User talk:Kirsten.stanley

Welcome![edit]

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Rutter's[edit]

Moved to Talk:Rutter's

– I believe that this discussion is relevant to the ones shown below, and have moved a copy of it to the Rutter's talk page.Spintendo ᔦᔭ 14:02, 19 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I have reverted your changes to the Rutter's article for the following reasons:

The detailed history you have provided is entirely unsourced, and therefore, not verifiable.
It is misleading to claim that this company has a 270 year history based on the history of the farm from which this company grew. The company itself was founded in the 1920s, and that is what the article should report.
The rest of your updates, regarding Rutter's present product offerings, are blatant promotion and cannot be allowed to remain.

Based on the nature of your writing for this company, I feel compelled to inform you of Wikipedia's policy regarding paid editing: if you are being paid to create this content for Rutter's, you must disclose this relationship. WikiDan61^ChatMe!_ReadMe!! 16:35, 18 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Rutter's Site[edit]

Moved to Talk:Rutter's

– I believe that this discussion is relevant to the ones shown above and below, and have moved a copy of it to the Rutter's talk page.Spintendo ᔦᔭ 14:02, 19 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

@WikiDan61: I am writing you in response to your message. I work for Rutter's and have the right to their history and documentation. I would like to publish this page. If I need to pay to do this, than can you please provide me with more information and how much this would cost? In addition, the history is correct. It is over 270. If you look at the dates, it says 1747. Please read it thoroughly to see that I have provided the correct documentation. I spent a lot of time on this page and would like the information to be published. Please provide me with the information I need to get this information on Wikipedia so that our company is correctly represented. Kirsten.stanley (talk) 16:42, 18 January 2018 (UTC)kirsten.stanley[reply]

Kristen, the question is not whether you have the right to publish Rutter's history, but whether such history is correct and relevant. We would need independent sources to verify such history. And, as I have mentioned, the present company can really only be said to date back to the 1920s, at which point a couple of local dairy farmers began delivering their product commercially. The fact that they were farmers dating back to the 18th century isn't really relevant to the history of the company (even if the company, in their effort to embellish their own image, thinks that it is relevant). The other content you added is unacceptable to Wikipedia under any circumstances, as it is pure marketing, rather than encyclopedic factual content. Also, Wikipedia does not accept money to publish articles; it relies on volunteers (like myself) to create content that is as verifiable and neutral as possible. Company employees are discouraged from creating content about their companies because it is difficult to maintain the necessary neutrality. If you feel that Rutter's needs better visibility, there are other marketing options available. Wikipedia is not a marketing option. WikiDan61^ChatMe!_ReadMe!! 16:49, 18 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

@WikiDan61: Dan, my name is Kirsten. I have let customer service know about their very rude moderator. I apologize for not know Wikipedia's policies. You cannot assume everyone knows how it works. Additionally, I do not appreciate you questioning my knowledge on the company I work for, including the date it was formed. Thank you for giving me a very negative experience with Wikipedia.Kirsten.stanley (talk) 17:04, 18 January 2018 (UTC)kirsten.stanley[reply]

Apologies for misreading your name. To clarify, I am not a moderator of Wikipedia, I am simply a volunteer editor, like all the other editors here at Wikipedia. I am not aware that Wikipedia has a "customer service" department, so I'm not sure to whom you complained. I recommend that if you have a problem with my behavior, you report it at the Administrators' Noticeboard/Incidents. An administrator can review our interaction and take any action deemed appropriate. WikiDan61^ChatMe!_ReadMe!! 18:11, 18 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Edit Request for Rutter's Page[edit]

Moved to Talk:Rutter's

– This is more appropriately handled on the Rutter's talk page.Spintendo ᔦᔭ 14:02, 19 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Paid Disclosure[edit]

Moved to Talk:Rutter's

– This has been copied to the Rutter's talk page.Spintendo ᔦᔭ 14:02, 19 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

This user, in accordance with the Wikimedia Foundation's Terms of Use, discloses that they have been paid by Rutter's for their contributions to Wikipedia.

Kirsten.stanley (talk) 13:19, 19 January 2018 (UTC)kirsten.stanley[reply]

Disputed non-free use rationale for File:Rutter's Logo.png[edit]

Thank you for uploading File:Rutter's Logo.png. However, there is a concern that the rationale provided for using this file on Wikipedia may not meet the criteria required by Wikipedia:Non-free content. This can be corrected by going to the file description page and adding or clarifying the reason why the file qualifies under this policy. Adding and completing one of the templates available from Wikipedia:Non-free use rationale guideline is an easy way to ensure that your file is in compliance with Wikipedia policy. Please be aware that a non-free use rationale is not the same as an image copyright tag; descriptions for files used under the non-free content policy require both a copyright tag and a non-free use rationale.

If it is determined that the file does not qualify under the non-free content policy, it might be deleted by an administrator seven days after the file was tagged in accordance with section F7 of the criteria for speedy deletion. If you have any questions, please ask them at the media copyright questions page. Thank you. WikiDan61^ChatMe!_ReadMe!! 17:21, 12 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

February 2018[edit]

Welcome to Wikipedia. It might not have been your intention, but you recently removed maintenance templates from Rutter's. When removing maintenance templates, please be sure to either resolve the problem that the template refers to, or give a valid reason for the removal in the edit summary. Please see Help:Maintenance template removal for further information on when maintenance templates should or should not be removed. If this was a mistake, don't worry, as your removal of this template has been reverted. Take a look at the welcome page to learn more about contributing to this encyclopedia, and if you would like to experiment, please use the sandbox. Thank you. Cordless Larry (talk) 18:28, 12 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Sources[edit]

Kirsten,

As you continue to develop the Rutter's article, please keep in mind that Wikipedia prefers reliable sources that are independent of the subject. I.e. don't rely on Rutter's website to cite the information you include; rather, cite articles written about Rutter's by independent media, preferably media that is not merely local news coverage (such as the York Daily Record story). WikiDan61^ChatMe!_ReadMe!! 20:20, 12 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

February 2018[edit]

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Promotion[edit]

Ms Stanley, your editing at Rutter's is becoming problematic. Adding content such as

Rutter’s Chocolate Milk has become a favorite and a classic. It is a natural way to give bodies protein. Rutter’s Chocolate Milk is also a source to replenish energy and is a natural alternative to sports drinks. It is full of essential nutrients and gives the body the nutrients to recover and rebuild.

is pure promotion and cannot be allowed at Wikipedia. You have been warned about this in the past. Please do not continue to add promotional material to Wikipedia. WikiDan61^ChatMe!_ReadMe!! 13:07, 13 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

February 2018[edit]

Hello and welcome to Wikipedia. When you add content to talk pages and Wikipedia pages that have open discussion (but never when editing articles), such as at Talk:Rutter's, please be sure to sign your posts. There are two ways to do this. Either:

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Thank you. Cordless Larry (talk) 14:09, 13 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Massive revert[edit]

If you are looking at the article now, you will notice it is substantially shorter. While I have removed some content, most of the loss is from a correction of a copyright violation.

Back on December 16, 2011, an unregistered editor (editing from Stright Hall at IUP, FWIW) added a substantial amount of material to the article. Unfortunately, it was directly copied from Rutter's various websites. Rutter's material is, of course, copyrighted.

While additions of small pieces of copyrighted material can often be corrected by removing the section involved, if caught early enough, this was too long ago and -- apparently -- the material had been moved and shuffled throughout the article by the time anyone noticed the problem. As a result, the only way we could correct the issue was to revert the article to its state before that edit and take the intervening edits down.

Since that point, I have removed some of the material that was up in 2011 and made various changes to material through out. Clearly some of the remaining material is likely to be out of date and we may have lost some sources. - SummerPhD^v2.0 05:11, 15 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]