User talk:RiseRobotRise

I need user boxes for my user page damnit!!!!!!!!

cools!

Hiya, thanks for your work on the San Diego-related articles. When you make comments on talk pages, put them at the end of the page. Thanks Kellen ^T 11:01, 10 April 2006 (UTC)

Don't even get started with userboxes; WP people are freaking out about them at the moment. Kellen ^T 11:03, 10 April 2006 (UTC)

There is also a request to delete Mika Miko. Kellen ^T 12:03, 10 April 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for the comment - i left a vote and will try and write more of an extended response/flesh out the articles. I kind of think it's ridiculous that someone believes these articles are self-promotional as these are non-profit COMMUNITY-run spaces while bars like the Casbah have pages and that seems to be accepted?? Thanks though!! I will try and integrate that Che info on the article page too, just havent had time lately! hotdiggitydogs 01:15, 11 April 2006 (UTC)

Krist Novoselic

In this article you wrote Cobain and Novoselic started a Creedence Clearwater Revival cover band, in which Cobain played drums and Novoselic sang and played guitar. . Is that true? I researched this information, nothing has been said regarding this. I removed that sentence off of the article. If you can provide reliable sources, then it would be alright to reinstate that information.

Michael Azerrad, Come as You Are: The Story of Nirvana, p 54-55:

"Noting that the Melvins were awarded the princely sum of eighty dollars for a night's work, Chris and Kurt started a Creedence Clearwater Revival cover band aptly named the Sellouts. They figured CCR was country-rock and therefore would go over well in rural Aberdeen. The band was Kurt on drums, Chris on guitar, and a fellow named Steve Newman on bass (Newman later lost his fingers in a woodcutting accident). They practiced at Chris and Shelli's house, but it only got as far as five or six rehearsals. They broke up after Kurt and Newman got into a big fight one day at Chris and Shelli's. They were sitting around drinking when Newman tried to attack Kurt with a vacuum cleaner. Kurt grabbed a two-by-four and brained his much larger opponent."

Google doesn't always have the answer. -- ChrisB 05:46, 20 April 2006 (UTC)

Thanks, I've skimmed though a few books myself on grunge, if you reinstate that information, please site your source. I'll have to go check that information out myself, it's certainly interesting RiseRobotRise 05:52, 20 April 2006 (UTC)

No worries. Come as You Are is probably the definitive Nirvana bio, as Azerrad spent several months on tour with the band talking to them about their history. Some of it is flawed, given that Cobain and Novoselic admittedly embellished some of their stories, and it's sometimes hard to split the fact from the fiction. But, even in those cases, it's their fiction, not something somebody else invented (which is part of the problem with Charles Cross' Heavier than Heaven). -- ChrisB 06:05, 20 April 2006 (UTC)

Swing Kids afd discussion

Hey, thanks for your help and support in keeping the article. As you're aware, this is my first article on Wikipedia so I'm painfully "noobish." This has been a great learning experience I must say. Curtyv 17:44, 24 April 2006 (UTC)

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Trunk Space, Modified Arts, and Paper Heart Gallery

Hello. I was hoping for your opinion on the articles I created for these venues, seeing as I used Che Cafe, The Smell, 924 Gilman Street, and The Casbah as models for them. Please respond on my talk page, or, any corresponding AfDs. Thanks! PT ^(s-s-s-s) 00:22, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

HeartattaCk

Would you be able to lend a hand on either contributing reliable sources for this article or providing your opinion on the corresponding AfD? PT ^(s-s-s-s) 00:29, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

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Hi! Sorry for the delay. My IP was autoblocked and I've been trying to get that fixed. Anyway, yes, I'm very interested, as much as time will allow. We will be in touch! PT ^(s-s-s-s) 21:11, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

HeartattaCk

I believe the decision to delete this article was made in error, so I have asked for a deletion review. Since you were involved in the AfD on this, I wanted to inform you so that you might weigh in. PT ^(s-s-s-s) 17:29, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

Re: The Casbah

hey dude - go ahead and remove the "references needed tag". take care! Shamrox 19:37, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

thanks

I appreciate that! I'll keep watching... Parsssseltongue 01:00, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

Re: Sbarkfe

I've noticed that you wrote a message to that user and told him that his/her article will be soon deleted. Although he may be a vandal. I think it should be necessary to assume good faith and allow him/her the opportunity to contest any kind of motion to delete the article.

The article is currently going though AFD. Please allow the AFD to stand for a week or so, unless if no supportive information is supplied. Thank you RiseRobotRise 03:50, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

Your message to the above editor makes an assumption that I have "an agenda" against the article. Upon what evidence do you base that accusation? The article was deleted because it was unsourced nonsense of no encyclopedic value. Citing and referencing sources would demonstrate a degree of academic rigour on the part of the contributing editor and would also allow for the information to be verified. The AfD process gives the author or other interested party five days to perform this task before consensus is reached.

If you would like to discuss my reasons for deleting an article then please leave me a message to that effect. It is not good practise to encourage an editor to repost speedily deleted material whilst making assumptions about the reasons an admin deleted it in the first place. (aeropagitica) 09:21, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

Sorry to make you think I'm a vandal, I had no intention...I should of taken more time to plan this out before I made the page...but I didn't know wiki works that way...I thought I would just be able to start the article and people who know what they are doing could go through and add what they know about it. --Sbarkfe 02:30, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

The article was deleted at 00:25, November 19 and recreated at 00:41 the same day. Your message was left at 04:17, by which time the article had been recreated, so the red link would have turned blue again; the recreation had already occurred by the time that you left your message. The message left for Sbarkfe is a standard deletion warning, left for hundreds of editors every day.

You didn't just leave a message asking for sources to be stated, you questioned my reasons for deletion without questioning me, making an assumption without my rationale. I haven't assumed that the editor knows anything about policy or how to write good articles because if they did then I wouldn't have had a reason to delete it and the article wouldn't have gone to AfD with an overwhelming delete consensus, the only two keep votes from yourself and the author. I haven't bitten any newcomers or made assumptions about their knowledge of process or emotional state. I deleted an encyclopedic page and informed the author of this process, something that I and many other admins do on an ongoing basis as a daily task. The standard warnings are part of the process. If you want to debate the merits of the wording of standard warnings then you can do so at WP:ANB for starters. (aeropagitica) 05:59, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

My RFA

Hey, thanks for participating in my recent RFA. You were amongst a number of editors who considered that I wasn't ready for the mop yet and as a consequence the RFA did not succeed (69/26/11). I am extremely grateful that you took the time to advise me on to improve as a Wikipedian and I'd like to assure you that I'll do my level best to develop my skills here to a point where you may feel you could trust me with the mop.

I've been blown away by the level of interest taken in my RFA and appreciate the time and energy dedicated by all the editors who have contributed to it, support, oppose and neutral alike. I hope to bump into you again soon and look forward to serving you and Wikipedia in any way I can. Cheers! The Rambling Man 19:36, 11 January 2007 (UTC) (the non-admin, formerly known as Budgiekiller)

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Dude, I, like, created my account more than a month ago! That aint that recent!!!!!! I, like, totally undersytand EVERY regunaion and rule in Wikipedia! No offense, but why do you care about when I created my account! Sheesh! Khgj 21:59, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

In XFDs, or any kind of Wikipedia talk, users who contribute to them often have their histories taken into account. Please note that your history would indicate to other users (especially closing admins) that you either might be a sockpuppet or a user with little experience with little knowledge on Wikipedia policies. I'd also like to let you know, it is not good practice to remove a user's comment without the user's consent on a discussion page. I'm sorry for this incursion, and I hope you understand. RiseRobotRise 03:10, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

Chess

Want to play a game of chess? RiseRobotRise 05:05, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

Hey, you can find the chess table here. If you want to be white, go ahead and move. If you want to be black, then let me know. - Kevin ^(TALK) 16:03, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

I'll make a random pick on the color, once I find a black and white chess piece RiseRobotRise 19:10, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

Hey, whenever you're ready to start a new game, it'll be right here. You choose color again. -- Kevin ^(TALK)_(MUSIC) 19:02, 12 April 2007 (UTC)

Hi there! Can I play a game of chesse with you? I have a board set up at here. Thanks. pizza1512 ^{Talk Autograph} 19:34, 12 April 2007 (UTC)

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So what about orginal research, that shouldn't be the sole grounds for deletion.

— RiseRobotRise

Are you kidding me? Have you actually read the original research policy? Do you understand it is one of only three content policies on Wikipedia? If you can't properly understand or comply with Wiki policy then I don't think you should participate in ?fD debates. /Blaxthos 12:58, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

Hello, thanks for the refresher course in the WP:NOR policy. From what I understand, the original research policy explains that original research doesn’t belong on Wikipedia, which I agree with. If the content is unverifiable, then it doesn’t belong on this encyclopedia. However, the content in the AFD discussion which you refer to is verifiable, can be easily sourced, and has more than enough information on the web to back it up (on many Verifiable and Reliable sources which I may add) and yes, I have pointed that out in my comment. So no need for the rude remarks. While we're on topic of Wikipedia policy and guidelines, I would recommend might want to take a look at WP:CIVL, No personal attacks and you might want to work on your Etiquette. Thank you - RiseRobotRise 21:05, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

You can't have it both ways -- if it is original research, it is not allowed. As I understand it, this is a non-negotiable policy. It is not the content I'm talking about, it is your blatant disregard of said policies that I find offensive. In no way have I issued a personal attack; I just don't let people casually disregard the rules when it suits them. I apologize if you found it offensive. /Blaxthos 21:15, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

I understand what WP:NOR is, and I'm fully aware of the policy. Please know that I have cited about five major sources in the debate. I have clearly stated in the AFD discussion, that because the content is verifiable, with a list of reliable sources, then it shouldn't be deleted, sources and references should just be added to the page. I hope you understand my reasoning for me wagering in a Keep on that page. If I weren’t for the abundance of any reliable source, I would've voted delete. RiseRobotRise 21:29, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

Then shouldn't you say "I can add reliable sources" instead of "So what about orginal research, that shouldn't be the sole grounds for deletion."? Ignoring entrenched policy is almost never the right answer, and requires extraordinary circumstances, which I do not believe have been met in this instance. Once again, my criticism is leveled at the comment you made in the face of one of only three content policies -- I make no debate about whether it is or is not original research, I simply challenge the statement you made. Sorry if it came across the wrong way. /Blaxthos 21:40, 18 January 2007 (UTC) Addendum - Where are these reliable sources? How has it come close to satisfying notability requirements? As the AfD progresses, it seems the community does not agree with your position. /Blaxthos 22:07, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

Again, I wasn't trying to circumvent any rules. I wrote that statement, because I was questioning the nominator's endorsement. As I believed that he/she decided to endorse the article for deletion without doing any proper investigation to see if the article had any significance whatsoever. I know the article contains a large amount of original research or non-sourced information, but if the article was properly sourced, there wouldn't need to be any reason for deletion (as I said in the last sentence "Surely, we can look beyond what we see as original research, and verify the information ourselves. ". Please understand that the tone of your message overall sounded negative, and the last statement "then I don't think you should participate in ?fD debates. " can be seen by many readers as rude, and inappropriate. I understand now that the intention of your message was to make sure I was aware of certain policies. I'm sorry for the misunderstanding, and I hope we can move past it. Please try to be more polite in the future. As for these reliable sources, if you read what I posted, you can clearly see that these links bring you to articles on Griefing found on Microsoft’s website, G4 Tech TV's website, Escapist's magazine, and many others, as for the AFD itself, it seems that the consensus on the AFD discussion is swinging on the side of keep, mostly because comments made by other users who also pointed out notable reliable sources. One editor actually changed his/her decision from delete to keep. I'll change the wording of my statement so it doesn’t sound too ignorant of the WP:NOR policy. P.S I wish no bad blood between us, I hope that in the future, we both can come together on more friendly terms, and work with each other in a constructive manner. Thank you -RiseRobotRise 06:35, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

Nah, shit online doesn't get my blood up, . I am aware that I have a rather curt attitude towards those who appear to care nothing for the policies and guidelines contained herein. I think a lot of people on wikipedia try to bend/stretch/conveniently ignore the rules when it suits them, much like most people speed when a cop isn't around. Conflict in the short term is necessary to keep wikipedia in balance; conflict in the long run hurts us all. As a general rule for me, once we've said our peace it's done.  ;-) /Blaxthos 06:50, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

Heh, no problem here with me, thanks alot :) -RiseRobotRise 06:57, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

My RfA

Thanks for your rather eloquent explanation of the situation. I should have been more explicit in my original answer, because quite a few people seem to have misunderstood what happened. Cheers. yandman 19:24, 27 January 2007 (UTC)

Hey no problem, I was slightly alarmed that people decided to talk about that issue without really knowing what went on. Good luck on your adminship. :) RiseRobotRise 00:39, 28 January 2007 (UTC)

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