to leave a note on my talk page if you've ever got any questions, and - WELCOME to Wikipedia :) --Saalstin (talk) 01:41, 5 July 2009 (UTC)

Hi, I think that this page does need to more accurately educate the common view of Mr. Llambias. I'm sure this can be realistically acheived without resorting to petty name calling. All the biographical pages on Wikipedia contain a common if not the authors POV and to exclude Mr. Llambias, because he is regarded by many as a liar(this has been proven on many occasions) and generally hated by more than a regional population, is not true reflection of him as a whole. --The Mercenary 73 (talk) 18:18, 8 July 2009 (UTC)

Hi there - I'm afraid I don't entirely understand what you were suggesting in your note. If you meant the article needs to include criticism of him, then there's no problem with that, so long as it's verifiable, well sourced, and meets our [[WP:BLP}biographies of living people guidelines]]. I'm afraid I don't know anything about the topic, I only edited it when I happened to come across some changes that didn't meet our BLP guidelines on the recent changes list. All the best --Saalstin (talk) 19:15, 8 July 2009 (UTC)

Monoboard

In redard to the Monoboard, Monoboard snow and monoboarding Pages

• Keep Keep Keep The original page *monoboard was created in 2004 and accepted by WIKI, then vandalized many times and then change over to a page about to computer monoboard. This page *monoboard snow should be call *monoboard, monoboarding and the current *monoboard page should be call *Computer monoboard

See the history below Thanks 2008 http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Monoboard&oldid=180297545 2007 http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Monoboard&oldid=100928213 2006 http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Monoboard&oldid=36736447 2005 http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Monoboard&oldid=270467802 2004 http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Monoboard&oldid=35767902 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.79.200.243 (talk) 22:30, 7 July 2009 (UTC)

DYK nomination of Darney

Hello! Your submission of Darney at the Did You Know nominations page has been reviewed, and there still are some issues that may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) underneath your nomination's entry and respond there as soon as possible. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know! Geraldk (talk) 00:32, 8 July 2009 (UTC)

Walton Stowell

Hello, it is difficult to find a button on this screen for emailing you, so im posting this. Im sure you can delete it if it is misplaced. The Wiki language is difficult for me to use, and the rules for "notability" are very subjective to me. I see other politicians and people on Wiki of much less notability than my father, yet "notability" is the main reason my article is being attacked. I understand constructive criticism that would tell me to remove parts of it, and edit it better, however it looks like there is too much blatant rejection without constructive help for articles that may be very worthy for Wiki.

My father was, and is notable. Most of the articles, meetings, and projects that he worked on are not available because our region is rural and many of his credentials are not online. Therefore primary sources must be listed in general terms, as interviews of everyone and every project he worked on have not been conducted yet. Walton (talk) 00:46, 11 July 2009 (UTC)

Hi there - thanks for your message. (I've moved it to my talk page, which is the area set aside for conversations like this.) I don't think it's immediately obvious why, or that, your father met the guidelines that are used for inclusion, which is why there's a discussion going on about deleting the article. The criteria used on our biography guidelines are that "A person is presumed to be notable if he or she has been the subject of published secondary source material which is reliable, intellectually independent, and independent of the subject."

Part of the problem is that it's very difficult to find the assertions on why an article is deserved. His obituary in the Herald-Mail, for example, says that "He earned a reputation locally and statewide, even nationally, for his architectural designs and knowledge of historic preservation." - a national reputation, claimed by an independent third party like a newspaper is, potentially, notable, but there's no mention of it in the article. If you include things like that, backed up with references, the article is much more likely to survive (although no promises, WP is driven by consensus guided by policies and different people read them in different ways). Notable, special, famous or important events that took place in Harpers Ferry while he was Mayor would help as well. I think it's important to note that the references don't have to be online - a physical newspaper or a book is just as good. So long as those independent secondary sources exist, and are writing about the subject of an article, that helps to prove their notability. A lot of WP articles do use exclusively online references, mainly because they're easiest everyone to verify, but there's nothing wrong with needing to go the library to do it.

In addition, the article currently seems quite confused - it seems to be part about your father, part about your business, and part about yourself. I'd recommend that you focus it much more tightly on your father (again, detail on what was remarkable and why and back it up with sources) to improve its chances of survival.

Finally, deletion isn't forever. You said on the deletion discussion that "interviews of everyone and every project he worked on have not been conducted yet" - if the sources that are needed to prove notability and keep the article don't exist yet, maybe they will in a few years time, and with better sourcing you'll be able to prove your case to people's satisfaction.

I hope this helps. If you've got any other questions or comments, please do get back to me. All the best --Saalstin (talk) 02:07, 11 July 2009 (UTC)

Saalstin, Well done my friend. Thank you for being understanding of my situation. As far as we have come with digital information, there continue to be large gaps just as there are for many people throughout recorded history, even during the past century. There are other ways to begin adding information about my father online. Perhaps Wiki is not ready yet for middle class Mayors and Architects like my father, even though it is clear to me that people like him are at least as worthy as Hollywood actors (although their films may be more available to a larger audience and commercialized than his). As far as myself being in the article, we have the same name and were partners for over a decade, and he is my father, so rather than write 2 articles, I included myself in this one. I understand what you are saying, and I agree that for Wiki rules, more editing is in order. I may be able to get it closer based on removal of myself from the article, save perhaps one or two references; but as you say there is no promise that it will be kept on Wiki no matter how many edits are done to the article. Thanks for your time and sensitivity to the human element here. Walton (talk) 16:38, 11 July 2009 (UTC)

Walton Stowell

Saalstin, please can you rally any support on Wiki for editing my article on my father? Don Burgess has written in support of my article, but his comments are being attacked by Shadowjams, and no one else seems to be interested in helping on Wikipedia. Are most editors ruthless, and get away with deleting worthy articles many times on Wiki simply because they understand the language and use it all the time? Just curious. Thank you for your help already, even if it gets deleted, it has been interesting. Walton (talk) 03:20, 13 July 2009 (UTC)

Peter Lee

In the past, there was a great revert war between User:Mario_Roering and myself. I finally ended the hole thing by simply withdrawing my involvement here on Wikipedia. In the years past, (since 2005) I have seen the articles regarding to Genseiryu, Genseiryu Karate-do International Federation and World_Gensei-ryū_Karate-dō_Federation filling up with untrue "facts" and speculation rather than honest contributions. Mario Roering created numerous accounts at that time to make it look like many people agreed with him as well as he used anonymous (IP) contributions for getting around the three edit rule. I simply assumed that this was the same guy. My involvement here at this time, is not concerned with changing the articles to contain facts, as I think this work is futile. I do not want to fight anyone nor would I like to write the facts just to be slandered by that same person or any of his many accounts as was the case in the past. I hate to see my hard work wasted. But your comment has been taken into account, as you might be right, despite of what I have written above. Thanks. Peter Lee (talk) 03:12, 12 July 2009 (UTC)

Hello Saalstin. I request your help, as JeremyA has now restored my talk page, which was earlier deleted on my request (2005). I have no intentions on starting a new revert war, and my former talkpage history, is a bomb for exactly that. So as I cannot seem to get in any kind of dialogue with JeremyA, he seems to be doing whatever he thinks without any dialogue or the like. I want my talkpage deleted, with all entries prior to your first/last comment. Is that possible for you to do, or is there anyway, I can bee upgraded to Sysop myself? In any case, I have also plead on removing a few articles, please read Talk:World Gensei-ryū Karate-dō Federation for a quick introduction to the problem. Also perhaps you can check out the User talk:JeremyA where I put a few comments recently. And of course my own talk page with comments from JeremyA. Looking forward to reading your comments on the subject. Thank you. Peter Lee (talk) 11:19, 13 July 2009 (UTC)

Hi - JeremyA agreed to delete the entire history of your talk page, because you stated you had permanently retired - were leaving and not coming back. I appreciate that at the time you meant that, and your stated reasons on JeremyA's talk page for returning. The problem is that as an active editor, your talk page history will be kept intact - the only way to have it deleted is to permanently retire. The problem with that is - well, you're here, so by definition you haven't. If you retire again (I would suggest leaving a short note on JeremyA's user page to this effect as he dealt with it last time) he may be willing to delete your talk page history a second time, but if you return and made any edits to WP, you can expect to have it restored.

If you do plan on staying, then a history from 4 years ago won't necessarily count against you - simply edit in good faith and work constructively with other editors, and people will likely recognise that whatever was going on then isn't a problem anymore.

You asked how to have articles removed from WP, and how to be made a Sysop - the Articles for Deletion and Requests for Adminship are the pages you want for those. For AfD, it's unlikely that articles which are sourced, verifiable and notable will be deleted (I don't know if the articles you want to delete are or not, so can't comment on that), and to be honest, at RfA, with your just returning from a 4 year break and your talk page history before then the community would be unlikely to have a consensus in favour, but you can but try. Hope this helps. All the best --Saalstin (talk) 11:58, 13 July 2009 (UTC)

Thanks, I appreciate it. Peter Lee (talk) 12:19, 13 July 2009 (UTC)

DYK for Darney

On July 18, 2009, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Darney, which you created or substantially expanded. You are welcome to check how many hits your article got while on the front page (here's how) and add it to DYKSTATS if it got over 5,000. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

{{User0|Candlewicke 23:56, 18 July 2009 (UTC)

Thank you :)

Someone vandalized my Userspace! But a little angel came along and fixed it! Thank you! You can thank others by using {{subst:Vangel}}! [midnight comet] [talk] 15:40, 25 July 2009 (UTC)

3RR

You currently appear to be engaged in an edit war according to the reverts you have made on Iranian presidential election. Note that the three-revert rule prohibits making more than three reversions on a single page within a 24 hour period. Additionally, users who perform a large number of reversions in content disputes may be blocked for edit warring, even if they do not technically violate the three-revert rule. If you continue, you may be blocked from editing. Please do not repeatedly revert edits, but use the talk page to work towards wording and content that gains a consensus among editors. If necessary, pursue dispute resolution. Samic130 (talk) 05:04, 26 July 2009 (UTC)

Does this mean that you're now prepared to discuss your mass dumping of a deleted article into another?--Saalstin (talk) 09:00, 26 July 2009 (UTC)

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DYK nomination of Chasseneuil-du-Poitou

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DYK for Chasseneuil-du-Poitou

On August 5, 2009, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Chasseneuil-du-Poitou, which you created or substantially expanded. You are welcome to check how many hits your article got while on the front page (here's how) and add it to DYKSTATS if it got over 5,000. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

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