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Happy editing! JarrahTree 09:55, 19 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Hi Mariah; welcome to the lichen task force! It's great to see a new editor getting involved. Feel free to ping any of us if you have questions. Otherwise, dive right in! As you can undoubtedly see, we have loads to do. ;) MeegsC (talk) 18:47, 19 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
- I have now edited a little on the lichenologist page, just adding UW-Madison Herbarium and LichenPortal.org first and then adding more of an intro section with links to different aspects of lichenology. Not sure what I'll do next. I thought I would add pictures but I don't actually like the macro scale resolution or clarity of microscopy of any of my lichen iNaturalist observations now that I'm really looking at them. Fine for that purpose, but not for adding to an article, yet. MariahKRogers (talk) 23:29, 19 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
- Also hello, thanks! MariahKRogers (talk) 23:32, 19 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for your contributions to Violet Rea. Unfortunately, I do not think it is ready for publishing at this time because it needs more sources to establish notability.
I have converted your article to a draft which you can improve, undisturbed for a while.
Please see more information at Help:Unreviewed new page.
When the article is ready for publication, please click on the "Submit your draft for review!" button at the top of the page OR move the page back. Seawolf35 T--C 19:00, 19 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
- Thanks I thought it was in the sandbox/drafts but I suppose not. MariahKRogers (talk) 21:53, 19 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Hi there, MariahKRogers, and welcome to Women in Red. It's good to see you are working on a biography of Violet Rea. With your knowledge of the sector, you should be able to reference your article with reliable secondary sources. See our Primer for guidance. Let me know when you think the article is ready for mainspace and I'll take a look. You might like to sign up under "New registrations" on Wikipedia:WikiProject Women in Red/New members where others will be able to see your interest in the project. Please let me know if you run into any difficulties or need assistance. Happy editing!--Ipigott (talk) 08:43, 20 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
- Thanks! I'm going to keep working on it, and plan to add her mother as well, who I ended up finding more usable sources for.
- About my new article draft (Violet Rea)
- I began with her page off the list as a woman related to mycology without a page. Unfortunately I don't have a specific background in the British Mycological Society (which would be useful here) but I think I can get Violet Rea and her mother, Emma Amy Rea (née Rose), to a good start at least. And then I will copy over improved details on them to Carleton Rea's page (husband of Emma Amy and father of Violet).
- However, despite appreciating the goal of the project, so far unless I can find usable images of Violet's work or more references to her work I may have to side with deleting Violet's (draft) article and adding the content about her onto Carleton's (existing) article and making a separate article for Emma Amy Rea instead and also including Violet on it.
- About Drafts
- I have by now worked out how to find my Drafts because I didn't see them at first. In fact I had thought all new articles were created into a draft on the first save, which I realize now is incorrect.
- User:Seawolf35 linked me to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:Unreviewed_new_page after moving my article to drafts, and that had a link to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Drafts and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_policy#Incubation which all seem to propose to tell me about Drafts... but none of what I found allowed me to find where the Violet Rea article went to.
- I am going to keep working on it, but some hopefully useful feedback: for new account editors, having your work moved into Drafts without a direct link given to that specific draft is disconcerting. Especially when the explanatory articles linked are dense with connecting (but superfluous to finding my exact article now in drafts) information.
- Perhaps I overlooked something, but nothing I found in the first 15 min had a prominent and clearly labeled link to the user's own draft space, or instructions on how to find it. Meanwhile the bulk of the text in the articles I was linked to seems to be written as a how-to for more experienced editors on templates to use to tell people an article has been moved to drafts. So, it makes it just that much more difficult to get back to work which can put a person off when they are new to it and busy already.
- Case in point, I just spent a good while more looking for where the Violet Rea article is, instead of working on it.
- First I read through this https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:So_you_made_a_userspace_draft and the main Wikipedia Tutorial again where I found this https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Example ... which had a link to this https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:PrefixIndex? ... which at first glance is useless and not the Violet Rea article or a link to my draft space, but I tried searching "Violet" in it, and did finally get to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:PrefixIndex?prefix=violet&namespace=118 where I found https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Violet_Rea
- Re-reading Tutorial (etc) over and over to learn more is something, but it isn't targeted to the question at hand for someone with a draft article, and becomes distracting/overwhelming trying to learn everything at once, just to get started on 1 draft article. Like trying to find where the "on" button is and being given the whole manual, no bookmark set. Helpful, appreciated, and to anyone who already knows enough the location of the button is very obviously stated in the manual... but it's just not as helpful as it could so easily be. And so I will argue it's still worth looking at adding more useful links for the template that gets used to tell someone an article is now a draft.
- If I could pick just one to add, it would be a link directly to the person's newly-made-draft article in question. As in this link: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Violet_Rea in my case. That way I could have gotten back into it and learned more about drafts along the way while still working on the project I actually enjoy to keep me going. I assume there would be a way to automatically generate that type of link into the template, or to copy paste into a standard message by whoever moved the article to a draft.
- Back to discussing Violet Rea's article/Wikipedia coverage
- Moving on, I have also now read the Primer, found useful information there about how to style someone like Violet Rea's name (name most of her work is probably under is not her married name) and will get back to the article or making the one for her mom instead (and practice actually creating into drafts).
MariahKRogers (talk) 20:36, 23 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
- That is just a standard template message when I moved your page to a draft, your draft was linked in the Header of the message and in the message itself. The links that read "Violet Rea" actually pointed to Draft:Violet Rea. Seawolf35 T--C 21:29, 23 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
- Looks like I realized that at about the time you wrote this! Thanks in any case somehow I didn't look for links in a title. MariahKRogers (talk) 21:31, 23 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
- Or in the body of the text I guess? I don't know why I didn't think the Violet Rea link would go to the draft. I must have had some specific idea of a unified "draft space" too firmly in mind. I still wonder if there is such a place (to look at all the drafts you began). MariahKRogers (talk) 21:33, 23 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
- Or it would be more accurate to say I just didn't see it/skipped over it. My memory is not seeing anything but the Help:Unreviewed new page linked, not seeing the Violet Rea links at all. MariahKRogers (talk) 21:36, 23 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
- Wow ok so the link I needed is in the title of the statement @Seawolf35 made on this page about moving it to drafts. I'd like to say my feedback still stands because I do think the link in the body of the text (where it's easier to see?? I guess?) is better. But also could be most people notice it linked in the title. MariahKRogers (talk) 21:31, 23 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
- Thanks for all your explanations and for registering on the New members page. I'm sorry if all the information on creating an article has proved confusing. In connection with Rea, you need to draw on at least three informative independent sources and make sure that each paragraph contains at least one reference to a source. The same source can of course be used for more than one reference. If you are unable to develop the draft along these lines, then you might indeed be right in thinking it might be better to include details about her in the article on her husband Carleton. If you do decide to go ahead with developing Violet Rea, you can let me know when you have completed development and I'll let you know whether the draft meets basic acceptance standards. If you create any other new drafts, you can always develop them in your user space as User:MariahKRogers/article name. This will allow you to work on more than one draft at a time and will make it easier for you to find them. Just let me know if ever you run into difficulties. All the best for Christmas and the New Year and Happy editing!--Ipigott (talk) 07:29, 24 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
- Hey it's no problem, I suspect the confusion was more on my end (in terms of cause). Just a minor correction, Carleton is Violet Rea's father not her husband. And I would make a page for Emma Amy Rea (Violet's mother, Carleton's wife) instead and have Violet on both their pages. Emma Rea is who I am finding more sources for, and who I believe is easier to have meet notability requirements (she was a president of British Mycological Society in addition to being an artist).
- If I find more sources I'll make Violet's page on her own.
- I am assuming from what you have said that it is better to create potential new articles as drafts, using - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Article_wizard/CreateDraft rather than use the "sandbox" using - User:Your username/sandbox 2 ...and that the Sandbox is for practice? MariahKRogers (talk) 22:55, 24 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
- No, I was actually suggesting it would be better to create drafts in your user space as User:Your username/Jane Doe (not /sandbox2). If you use Draft/Jane Doe there is a risk the draft will be deleted if it does not meet basic standards, etc. If you want to work on Emma Rea, start with User:MariahKRogers/Emma Rea. In this way, you can also work in parallel on other drafts, e.g. User:MariahKRogers/Margaret Madge. Sorry about the confusion with Carleton. Just let me know if you need any more help with anything.--Ipigott (talk) 06:59, 28 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
- Thanks for clarifying that! So regular "make a draft" would result in needing to actually be ready to publish to article (and then having someone have to come along and appropriately shelve it to a draft unless it really was ready for publication, which is unlikely) ... meanwhile creating User:MariahKRogers/Insert Whatever Page Title skips that step ... but has it set up to be an article rather than something in the sandbox, which I'm still assuming is just for wikimarkup practice I suppose.
- The method I have used just now for creating those pages is to publish the potential title in a section on my userpage and then clicking the red link and "creating page" from there. I just did that for the Wisconsin Mycological Society article I was preparing, taking it out of my sandbox, and I also made an Emma Amy Draft though it's currently a mess. But I'll work on it. MariahKRogers (talk) 19:10, 28 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
- Also I'm sorry if there was a barrier to you in replying, I didn't realize putting the talk page into a drop down menu would remove the "reply" buttons, though apparently you still found a way to reply so that's good. I will only archive talk page conversations now if I think they are really concluded. MariahKRogers (talk) 19:12, 28 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
--Lajmmoore (talk) 20:17, 28 December 2023 (UTC) via MassMessaging[reply]
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