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your name[edit]

I thought ur name meant IAFguru. i read ur user page and realised its other meaning :)

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Hon Capt and Lt[edit]

Not the same as LT and Capt. These are outstanding long serving JCO's who are promoted in an Honorary capacity and do not go through the selection and training for an officer that other OR's, NCO's/ JCO's go through. There are no Hon Maj, Lt col, Col's, Brig's or Generals. It is different from the Captain or Lt rank in terms of role too, as they continue to do the duties of a JCO.Haphar 14:59, 12 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

My point exactly the Hony Lt and Capt differ in no way from the regular Capt and Lt. Only issue is they are not paid. the Hony Lt and Capts dress exactly the same way as the regular capt and lt and they get exactly the same perks (access to officers mess, saluting etc). No hony colonels? All principals of Vetenary colleages where there is an NCC unit are Hony Colonels. All Nepali Army Chief of Staffs who visit India are given the rank of Honarary Generals. In the Air Force, JRD Tata and Singhania are Hony Air Commodores. iafguru 15:47, 12 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I have responded on the talk page-to repeat. Hon Lt and Capt are regulars and paid. They are not ceremonial and they do fight on the front in case of war unlike JRD/Singhania/Nepalese Generals. NCC and Vet colleges are not the Indian Army. Also their roles are different from a Captain / Lt of the Indian army. So is the selection process, so is the training they have gone through.

On an unrelated point after looking at the claim on your user page. Iafguru is easy for any Indian interested in the defence pages ( and looking at your edit history the arm you favour makes the connection even clearer. :-). Haphar 16:06, 12 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I know its just a joke - lets continue the discussion on hony ranks on the army talk page iafguru 16:16, 12 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

3RR[edit]

I do not know if you are aware of the 3RR rule. Which says in case of two editors not agreeing to something ( like us in the recent discussion) and making changes to each others postings in an articel then the either can make changes or edits not exceeding 3 counts. Else the guilty party can be blocked. We have both been a bit zealous in guarding our POV's. I am proposing to add the Hon ranks. But will do it tomorrow after things cool things of. If you have a major disagreement with that please do let me know. But would request that no more edits or changes are done for 24 hours.Haphar 17:45, 12 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Well, I was adding additional information (and deleting some!). I do disagree that the hon ranks have to be listed as seperate ranks - if you want to bring in a third party to arbitrate you are welcome. iafguru 20:32, 12 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Hindi letters[edit]

Yes, the reason is that India has 24 offficial languages and if you wish to put a particular language you must put all the 24 including Hindi. The same is said in Malayalam and many other languages as vayu sena and even in Sanskrit. It is unncessary to add just one Indian language.

Chanakyathegreat 13:39, 13 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Change to Malayalam[edit]

I had changed it to Malayalam. If you don't want it there replace it just with Bharatiya Vayu Sena.

okay will do

Hindi words may be there on IAF aircrafts or anyother place that does not mean that only Hindi can be there. There is also English written on the aircrafts. Hindi is the official language of India along with 23 other Indian languages. So I request you not to change it to Hindi or any particular language.

If possible provide a good summary of the IAF in the lead section. I had nominated it for the Peer reivew. Next will be the featured article. Chanakyathegreat 13:50, 13 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

jeez, the original article is in english - go tell it to the IAF to paint the mallu letters - not to me.iafguru

You misunderstood me. When I said So I request you not to change it to Hindi or any particular language. means you are not supposed to change it to either Hindi or anyother Indian language like Malayalam. As you said IAF will paint the letters in Mallu and other langs. Just wait for some more years and even in letters it will be truly Indian.

Chanakyathegreat 14:07, 13 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Okay you can change it back, I wont edit it. but if more wikipedians keep changing it back, you will have to agree to the consensus.iafguru 14:25, 13 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Request[edit]

Hi Iafguru, can you have a look at this request please -- Lost^(talk) 07:11, 14 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Operation Chengiz Khan[edit]

Hi Iafguru, I have just started writing an article on Operation Chengiz Khan from the 1971 war. Wondering if you could have a look and may be add in. CheersRueben lys 20:28, 30 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Sure, will take a look and add stuff - BTW i am no more iafguru but jaiiaf. jaiiaf 20:41, 30 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

8 Pass Charlie[edit]

Cheers Jai, also in the note, wonder if you know anything about 8-pass charlie Rueben lys 12:29, 1 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I read about him in the recent 65 Air War book (which the link talks about) - Some story about Indian pilots actually firing at him with pistols was also there. I will check the page numbers and add some bits to it soon. Why not link it from the 65 war page too? jaiiaf 14:47, 1 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Template:1971 Indo-Pak War[edit]

Cheers, but I think the generals who led the important battles, like sagat singh for Operation Cactus-Lilly, or Chandpuri for Battle of Longewala without doubt ought to find a place. But we could possibly have another column for heroes whithin the template, but that'll take time.BTW cheers for Halwara, but since it was hit on the last leg of strikes (what ACIG calls the third wave) does that really fall under the "first strikes" section?Rueben lys 13:43, 2 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Maybe we can create a second and third strikes section - i havent seen the ACIG page but will read it in detail. I didnt realise it was titled first strikes section. However the raid on halwara was very much part of the operation so you can move the entries here and there in correct chrono order jaiiaf 14:29, 2 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Re: Generals and Majors, it is possible to add another section to the template under "Gallantry Awards", although that's gonna take a while 'cause I am a bit busy. Sounds about right???Rueben lys 18:52, 2 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Image from IAF article removed[edit]

It's not fair to remove that image. I left the caption because some one can edit it to make it better. Such stunning displays by the officer is better suited to be in the IAF article. There is no such restrictions that only images of officers with the official dress can be added. Out of the box thinking is required and you must do some research and think twice before removing or editing articles. If you have any suggestions leave a message for me.

Chanakyathegreat 08:27, 17 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Without a caption the image does not make sense. It is better for you to get the caption to illustrate the image. otherwise it is just some guy doing stunts and it does not seem relevant on the IAF page. Moreover the picture should go in an appropriate section - the chap is a Para Jump Instructor - so if there is a section on PJIs or PTS, the image would make a good addition there. However using the image in a section titled "Officers" or "Officers ranks" is plain inappropriate IMHO. jaiiaf 12:15, 17 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Picture of "RIN" Ships[edit]

Oh, allright.

Quotes on Indo Pak Tank Battles[edit]

Very good article. You worked very hard on getting those quotations about the war. I've added a new citation and did some grammer cleanup. Freedom skies 22:13, 27 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Straw-poll on Charles de Gaulle aircraft carrier[edit]

Hi therei Thanks for participating on the Straw Poll in the discussion page of the Charles de Gaulle aircraft carrier. Can you kindly have other persons who can provide an opinion please ? Thanks a lot.

Kargil War prisoners[edit]

Hi, i updated some then left. Now I've doen a better job and included the two sources. one Xinxhua and another tribune. The first one says 2 POWs were released by pak in 2004 in exchange for 1 pakistani soldier in indian camp. thus apart from the existing figure of 8+1=9 for pak and 1(nachiketa)+2(updated stats)=3 POWs for India. Message me if it is still confusing. Tx Idleguy 13:22, 1 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, you are right. The indian prisoners weren't POWs from Kargil. I should have taken more time into reading more about the details from multiple sources before putting it in. Hope you can try to get the pows who were released in '99 and 2000. But only those who were captured during the period of the conflict can be termed as POWs under the article atleast. Tx Idleguy 18:53, 1 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Aftab Kiran[edit]

Aftab Kiran's contributions are all one sided POVs with hardly any source on related topics of the Hyderabad State and Nizam. I tried to talk to him but he engages in personal attacks. He is hellbent on reverting to his version full of mistakes, historical inaccuracies and unsourced. Take a look and decide what we should do. Idleguy 05:51, 8 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

65 Telegram[edit]

I'm glad you found it hilarious - like I did. :-) I was actually searching for some images on East Pakistan in Google image search and found the icdc.com site which had many archives declassified by the US Govt. btw, does the "iaf" in your username refer to IAF? just curious. Idleguy 03:25, 15 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Operation Chengiz Khan improvement[edit]

Hi Jai, I've worked on the Operation Chengiz Khan article for a while and tried to improve it to FA standards. Problem is I've run out of resources, which were mostly online stuff anyway. Wonder if you could have a look, and also pass a judgement on the standard???Cheers.Rueben lys 23:10, 22 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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Operation Chengiz Khan further improvement[edit]

Hi Jai, wonder if you could have a look atthe Operation Chengiz Khan article which is currently a GA nominee. Problem is I've run out of resources, which were mostly online stuff anyway. Wonder if you could have a look and also pass a judgement on the standard???Cheers.Rueben lys 23:10, 22 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Unfortunately tahts about it. I think you covered everything that is available. Tom Coopers article and Air Chief Marshal PC Lals book are the only two that i can think of. There is not much in ACM Lals book. Reg the quality of the article I will take a look at it soon. jaiiaf 15:45, 30 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Jaffna University Helidrop[edit]

Hi jai, wonder if you could have a look at Jaffna University Helidrop? The bharat-rakshak site in the reference is pretty good, but it's pretty hard to discern the essential info without copyvio. I am thinking this is one article we could get to FA with some more (hard) work.Rueben lys 16:23, 1 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

1965 aerial warfare details[edit]

I notice you added some details of aerial warfare in the Second Kashmir War, but I suggest, you can start a new article about the 65 air warfare and then add the details there so that the section in the main war doesn't get too long. I hope you can work on those lines. Thanks Idleguy 06:28, 13 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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British India[edit]

Be so kind and don't change British India links to India in Operators section in aircraft articles. British India existed till 1947, your changes suggest that it was ceased to exist during World Wor Two. Your recent changes in Defiant articles were reverted. Regards, Piotr Mikołajski 20:29, 9 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I respectfully disagree My points - evne in the time of the British - they never called it "British India" or "British Raj" - Everything went by the name India. Forexample, the government was "Government of India" and not "Government of British India" or "Government of British Raj". Similarly there as the "Indian Railways" and the "Indian Air Force" and not the "British Indian Railways / British Raj Railways" or "British Indian Air Force". Even when the Brits created the Indian Air Force they never called it "Royal Indian Air Force" but simply "Indian Air Force". We can argue about the semantics of who ruled what. but as far as terminology is concerned. only "India" existed and not "British India" or "British Raj". I have reverted the changes again. regards jaiiaf 18:39, 10 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

{{INA stub}}[edit]

Hi jai, wonder if you can help. I created a stub for articles to with Azad Hind and Indian National Army, and it has just been nominated deletion on what I thought were more to with MoS grounds rather than substance and importance of the content. I don't know wether you know anything about this at all, but if you do (or if you have any comments), could you please have a look here. Cheers.Rueben lys 12:19, 14 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I have no idea - but I will look into the thing . jaiiaf 16:32, 14 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Bharat Rakshak Reversion[edit]

Hi Jaiiaf, I just wanted to give you a heads up that your reversion to my version is probably going to get you an earful from one of the editors who has a clear and blatant agenda about the page. I've given up because I don't care eough to get into an edit war, but I just wanted to give you advance warning on it. :) Travellingcari (talk) 16:23, 10 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I have no interest in an edit war either. I probably would have got into one - but I have seen this discussion has been initiated by the all concerned [1] so there should not be an edit war till it is resolved - atleast i hope that guy realises he has to stick to a consensus . Thanks for the headsup anyway!jaiiaf (talk) 16:44, 10 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I hope it works. One of his revisions to mine was that it didn't portray the site in a good way -- so at first I thought he had ties to the site, but then he's trying to discredit them. I couldn't follow and gave up. For your sanity, Sniperz' and others involved, I hope it settles. Travellingcari (talk) 16:50, 10 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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Re 1971 Map[edit]

Thanks for the kind words.

The 6th Light Armour was present with the 20th Mountain division - but not all sources mention it - none mentions it's operational area.

The 50th Para Brigade was initially part of the XXXIII corps as Command reserve. In October, 1 battalion was detached for the Taqngail airdrop. On 5 December, the Brigade was sent to the II corps area. Since the map shows the situation prior to December 3rd, the brigade is shown with the XXXIII corps. (Reference: Lt. Gen. JFR Jacob Surrender at Dacca p77 and 105)

I colored the units around Agartola differently: 23rd Division brigades have their numbers underlined in red, 8th division brigades have the frontside colored red. I'll draw the lines also the next time I update.Maglorbd (talk) 14:41, 6 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Re Air Map 1971 Corrections[edit]

Thanks again for you help. Both the ACIG database and Air Marshal P.C Lal's book (Air Chief in 1971) has the No 2 squadron in Dum Dum prior to December 3rd. It moved to Amritsar/Ambala after December 3, please help me with a source that gives the correct information. The squadron web page at IAF website was no help - they are still expanding.

No. 16 initially was Kalaikudda - according to ACIG. When Air Marchal P.C. Lal allocated some of IAF Central command units to the east, it was moved from Gorakpur. I'll update - just give me the source so I can add that in the map reference. If I can put some of the IAF airfields that I have missed in the East - also let me know. I cant put Barrackpur - that area is too messy in the map with other details!Maglorbd (talk) 06:54, 23 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

East Pakistan Air corrections[edit]

Thanks!! I am lookin for PC lal's book - that deals with the squadron allocations. According to Maj. Gen JFR Jacob, he placed some of the Central Air Command squadrons temporarily in Eastern AIR Command bases - so the 16th may have moved from Gorrakpur to Kalaikudda for the war. The total sqaudron tally in most sources state 12 IAF squadrons in the East - if #2 was in West, which one took it's place? No 7 was allocated to the west after DEc 12 - did a similar shift take place after Dec 3 with No 2? I'll update once I go over PC lal's book. Maglorbd (talk) 06:35, 30 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

12 sqns? ah I see you missed No.4 Squadron at Guwahati flying MiG-21s. Another Request - can you rework the titles of the Squadrons - No.4 Squadron IAF is the appropriate way than saying Squadron No 4. jaiiaf (talk) 19:40, 30 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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Alternatively, you can also choose to replace this non-free media by finding freely licensed media of the same subject, requesting that the copyright holder release this (or similar) media under a free license, or by taking a picture of it yourself.

If you have uploaded other non-free media, consider checking that you have specified how these images fully satisfy our non-free content criteria. You can find a list of description pages you have edited by clicking on this link. Note that even if you follow steps 1 and 2 above, non-free media which could be replaced by freely licensed alternatives will be deleted 2 days after this notification (7 days if uploaded before 13 July 2006), per our non-free content policy. If you have any questions please ask them at the Media copyright questions page. Thank you. Fut.Perf. ☼ 07:06, 31 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]