User talk:Nightfira

Welcome[edit]

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We're so glad you're here! I dream of horses (talk) 02:35, 21 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Speedy deletion nomination of P.T. Brent[edit]

A tag has been placed on P.T. Brent, requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under the criteria for speedy deletion, because the article seems to be blatant advertising that only promotes a company, product, group, service or person and would need to be fundamentally rewritten in order to become an encyclopedia article. Please read the general criteria for speedy deletion, particularly item 11, as well as the guidelines on spam.

If you can indicate why the subject of this article is not blatant advertising, you may contest the tagging. To do this, please add {{hangon}} on the top of P.T. Brent and leave a note on the article's talk page explaining your position. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag yourself, but don't hesitate to add information to the article that would help make it encyclopedic, as well as adding any citations from independent reliable sources to ensure that the article will be verifiable. Feel free to leave a note on my talk page if you have any questions about this. ChildofMidnight (talk) 20:49, 30 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Help request[edit]

I have moved your help request here; please put helpme's on this page, not on article talk pages.

{{helpme}} Can someone clean up the comments leaving just what is needed to be done?Nightfira (talk) 01:26, 11 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Above to mean that I have made changes and would like input as to what else I can do to improve the article. Nightfira (talk) 01:42, 11 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The article in question is P.T. BrentNightfira (talk) 02:53, 11 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Have cut out what non-neutral words and phrases I could find. Nightfira (talk) 22:47, 10 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I removed the links that I thought were questionable. I will continue to edit to change to a more neutral point of view. Any further suggestions are appreciated. --Nightfira (talk) 23:06, 1 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Question: Do you have a conflict of interest with the subject of the article? Is it about you? ~~Please answer below; I will be watching the page. Chzz ► 02:16, 11 July 2009 (UTC)~~[reply]

I've crossed that out, as an hour or so has passed. Please leave me a note on my own talk page instead. Thanks, Chzz ► 02:57, 11 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, thanks for replying. I needed to check that, because my comments would be somewhat different.

First, and most important, is that an article must be sufficiently "notable"; what this means is, "received significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject". These words have a quite specific meaning; feel free to read the policy, but the key is that we need references to reliable sources that are independent (ie not the subjects own website, or their company, or something that they wrote) - for example, newspapers or books. Also, this must be 'significant coverage' - so articles about the subject, not just passing mentions.

If you can locate such sources, then they should be added as in-line references. At the moment, I see that there are external links within the main body of the article - this is incorrect; links should only be used as either references (with the small number like ^[1] that, which links to a footnote), or in 'external links'. I will add my own guide on how to make such references below.

Leading on from this, I suspect that quite a lot of the information presented will not have 'reliable sources' available. For example, "Brent’s father, Charles Monahan (born in County Donegal, Ireland) left his family when Brent was one year old." - unless this has been reported in some newspaper, magazine or book, then it should not be included. It's all about verifiability - if facts cannot be verified, then how can the reader check that they are true? Think of it the other way; if we didn't have these policies, and the article was created, anyone could add all kinds of 'facts', such as, 'he is a neo-nazi' or something. So facts need references to reliable sources; if none are available, the facts should be removed. This is especially true for bio articles of living people.

If you haven't already, please read WP:BLP.

Sections (such as "Family", "Education" etc) should not be in bold, instead they should be == Family ==, etc. This makes a section, which will then automatically appear in the table of contents. For more general editing help, see WP:FIRST.

I hope this gives you enough info to be getting on with; please do ask for more help at any time. Cheers, Chzz ► 11:46, 11 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

How references work[edit]

Simple references[edit]

These require two parts;

a)

Chzz is 98 years old.<ref> "The book of Chzz", Aardvark Books, 2009. </ref>

He likes tea. <ref> [http://www.nicecupofteaandasitdown.com Tea website] </ref>

b) A section called "References" with the special code "{{reflist}}";

== References ==
{{reflist}}

(an existing article is likely to already have one of these sections)

To see the result of that, please look at user:chzz/demo/simpleref. Edit it, and check the code; perhaps make a test page of your own, such as user:Nightfira/reftest and try it out.

Named references[edit]

Chzz was born in 1837, <ref name="MyBook">
"The book of Chzz", Aardvark Books, 2009. 
</ref> in Footown.<ref name="MyBook"/>

Note that the second usage has a / (and no closing ref tag). This needs a reference section as above; please see user:chzz/demo/namedref to see the result.

Citation templates[edit]

You can put anything you like between <ref> and </ref>, but using citation templates makes for a neat, consistent look;

Chzz has 37 Olympic medals. <ref> {{Citation
 | last = Smith
 | first = John
 | title = Olympic medal winners of the 20th century
 | publication-date = 2001
 | publisher = [[Cambridge University Press]]
 | page = 125
 | isbn = 0-521-37169-4
}}
</ref>

Please see user:chzz/demo/citeref to see the result.

For more help and tips on that subject, see user:chzz/help/refs.

Reply[edit]

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Chzz ► 17:52, 12 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Nomination of P. T. Brent for deletion[edit]

A discussion is taking place as to whether the article P. T. Brent is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.

The article will be discussed at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/P. T. Brent until a consensus is reached, and anyone is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on high-quality evidence and our policies and guidelines.

Users may edit the article during the discussion, including to improve the article to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the article-for-deletion notice from the top of the article. §FreeRangeFrog^croak 19:25, 18 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]