User talk:Ralph, Let's call her Ralph

Speedy deletion of Emmie\

A tag has been placed on Emmie\, requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section G1 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because the page appears to have no meaningful content or history, and the text is unsalvageably incoherent. If the page you created was a test, please use the sandbox for any other experiments you would like to do. Feel free to leave a message on my talk page if you have any questions about this.

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• If you want this article to stick you will:

• correct the weird use of <pre> text, ie. you will not begin every line with space. You will break the article into proper sections and allow the user's browser to use a normal font and to decide on line breaks
• establish that you own the copyright
• give the article a sensible title - what was wrong with Emmie (album track)?
• give the article a proper introductory paragraph and references to show that it is not original research
• wikilink a topic once, only and properly. Eg. you had a link to Havelock Ellis - fine. But you had subsequent utterly spurious links to Ellis!

— RHaworth (Talk | contribs) 22:21, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

On reflection, I think the topic is given necessary and sufficient coverage in Eli and the Thirteenth Confession. Publish your essay elsewhere and link to it from the album article. — RHaworth (Talk | contribs) 22:26, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

Don't try and conduct the discussion in the article namespace. Please read template:copyviocore for details of how to establish that you own the copyright. But, I repeat, if you publish here it is likely to be deleted as original research - better to publish elsewhere. — RHaworth (Talk | contribs) 22:35, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

I saw your comment "this is a gross infrigment upon free specch". Ignoring the spelling errors, I must tell you most clearly that Wikipedia is not, repeat not a platform for free speech. It is an encyclopedia. All contribs must be approved by the editorial cabal. There are plenty of other places on the web to publish unfettered. — RHaworth (Talk | contribs) 22:43, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

If you disagree with my advice to publish elsewhere, your democratic redress is to raise the matter at deletion review with a link to the text on your user page. — RHaworth (Talk | contribs) 22:46, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

Please discuss in this page, not via the edit summary! Your comment is below. — RHaworth (Talk | contribs) 23:12, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

I make it a practice to address everyone with civility and grace. My mispellings often result from my sugar. I'm not using you as a free speech forum but as an repository of the latest information. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ralph, Let's call her Ralph (talk • contribs)

I think I am being civil. When I saw your reference to diabetes, my attitude softened. But unfortunately it is not a sufficient excuse for setting your text in a mono-spaced font. And as to your other comment, it is quite simple: Wikipedia is an encyclopedia - it is not a "repository of the latest information". In any case, what new information has come to light on an album published in 1968 except new opinions on the subject? — RHaworth (Talk | contribs) 23:17, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

I am not clear. Is Wikipedia threatening to delete my article on Emmie from my user page? If not, I have no problem with respecting your parameters. I believe the article is Wikipedically newsworthy. "Emmie" is the first lesbian love song of the pop age. In fact, I found only one popular song prior to 1968. "Wenn die beste Freundin" (When my best Friend) by Marlene Dietrich and Margot Lion …”which became the theme song of lesbians in late 1920s Berlin." My source is Anthony B. Chan, "Perpetually cool: the many lives of Anna May Wong." I may have confused the source of the quote. I believe it to be "Anna May Wong: from laundryman's daughter To Hollywood legend ", by Graham Russell and Gao Hodges, p.86. The song is on "youtube." My vitae includes a Master's degree in Human Sexuality. The Germans founded the science of Sexology and called it Sexualwissenschaft. It defines both a scientific and cultural approach to sexual behavior. "Emmie" is cultural Lesbiana at its best. It is precisely the information worthy of Wikipedia ~~Ralph, Let's Call her Ralph~~

AfD

Firstly, you do not seem to have got the idea of wikilinks yet. The article began with "Pete Johnson in his June 1968 review". But the Pete Johnson you have linked to died in 1967! So your link is downright misleading. You also had spurious links to Emily, Emmie, Kort, Timer and ELI, etc.

If we are to take the strict view, creating the article in your user space with no intention of making it "live" violates the Wikipedia is not a free host rule. If we make the article live, it is liable to be condemned as original research.

I moved the article to Emmie (Laura Nyro song) with a view to getting consensus and started the AfD discussion. Then I thought of Wikia. I offer you the choice. Shall we:

1. Move the article to Emmie (Laura Nyro song). If so, I will feel compelled to activate the AfD discussion.
2. Copy the article to wikia:lgbt:Emmie (Laura Nyro song). I am very confident that if you post it there it will be welcomed - they already have wikia:lgbt:Laura Nyro. And if you go to Eli and the Thirteenth Confession and create a link to your Wikia article, that link will probably stick.

— RHaworth (Talk | contribs) 10:33, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

• I think it best to follow your lead here and copy the article to Wikia. Since you first moved the article to Emmie, is it a breach of etiquette to ask you to set up the link? I haven't a clue of how to do this. I went to help and I am lost. I do not understand about Pete Johnson. I have misplaced my xerox of the article, but I am sure I double-checked my source. Michele Kort quoted Pete Johnson's 1969 article in Cost FM & Fine Arts pp. 25-27 in Soul Picnic on p.82 re: New York Tenderberry, released on September 24, 1969. But as there is no current link [you mean no "current article" I assume] for him, the link should be omitted. I am getting a glimmer about wikilinks. I feel so stupid. I thought it was a highlighting technique. Now I realize it should only be used to set up a link. The editorial changes you made seem excellent. Thank you for all your help. ~~Ralph, Let's call her Ralph~~
  • Copied over. Go and enjoy the much more peaceful world of Wikia! Oh dear, just when you are getting the glimmer about wikilinks, I move the goal posts! You can link from Wikia to Wikipedia but it is more complicated! I do hope you are rabdrake47. If not we have a copyvio problem. — RHaworth (Talk | contribs) 18:17, 31 July 2008 (UTC)
• I am Rabdrake. I did write the review on rate your music. I hope it won't be a problem if I put the title for the article the way you had it before. I am not going to change any text. I am just going to insert the title. Alanna Nash, already saw the article and e-mailed me a thank you. I realize now that referral to my e-mail address is not allowed. I love being in the LGBT WIKIA. I'm not gay, but I am queer. Thank you so much for all your help. ~~Ralph, Let's call her Ralph~~
  • Wikipedia articles are not signed in any way. I have no idea what the rules are on wikia:lgbt. It is a bad idea to display raw e-mail addresses anywhere on the web - automated spam bots tend to pick them up. Have you created your user Id on wikia:lgbt? You should put your e-mail address in your preferences - it is safe to put it there. — RHaworth (Talk | contribs) 00:32, 1 August 2008 (UTC)

• Belatedly came across this discussion following ..Ralph's edits at Laura Nyro. I'm sure a case can be made for "Emmie" being a notable song, given Ms Nyro's standing and, possibly, the claims made for the song as "the first lesbian pop song". Whether or not the claims are "true" or not, the fact that it is claimed makes it notable. However, the big problem with ..Ralph's edits is that there is no independent verification of the claims, and it is no good referring to articles that she(/he?) has written or which are based on original research. But in terms of the song itself, in my view it is potentially worthy of a Wikipedia article with reference to the claims made, IF independent verification can be found. Please note, ..Ralph, that no-one's trying to be unhelpful here, but there are criteria for articles that should be met. Ghmyrtle (talk) 09:19, 3 August 2008 (UTC)

Hi Ghmyrtle, helpful is the only thing I find you and RHaworth. I completely agree with your insistence on an independent source. My JD degree has made me too glib about bootstrapping. I will keep looking. BTW the Sontag artlcle does identify Maria as a Brooklyn native. I found under Ancestry.com her death certificate listing her as born in PA. A native can be a person born elsewhere, but spending her formative years in a different place. The social security death index listed Maria as being issued a social security card in 1970, in California. It is undisputed that Maria left California circa 1980 and lived with Laura in Danbury, CT from then on. The Debra Sontag article in the NY Times interviewing Maria on Ocotber 26, 1997, evinced the claim that Maria was not born in Brooklyn, but a native of. I thought that was corroborative that Maria was in the NYC area from shorlty after birth until at the latest 1970. I combined that with concluding that the songs "Timer and "Emmie" were proof that she marked the occasion in 1968 on ELI. As you know, it is my same belief as per a June/July (Maria's 17th birthday) rendezvous marked by Désiree - 1971. In 1984, when everybody agrees they were together, she wrote "Roadnotes" In it she sings "Happy Birthday Thirties" the exact age Maria was in 1984. As I felt that I had demonstried it was Laura's practice to refer to Maria in her music along with the Sontag article, I could be bold. I will keep looking. Thanks again ~~Ralph, Let's call her Ralph~~

OK, but as I'm sure you know by now, "Wikipedia does not publish original research or original thought. This includes unpublished facts, arguments, speculation, and ideas; and any unpublished analysis or synthesis of published material that serves to advance a position. This means that Wikipedia is not the place to publish your own opinions, experiences, or arguments." Ghmyrtle (talk) 21:33, 3 August 2008 (UTC)

Speedy deletion of "Pop's first lesbian love song"

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My talk page

Is there any specific reason why you are using my IP's user talk page to write an article? 69.109.123.156 (talk) 23:31, 19 March 2009 (UTC)