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Books & Bytes, Issue 30

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Issue 30, August – Septmeber 2018

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Facto Post – Issue 17 – 29 October 2018

Facto Post – Issue 17 – 29 October 2018
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Wikidata imaged

Around 2.7 million Wikidata items have an illustrative image. These files, you might say, are Wikimedia's stock images, and if the number is large, it is still only 5% or so of items that have one. All such images are taken from Wikimedia Commons, which has 50 million media files. One key issue is how to expand the stock.

Indeed, there is a tool. WD-FIST exploits the fact that each Wikipedia is differently illustrated, mostly with images from Commons but also with fair use images. An item that has sitelinks but no illustrative image can be tested to see if the linked wikis have a suitable one. This works well for a volunteer who wants to add images at a reasonable scale, and a small amount of SPARQL knowledge goes a long way in producing checklists.

Gran Teatro, Cáceres, Spain, at night

It should be noted, though, that there are currently 53 Wikidata properties that link to Commons, of which P18 for the basic image is just one. WD-FIST prompts the user to add signatures, plaques, pictures of graves and so on. There are a couple of hundred monograms, mostly of historical figures, and this query allows you to view all of them. commons:Category:Monograms and its subcategories provide rich scope for adding more.

And so it is generally. The list of properties linking to Commons does contain a few that concern video and audio files, and rather more for maps. But it contains gems such as P3451 for "nighttime view". Over 1000 of those on Wikidata, but as for so much else, there could be yet more.

Go on. Today is Wikidata's birthday. An illustrative image is always an acceptable gift, so why not add one? You can follow these easy steps: (i) log in at https://tools.wmflabs.org/widar/, (ii) paste the Petscan ID 6263583 into https://tools.wmflabs.org/fist/wdfist/ and click run, and (iii) just add cake.

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Help me!

I have seen (but can no longer find) the use in a species box of a link to an external image. I am hoping someone can help me with putting a link to an external image in the speciesbox. (Thanks)

MargaretRDonald (talk) 20:26, 4 November 2018 (UTC)

You can find the template code and the available parameters at Template:Speciesbox. I don't see a parameter that would be useful for this purpose, and if there were a link to an external image, the image wouldn't be displayed. The "External links" section at the bottom of the article seems a better place for a link to an external image, if that link should be added to the article at all. Huon (talk) 20:50, 4 November 2018 (UTC)
@Huon: I had found the template and like you could not find what I have seen in the past. I had already used the solution you have suggested, but would prefer the link to be in the speciesbox as it is here that the instantaneous species summary is found, while external links are often neither noticed nor read. MargaretRDonald (talk) 20:59, 4 November 2018 (UTC)
I rather don't think such a use of external links agrees with the relevant guideline WP:EL. The best solution would be to find (or create) a freely licensed image. Huon (talk) 10:15, 5 November 2018 (UTC)
@Huon: Thanks very much for the (internal) link. Very helpful. (And, sadly, the ideal solution is all too frequently not available - plants in other states/countries/threatened etc.) MargaretRDonald (talk) 20:03, 5 November 2018 (UTC)
There might be arboreta or botanical gardens that have a specimen. Or we could ask someone who has taken a photo to release that image under a free license; sometimes people are willing to do that. See WP:Requesting copyright permission. Huon (talk) 20:11, 5 November 2018 (UTC)

Linking categories

If you want to link to a category (but not place a page in the category) precede it with a colon. [[:Category:Botany external link templates]] produces Category:Botany external link templates. Plantdrew (talk) 20:20, 5 November 2018 (UTC)

Thanks, @Plantdrew: I did spot that I had failed and got around it by using the web address instead, but that solution is far far better of course. MargaretRDonald (talk) 20:39, 5 November 2018 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Thomas Patrick Burke

Hi. Editing an "article for deletion" has a somewhat tricky protocol. You may make as many comments, bring as many arguments and sources as you wish to a discussion. However, you need to give only one opinion. In this discussion you have made three comments using keep, should bedeleted and, a gain, keep. So, in a case where you thought, for example, keep, bu tsubsequent arguments, evidence made you change your mind, the thing to do is to strike the keep, and give your new opinion, which might be delete. You are free to change opinions as often as you wish, but always strike your previous opinion, so that we can all follow the argument. Cheers.E.M.Gregory (talk) 23:09, 6 November 2018 (UTC)

That is so weird, to have arguments about something like that - there has to be something going on there - about that other than the subject - weird weird, weird really weird. JarrahTree 00:17, 7 November 2018 (UTC)
@E.M.Gregory: Thanks I will do that in future.
@JarrahTree: The whole thing is not terrific: the two related articles The Wynnewood Institute & Thomas Patrick Burke were both paid for contributions by the same person. I think Burke probably qualifies as notable. However there is absolutely no evidence (despite its incorporation) that shows the institute consists of anything more than one man, giving lectures and arranging for lectures to be given. (In addition, its website shows no evidence of any lecture activity after 2011!!! And there are currently no upcoming events) I did quite a lot of editing on Burke, because the the article felt like an advertisement and it irritated me. But I do think it qualifies but not the The Wynnewood Institute..... MargaretRDonald (talk) 00:43, 7 November 2018 (UTC)
@E.M.Gregory:@JarrahTree: Pursuing the related issue of The Wynnewood Institute, Additional information given in this article is 1)that it is incorporated, and 2) it lists the lecturers (T.P. Burke and others). I don't know the how to put up this one for deletion, but believe that would be appropriate, as again, secondary sources are minimal. Any chance of either of you doing so?? Cheers, MargaretRDonald (talk) 01:01, 7 November 2018 (UTC)
Paid editing sucks. period. JarrahTree 03:37, 7 November 2018 (UTC)
Indeed. And she was paid by an advertising agency! MargaretRDonald (talk) 21:36, 7 November 2018 (UTC)
Apologies for adolescent terminology from a geriatric such as self, but the general issue arouses some rather base sentiments JarrahTree 02:10, 8 November 2018 (UTC)


status in importance

I have tried to get a sense of importance for anything in endangered or higher as being mid importance, and anything verging on extinction as being high/top - any thoughts on classifications like that at all ? (there is probably an earlier discussion I havent checked higher up this page, but... cheers JarrahTree 23:12, 16 November 2018 (UTC)

Hi,@JarrahTree: I've taken the view that in botany or zoology anything at the species level has low importance. And tend to prefer that view, particularly as the various categories of threatened species may change: For example in checking out the SPRAT entries for Acacia wardelii and Acacia ramiflora, I found both had been removed from the EPBC threatened lists. See Acacia wardellii, Species Profile and Threats Database, Department of the Environment and Heritage, Australia. and Acacia ramiflora, Species Profile and Threats Database, Department of the Environment and Heritage, Australia.. But I am easy with whichever decision you wish to make and will not change whatever you choose to do (although when I come to do it, at this stage, I will continue with my current practice unless I can be persuaded that it is vitally important that I change. (I find it hard enough keeping articles up-to-date without having to worry about the talk pages too!!) Cheers, MargaretRDonald (talk) 23:26, 16 November 2018 (UTC)
If you prefer, I'll leave out the importance parameter when I put in a review? MargaretRDonald (talk) 23:28, 16 November 2018 (UTC)
Wow you bring up some very salient points - phew - best place for us to continue - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Australian_biota JarrahTree 00:03, 17 November 2018 (UTC)
Good move. Cheers. MargaretRDonald (talk) 00:11, 17 November 2018 (UTC)

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Facto Post – Issue 18 – 30 November 2018

Facto Post – Issue 18 – 30 November 2018
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WikiCite issue

GLAM ♥ data — what is a gallery, library, archive or museum without a catalogue? It follows that Wikidata must love librarians. Bibliography supports students and researchers in any topic, but open and machine-readable bibliographic data even more so, outside the silo. Cue the WikiCite initiative, which was meeting in conference this week, in the Bay Area of California.

Wikidata training for librarians at WikiCite 2018

In fact there is a broad scope: "Open Knowledge Maps via SPARQL" and the "Sum of All Welsh Literature", identification of research outputs, Library.Link Network and Bibframe 2.0, OSCAR and LUCINDA (who they?), OCLC and Scholia, all these co-exist on the agenda. Certainly more library science is coming Wikidata's way. That poses the question about the other direction: is more Wikimedia technology advancing on libraries? Good point.

Wikimedians generally are not aware of the tech background that can be assumed, unless they are close to current training for librarians. A baseline definition is useful here: "bash, git and OpenRefine". Compare and contrast with pywikibot, GitHub and mix'n'match. Translation: scripting for automation, version control, data set matching and wrangling in the large, are on the agenda also for contemporary library work. Certainly there is some possible common ground here. Time to understand rather more about the motivations that operate in the library sector.

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Books & Bytes, Issue 31

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Books & Bytes
Issue 31, October – Novemeber 2018

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Facto Post – Issue 19 – 27 December 2018

Facto Post – Issue 19 – 27 December 2018
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Learning from Zotero

Zotero is free software for reference management by the Center for History and New Media: see Wikipedia:Citing sources with Zotero. It is also an active user community, and has broad-based language support.

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Besides the handiness of Zotero's warehousing of personal citation collections, the Zotero translator underlies the citoid service, at work behind the VisualEditor. Metadata from Wikidata can be imported into Zotero; and in the other direction the zotkat tool from the University of Mannheim allows Zotero bibliographies to be exported to Wikidata, by item creation. With an extra feature to add statements, that route could lead to much development of the focus list (P5008) tagging on Wikidata, by WikiProjects.

Zotero demo video

There is also a large-scale encyclopedic dimension here. The construction of Zotero translators is one facet of Web scraping that has a strong community and open source basis. In that it resembles the less formal mix'n'match import community, and growing networks around other approaches that can integrate datasets into Wikidata, such as the use of OpenRefine.

Looking ahead, the thirtieth birthday of the World Wide Web falls in 2019, and yet the ambition to make webpages routinely readable by machines can still seem an ever-retreating mirage. Wikidata should not only be helping Wikimedia integrate its projects, an ongoing process represented by Structured Data on Commons and lexemes. It should also be acting as a catalyst to bring scraping in from the cold, with institutional strengths as well as resourceful code.

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distribution maps

excellent! brilliant! raising standard of the articles just like that, thank you! happy christmas! JarrahTree 23:13, 7 December 2018 (UTC)

Happy Christmas, @JarrahTree:. It's immensely hard work: Having created the maps, I generally have to create a whole pile of categories in the commons to make things easily findable. I first created these maps on 22 November, and I have still only uploaded half of them! (Glad you are appreciating them.) MargaretRDonald (talk) 23:26, 7 December 2018 (UTC)
The visual amenity is something a lot of biota articles have like severe minus - to have a dist map is something I would bump up assessment of the article on the basis of the map alone, it takes us so much closer to what the herbarium sites have as basics. as for your hard work, it is much appreciated, and deserving of many thanks for raising the bar of quality JarrahTree 23:45, 7 December 2018 (UTC)
all that hard work - thanks so much for all the extra maps - I am sure people do not realise or understand the effort gone into that JarrahTree 09:43, 6 January 2019 (UTC)
Thanks, @JarrahTree: I am working on a response on my commons page. See User:MargaretRDonald/sandbox/Problem with range map but I need some answers from WA herbarium (PERTH) and from various others before I put anything further up on my commons talk page. In the meantime, you can see a discussion of AVH data on Talk:Ficus coronata#Flora of the Northern Territory and the map which resulted from the discussion in Ficus coronata. In any case, occurrence data is always illuminating, so I shall continue... MargaretRDonald (talk) 19:45, 6 January 2019 (UTC)

Captions in January

The previous message from today says captions will be released in November in the text. January is the correct month. My apologies for the potential confusion. -- Keegan (WMF) (talk) 20:43, 7 January 2019 (UTC)

Structured Data - file captions coming this week (January 2019)

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Hi all, following up on last month's announcement...

Multilingual file captions will be released this week, on either Wednesday, 9 January or Thursday, 10 January 2019. Captions are a feature to add short, translatable descriptions to files. Here's some links you might want to look follow before the release, if you haven't already:

  1. Read over the help page for using captions - I wrote the page on mediawiki.org because captions are available for any MediaWiki user, feel free to host/modify a copy of the page here on Commons.
  2. Test out using captions on Beta Commons.
  3. Leave feedback about the test on the captions test talk page, if you have anything you'd like to say prior to release.

Additionally, there will be an IRC office hour on Thursday, 10 January with the Structured Data team to talk about file captions, as well as anything else the community may be interested in. Date/time conversion, as well as a link to join, are on Meta.

Thanks for your time, I look forward to seeing those who can make it to the IRC office hour on Thursday. -- Keegan (WMF) (talk) 21:09, 7 January 2019 (UTC)

DYK for Macrozamia riedlei

On 8 January 2019, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Macrozamia riedlei, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that Macrozamia riedlei (pictured), a favoured food plant of southwest Australians, was responsible for the accidental poisoning of some early European explorers? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Macrozamia riedlei. You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, Macrozamia riedlei), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

– Amakuru (talk) 00:01, 8 January 2019 (UTC)

grasses of australia

is something that needs to happen - in very roundabout way am trying to extract from current unhelpful range of items that constitute what they are - inspired by the local items by Una [1] who as on the committee for a while some years back - any thoughts ideas or inspirations welcome, noting the other states dont seem to have much distinction from the absurd 'oceania' range JarrahTree 02:13, 21 January 2019 (UTC)

Hi @JarrahTree: Could you spell out a little more what you are trying to say? (Not sure what it is you would like me - and others - to do.) Cheers, MargaretRDonald (talk) 19:23, 21 January 2019 (UTC)
apology for the enigmatic message - delayed - I used to be on a committee with una bell, and she has produced some very good material on perth area native grasses - I was contemplating playing with the whole oceania category as Australia isnt separated out from it - I was potentially looking for advice as to whether the kensington location had native grasses and if so how you got on with the material that you could locate... but it will be much more erratic as I had hoped as I have mislaid my materials... maybe it was as much whether you had done any articles on grasses and how you went - but even then it might be something I am unable to develop systematically for a while, not sure - case of wait and see... JarrahTree 10:33, 22 January 2019 (UTC)
If I had her book I might have a crack at the Kensington grasses, but the last time I was there, it was just too hard to climb the fence to get decent photographs, plus for grasses even when they are flowering you often need a microscope.... which I don't have when I am in Perth.. So I suspect grasses may well be among the last plants to have good articles on Wikipedia. MargaretRDonald (talk) 17:59, 22 January 2019 (UTC)
next time n perth remind me i have spare copies of hers - very big problem is cross national boundaries - there seem to be 'regional' spread of grasses which doesnt make things easier - after initial idea it has become very low priority after a closer look at things... JarrahTree 23:16, 23 January 2019 (UTC)
Thanks @JarrahTree:. That would be fantastic. (Now I just have to be able to climb the fence and take a sample and look as if that is entirely ok... ) PS I am still working through the plants of Kensington Bushland. MargaretRDonald (talk) 02:08, 24 January 2019 (UTC)
np - the main focus she has is on the scarp - and the other thing for the sw of wa is the destruction of riparine environments - the late luke pen did lots about the recovery of such - that is another possible wa of looking at grasses and similar species that are riverside items JarrahTree 02:20, 24 January 2019 (UTC)

Facto Post – Issue 20 – 31 January 2019

Facto Post – Issue 20 – 31 January 2019
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Everything flows (and certainly data does)

Recently Jimmy Wales has made the point that computer home assistants take much of their data from Wikipedia, one way or another. So as well as getting Spotify to play Frosty the Snowman for you, they may be able to answer the question "is the Pope Catholic?" Possibly by asking for disambiguation (Coptic?).

Amazon Echo device using the Amazon Alexa service in voice search showdown with the Google rival on an Android phone

Headlines about data breaches are now familiar, but the unannounced circulation of information raises other issues. One of those is Gresham's law stated as "bad data drives out good". Wikipedia and now Wikidata have been criticised on related grounds: what if their content, unattributed, is taken to have a higher standing than Wikimedians themselves would grant it? See Wikiquote on a misattribution to Bismarck for the usual quip about "law and sausages", and why one shouldn't watch them in the making.

Wikipedia has now turned 18, so should act like as adult, as well as being treated like one. The Web itself turns 30 some time between March and November this year, per Tim Berners-Lee. If the Knowledge Graph by Google exemplifies Heraclitean Web technology gaining authority, contra GIGO, Wikimedians still have a role in its critique. But not just with the teenage skill of detecting phoniness.

There is more to beating Gresham than exposing the factoid and urban myth, where WP:V does do a great job. Placeholders must be detected, and working with Wikidata is a good way to understand how having one statement as data can blind us to replacing it by a more accurate one. An example that is important to open access is that, firstly, the term itself needs considerable unpacking, because just being able to read material online is a poor relation of "open"; and secondly, trying to get Creative Commons license information into Wikidata shows up issues with classes of license (such as CC-BY) standing for the actual license in major repositories. Detailed investigation shows that "everything flows" exacerbates the issue. But Wikidata can solve it.

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DYK for Ficus coronulata

On 5 February 2019, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Ficus coronulata, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that indigenous peoples in the Northern Territory of Australia would toss fruit of the river fig into rivers to attract turtles? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Ficus coronulata. You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, Ficus coronulata), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

Alex Shih (talk) 00:02, 5 February 2019 (UTC)

got there at last

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Unknown-importance_Australian_biota_articles - under 10k - please it would help if you create new biota articles if you could be please be kind enough to put biota-importance=low - which is the default - so we keep the number under 10 k - it would be much appreciated if you can help with this (keeping the number down that is) - thanks... JarrahTree 08:37, 15 February 2019 (UTC)

Sorry @JarrahTree: to be so slack... PS thanks for noting the orphan status of McKee, (I started another article to reduce his orphan status) MargaretRDonald (talk) 08:45, 15 February 2019 (UTC)
nah no big deal it is all interesting to look at anyways - I would have tried to help re the orphan thing, but hey - it looked difficult! Back to India I say.... JarrahTree 08:51, 15 February 2019 (UTC)

important

as always australian biota gets walked over by mostly unheard eds... [2] - not that I can keep up with some of the more hyperbolic tangents... JarrahTree 06:08, 19 February 2019 (UTC)

@JarrahTree: plonked in my Oppose for what it is worth. MargaretRDonald (talk) 07:33, 19 February 2019 (UTC)
I honestly think when they are on a mission - editors actually involved get ignored...  :( JarrahTree 07:35, 19 February 2019 (UTC)

Books & Bytes, Issue 32

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Books & Bytes
Issue 32, January – February 2019

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Facto Post – Issue 21 – 28 February 2019

Facto Post – Issue 21 – 28 February 2019
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What is a systematic review?

Systematic reviews are basic building blocks of evidence-based medicine, surveys of existing literature devoted typically to a definite question that aim to bring out scientific conclusions. They are principled in a way Wikipedians can appreciate, taking a critical view of their sources.

PRISMA flow diagram for a systematic review

Ben Goldacre in 2014 wrote (link below) "[...] : the "information architecture" of evidence based medicine (if you can tolerate such a phrase) is a chaotic, ad hoc, poorly connected ecosystem of legacy projects. In some respects the whole show is still run on paper, like it's the 19th century." Is there a Wikidatan in the house? Wouldn't some machine-readable content that is structured data help?

File:Schittny, Facing East, 2011, Legacy Projects.jpg
2011 photograph by Bernard Schittny of the "Legacy Projects" group

Most likely it would, but the arcana of systematic reviews and how they add value would still need formal handling. The PRISMA standard dates from 2009, with an update started in 2018. The concerns there include the corpus of papers used: how selected and filtered? Now that Wikidata has a 20.9 million item bibliography, one can at least pose questions. Each systematic review is a tagging opportunity for a bibliography. Could that tagging be reproduced by a query, in principle? Can it even be second-guessed by a query (i.e. simulated by a protocol which translates into SPARQL)? Homing in on the arcana, do the inclusion and filtering criteria translate into metadata? At some level they must, but are these metadata explicitly expressed in the articles themselves? The answer to that is surely "no" at this point, but can TDM find them? Again "no", right now. Automatic identification doesn't just happen.

Actually these questions lack originality. It should be noted though that WP:MEDRS, the reliable sources guideline used here for health information, hinges on the assumption that the usefully systematic reviews of biomedical literature can be recognised. Its nutshell summary, normally the part of a guideline with the highest density of common sense, allows literature reviews in general validity, but WP:MEDASSESS qualifies that indication heavily. Process wonkery about systematic reviews definitely has merit.

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Help me!

I have inserted an image (the top one) in Elizabeth Nodder. It shows in the preview but there is only an empty space in the published article. Can you help?

MargaretRDonald (talk) 22:47, 13 March 2019 (UTC)

The Naturalist's miscellany? I can see that image correctly. Maybe it's a cache issue? You could try reloading the page. Huon (talk) 22:54, 13 March 2019 (UTC)
Great. I'll cease worrying. MargaretRDonald (talk) 23:02, 13 March 2019 (UTC)

Wrong photo for Ursinia anthemoides

As a person who uses Wikipedia but does not write articles, I appreciate the work you do. I want to point out something that seems clearly incorrect: the photo on the page for Ursinia anthemoides appears to be something else altogether, certainly not the variety known as "Solar Fire."2601:644:200:85ED:6871:F66D:BE47:769A (talk) 19:46, 23 March 2019 (UTC) Bill Gretter

Dear Bill, thank you for this. For what it is worth, the photograph is of the seeds ("with their flower like wings" and not of the flower. MargaretRDonald (talk) 20:08, 23 March 2019 (UTC)

Copyright problem on Council of Heads of Australasian Herbaria

Content you added to the above article appears to have been copied from http://www.chah.gov.au/. Copying text directly from a source is a violation of Wikipedia's copyright policy. Unfortunately, for copyright reasons, the content had to be removed and I paraphrased some. Content you add to Wikipedia should be written in your own words. Please leave a message on my talk page if you have any questions. — Diannaa 🍁 (talk) 12:58, 22 February 2019 (UTC)

@Diannaa: Thanks for fixing it. (I got a bit careless, because the text was identical on several source sites...) MargaretRDonald (talk) 12:37, 24 March 2019 (UTC)

Images

Hello Margaret, I am sorry our paths have not crossed at meet-ups. I want to thank you personally for your fantastic maps on plant pages (and everything else as well). Also want you to know I only reverted your edit on the D. pulchellum talk page because there were already two requests for images there. ("Wikipedia requested images of plants" and "Wikipedia requested photographs in Australia".) Three seemed a bit much. I get your meaning though. Now there's just one. `Good thing is, it's prompted me to go looking for images myself when it's in flower - it grows not too far from where I live. (Also to expand the article.) Just need a bit of rain!! Gderrin (talk) 05:12, 23 March 2019 (UTC)

Hopefully, we will catch up soon, and I hope despite the rain you have some luck in your image hunting. MargaretRDonald (talk) 12:41, 24 March 2019 (UTC)

April 2019

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Facto Post – Issue 22 – 28 March 2019

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When in the cloud, do as the APIs do

Half a century ago, it was the era of the mainframe computer, with its air-conditioned room, twitching tape-drives, and appearance in the title of a spy novel Billion-Dollar Brain then made into a Hollywood film. Now we have the cloud, with server farms and the client–server model as quotidian: this text is being typed on a Chromebook.

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The term Applications Programming Interface or API is 50 years old, and refers to a type of software library as well as the interface to its use. While a compiler is what you need to get high-level code executed by a mainframe, an API out in the cloud somewhere offers a chance to perform operations on a remote server. For example, the multifarious bots active on Wikipedia have owners who exploit the MediaWiki API.

APIs (called RESTful) that allow for the GET HTTP request are fundamental for what could colloquially be called "moving data around the Web"; from which Wikidata benefits 24/7. So the fact that the Wikidata SPARQL endpoint at query.wikidata.org has a RESTful API means that, in lay terms, Wikidata content can be GOT from it. The programming involved, besides the SPARQL language, could be in Python, younger by a few months than the Web.

Magic words, such as occur in fantasy stories, are wishful (rather than RESTful) solutions to gaining access. You may need to be a linguist to enter Ali Baba's cave or the western door of Moria (French in the case of "Open Sesame", in fact, and Sindarin being the respective languages). Talking to an API requires a bigger toolkit, which first means you have to recognise the tools in terms of what they can do. On the way to the wikt:impactful or polymathic modern handling of facts, one must perhaps take only tactful notice of tech's endemic problem with documentation, and absorb the insightful point that the code in APIs does articulate the customary procedures now in place on the cloud for getting information. As Owl explained to Winnie-the-Pooh, it tells you The Thing to Do.

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A line

Your approach to contributing to articles is going to be raised at a notice board, it strongly discouraging to get metres of seemingly coherent but actually circular self justification for a minuscule contribution that looks like some who heard of wikipedia yesterday. Your recent contribution read like a talk page comment that somehow ended up in the article. I did hours of work on a high profile page and you inserted some historical data that I had already established was out of date, about two minutes effort maximum on your part and I did not dare touch it for the hours you could waste in discussing you and your contribution. A copy editor revised it your contribution the moment they saw, with a rude comment about the same and I hoped you would start up with them instead. I still work around your contributions if I go near any article you have added before, and avoided articles to avoid your exhausting self-vindication. If someone enjoyed wasting other peoples time this is an excellent way to go about it, but it is possible that you cannot be wrong, either way this is your last warning because I am prepared to invest time in demonstrating a net loss via your contributions. Your options are to accept that everyone else is slightly or very wrong and not waste their time where only you have convinced yourself that you are right to engage in the community in this demonstrably unproductive way. cygnis insignis 17:18, 6 April 2019 (UTC)


tools for checking

thanks for your message - as no one seems to actually go to the biota project page - there will be somethuing even more obscurre coming soon at the project. I will alert all known usual suspects when it is up and adequately provided. The rather horrible over-reliance on online things leads me to despair as to whether all those marvelous books we saw on the shelves in the library that time will ever have credence over online sources. JarrahTree 03:36, 18 April 2019 (UTC)

True, @JarrahTree:, but the old Flora of Australia online has not been updated in donkeys years, and there are so many genera missing (and species) missing, so I am pleased to see there is something happening at last on the commonwealth front. MargaretRDonald (talk) 07:44, 18 April 2019 (UTC)

Category:Taxa by author

Hello Margaret, I've always (well, since recently anyway) had a problem with "Taxa named by ......". I think it should refer to the original author of the plant (or animal?). David Jones was a prolific author of orchid species - he named and described hundreds of species. But he is a "splitter" and often placed them in genera (like Diplodium, Arachnorchis, Oligochaetochilus etc.). The "clumpers" (including Duretto, Backhouse, Shaw and others) then moved them to other, larger genera. The clumpers seem to have won, according to WCSP - APC hasn't covered orchids yet. Nevertheless, it seems to me that Jones should be given credit in "Taxa named by...". Jones did the work collecting, naming, describing and publishing. The others just changed the name "en masse". In other words, I think the category should be "Taxa originally described by....". (There is a "Category:Taxa named by David L. Jones (botanist)".) Over to you! Gderrin (talk) 00:43, 24 April 2019 (UTC)

Hi @Gderrin:. Yes. I, too, would like a category:Taxa first described by..... Nonetheless, I think "Taxa named by" is pretty unambiguous. (But I am leaving this specific example until you change your mind. No worries.) MargaretRDonald (talk) 04:43, 24 April 2019 (UTC)

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Facto Post – Issue 23 – 30 April 2019

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Talk of cloud computing draws a veil over hardware, but also, less obviously but more importantly, obscures such intellectual distinction as matters most in its use. Wikidata begins to allow tasks to be undertaken that were out of easy reach. The facility should not be taken as the real point.

Coming in from another angle, the "executive decision" is more glamorous; but the "administrative decision" should be admired for its command of facts. Think of the attitudes ad fontes, so prevalent here on Wikipedia as "can you give me a source for that?", and being prepared to deal with complicated analyses into specified subcases. Impatience expressed as a disdain for such pedantry is quite understandable, but neither dirty data nor false dichotomies are at all good to have around.

Issue 13 and Issue 21, respectively on WP:MEDRS and systematic reviews, talk about biomedical literature and computing tasks that would be of higher quality if they could be made more "administrative". For example, it is desirable that the decisions involved be consistent, explicable, and reproducible by non-experts from specified inputs.

What gets clouded out is not impossibly hard to understand. You do need to put together the insights of functional programming, which is a doctrinaire and purist but clearcut approach, with the practicality of office software. Loopless computation can be conceived of as a seamless forward march of spreadsheet columns, each determined by the content of previous ones. Very well: to do a backward audit, when now we are talking about Wikidata, we rely on integrity of data and its scrupulous sourcing: and clearcut case analyses. The MEDRS example forces attention on purge attempts such as Beall's list.

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Wikidata weekly summary #468

Here's your quick overview of what has been happening around Wikidata over the last week.
  • Events
    • Ongoing:
      • Data literacy snacks - Talk about "Wikibase knowledge graphs for data management & data science" on 23rd of June. For registration, send e-mail to info@berd-bw.de
    • Upcoming
      • SPARQL queries live on Twitch and in French by Vigneron, May 18 at 18:00 CEST
      • Next Linked Data for Libraries LD4 Wikidata Affinity Group call: Mahir Morshed will be discussing Lexemes in Wikidata; Agenda, May 18th.
      • May 21-22, 2021 [3] Boston Rock City: Explore Wikidata and Learn About Local Music: Boston Public Library is partnering with Harvard Library for a guided exploration of Wikidata and local music history. Join us for two days of music and Wikidata editing; no prior experience or punk cred necessary! This public event is free to all and will take place via Zoom; please register in advance. The subject of this project is the Arthur Freedman Collection, and audiovisual archive that captures over four decades of Boston rock music performances. We’ll provide: instructions, tools, data sources, visualizations, optional Discord chat, and a soundtrack. If you have questions, please contact Harvard Library staff member Peter Laurence at laurenc@fas.harvard.edu.
      • Online Wikidata meetup in Swedish #63, May 23
      • OpenStreetMap Taiwan x Wikidata Taiwan Taipei (Q1867) Meetup 2021-06-07 Mozilla Community Space Taipei (Q61752245).
  • Development
    • Fixed the entity usage dashboards that no longer showed data due to technical issues. It tracks how much data from Wikidata is used on the other Wikimedia projects. (phab:T279762)
    • Configured the Property Suggester to not suggest Google Knowledge Graph ID (P2671) and Wolfram Language entity code (P4839) (phab:T280779)
    • Investigated remaining issue with updating the page_props table on the client wikis, which is confusing some bots making use of that table (phab:T280627)
    • Fixed an issue in the Query Builder where it got confused when adding several conditions with the same Property (phab:T279945)
    • Working on tracking the number of edits per namespace over time (phab:T281356)
    • Working on fixing a bug where old revisions of Items have edit buttons but should not (phab:T281587)
    • Fixing an issue where value suggestions are not showing all values that are defined in the property constraint (phab:T280650)

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Wikidata weekly summary #469

Here's your quick overview of what has been happening around Wikidata over the last week.
  • Development
    • Designing and planning for the first version of a tool to compare Wikidata's data against other databases and find mismatches that might need fixing
    • Looking into unit conversion for the Commons Query Service (phab:T281468)
    • Improving RDF export performance problems for very large Items (phab:T281272)
    • Fixed entity suggestions not showing all Items defined in that Property's constraint (phab:T280650)
    • Removed edit buttons that had reappeared on old revisions of Items where they shouldn't be (phab:T281587)

You can see all open tickets related to Wikidata here. If you want to help, you can also have a look at the tasks needing a volunteer.

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Wikidata weekly summary #470

Here's your quick overview of what has been happening around Wikidata over the last week.
  • Other Noteworthy Stuff
    • Call to participation in interview study to building a recommender system that can help improve the editing experience in Wikidata: Researchers at King's College London develop a personalized recommendation system to suggest Wikidata items for the editors based on their interests and preferences. The researchers are inviting volunteers to interview them about their current ways to choose the items you work on in order to understand the factors that might influence such a decision.
    • dewiki considered, but rejected the introduction of local short descriptions to replace those from Wikidata
    • User:Nikki/LexemeEntitySuggester.js was improved to now
      • automatically suggests the existing senses/forms when using demonstrates sense/form
      • automatically suggests items (based on the lemma matching the label or an alias) when using item for this sense
      • and searches for lemmas exactly matching the input when using synonym, antonym, hyperonym or pertainym
  • Development
    • Italian Wikiversity used Lua on their Recent Changes SpecialPage via overwriting a MediaWiki message. Our code used to not expect that, now it does. (phab:T283240)
    • Updating the panel that tracks Wikidata edits over time in different namespaces to include all namespaces (phab:T281356)
    • Working on adding a new constraints type for Lexemes (phab:T200689)
    • Working on designs for improving Special:NewLexeme
    • Working on designs for the system to find mismatches between Wikidata's data and other databases
    • Fixing some malformed globe-coordinate precisions in the database (phab:T283576)

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