User talk:HOT L Baltimore

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Response to your message

The redirect on the page was not formatted properly, and so I removed it. I erred in doing so; I will remove the content on Jackie Fullerton and restore the redirect to the proper spelling. You could have done this yourself, since it was clearly a mistake on my part. I am puzzled by your second comment, however. Please remember to assume good faith and be civil in your interactions with other users. -- Merope ^Talk 01:01, 22 September 2006 (UTC)

Alexander Theobald Van Lear

I removed your speedy deletion tag from this message. Not every article that should be deleted should be speedily deleted; it's a special subset of the process for dealing with cases that don't require community input. Check out Wikipedia:Introduction to deletion process for a fuller explanation of how deletion happens on Wikipedia. Mangojuice^talk 13:47, 25 September 2006 (UTC)

Category sorting

Please do not include the parenthetical disambiguation portion of an article title after the person's last name in the category sorting. This causes the sorting of the names to be incorrect when there are more than one person with the last name. Persons with the same last name and different first names should be sorted first by their last name, and then by their first name. When you include the parenthetical after the last name, it disrupts this. For example, if you sort John Doe (actor) as "Doe (actor), Joe" this causes that name to appear before Alan Doe. older ≠ wiser 13:16, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

You wrote:

Sorry abput the disambiguation foul-up (i.e. Category:Doe (actor), John).

So should I bother to disambiguate at all, or should it be Category:John Doe (actor)?

Please respond on my talk page.

Thansk for the advice.

HOT L Baltimore 13:30, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

In general, it is probably not necessary. The parenthetical is not a part of a person's name and are often applied somewhat arbitrarily (i.e., "actor" vs. "entertainer" or "basketball" vs. "sports"), so there wouldn't really be any rationale for using it to sort names -- the actual title of the articles appears in the categories, so a reader can tell them apart. AFAIC, the important thing is for all of the persons named John Doe to sort together under Doe, John. older ≠ wiser 13:36, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

Dutch people

Hello there, may I ask you why you are adding the category Dutch people to people who are already in the Dutch people category, but in a deeper category like in Dutch basketballers for instance. See Carla Benschop. I don't think it's necessary to add all Dutch people in the category Dutch people. Same for other nations of course. SportsAddicted 23:46, 28 September 2006 (UTC)

Categories

I've noticed you have been adding categories to articles. Adding parent categories to articles that have a child category is not recommended (for example, Category:Maryland politicians is a parent category of Category:United States Senators from Maryland, so it is not necessary to add both to the article, only the more specific one). Thanks. --tomf688 (talk - email) 23:40, 29 September 2006 (UTC)

Same with the Canadian categories; please don't add Category:Canadian people to articles that are already in a subcategory such as Category:Canadian journalists or Category:Canadian actors. And by the same token, don't add Category:Canadian politicians to a person who's already in Category:Ontario MPPs or Category:Lieutenant Governors of Alberta. Thanks. Bearcat 03:01, 30 September 2006 (UTC)

Hey, no worries; you're pretty new and don't necessarily know all the ins and outs of how we do things yet. Bearcat 03:09, 30 September 2006 (UTC)

I echo Bearcat's last comment. Categorization is a very good thing, just too much of it is... well... too much. :) --tomf688 (talk - email) 01:51, 1 October 2006 (UTC)

Category:Fundraisers

I noticed that you started this category. Are you sure this is a good idea? Virtually every politican raises funds, for example. Every member of the House of Representatives has a quota for contributions to the national committee of the party (the Washington Post ran a story in the last few days about Nancy Pelosi talking to those who hadn't met their quota, for example). Every non-profit of a reasonable size raises funds; every college and university has a "development office" with one or more professional fundraisers; and so on. Exactly what is the category supposed to accomplish? John Broughton | Talk 13:02, 5 October 2006 (UTC)

I agree, and fundraising isn't even limited to non-profits, so the category could ultimately be so large and so vague as to be useless. wikipediatrix 13:42, 5 October 2006 (UTC)

HOTL - you wrote It seemed like a good idea to create a category for fundraisers, given their particular notoriety. I understand your point that every politician raises funds, but that does not necessarily make every politician a professional "fund raiser", I don't think.

The people in the category include Elizabeth Taylor, who in her later life has done fundraising for good causes and Jerry Lewis - are they "notorious"? Many of the other names don't mean anything to mean (Canadian power broker, New Jersey power broker); then there is Jack Abramoff, a lobbyist, and Tom DeLay, a politician, neither of whom could remotely be considered a "professional" fundraiser. I'm having a lot of trouble seeing what these people have in common.

I ran a google search; there were 1,310 results for:

site:wikipedia.org fundraiser "living people"

You also wrote In any event you are free to do what you like, and if you want to recommend it for deletion, I can't stop you. Right, but I want to understand what you're trying to do before I decide (or you decide) that it's not really worth doing. (P.S. - feel free to respond here, to keep comments together.) John Broughton | Talk 16:43, 5 October 2006 (UTC)

Buffalo

Hi there -- I notice you keep adding Joyce Carol Oates as someone from Buffalo. She's not from, and has never lived in Buffalo. She's from Lockport or more specifically Millersport. She was bussed to school in Williamsville which Buffalo eventually grew into, but even then, she never lived there. Thanks. Perdita 06:05, 14 October 2006 (UTC)

Roland Boyes

I see that you added Category:Deaths from Alzheimer's Disease to Roland Boyes. He certainly suffered from it, but may I ask you to give a source that supports the assertion that he died from it? -- ALoan (Talk) 08:33, 15 October 2006 (UTC)

If you read the obituaries, none of them gives a precise cause of death, although all mention his illness. Unless you have a better source, that does specify the cause of death, I am uncomfortable making the assumption. Perhaps he was hit by a car? Perhaps he caught pneumonia? Perhaps he had a heart attack? Who knows, in the absence of any evidence. -- ALoan (Talk) 08:45, 15 October 2006 (UTC)

Category:Wellesley College alumnae

You might want to stop recategorizing articles into the above category until the discussion is complete. It looks like it's just going to remain alumni, and your work will be for nothing. --Kbdank71 16:54, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

• Comment I'm the user who re-initiated the discussion to put the category back to its original name, after I started doing this manually. HOT L Baltimore is absolutely right that this was done behind the backs of everybody actually associated with the original categorization. I put an entry on the discussion page of Wellesley College, and my battle to put proper naming back was ruled to be a draw. I assume we have to first assemble an overwhelming number of enlightened users who understand the institution should matter more than some silly users' small vocabularies when deciding to name a category about the institution. It would also work if the decision was based on the most compelling argument, rather than on some arbitrary rule. Dbackeberg 14:16, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

Levi L. Conant

Why did you delete Clark University alumni from his cats? He attended Clark University at some point and is thus an alumnus. Do not do this again. It is considered vandalism.--Thomas.macmillan 19:04, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

Read Alumnus. That should clear up any problems.--Thomas.macmillan 20:55, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

Thank you for your help

Just wanted to let you know that the Carl R. Fellers article is a DYK on Wikipedia right now. Thank you for your assistance on this. I greatly appreciated it. Chris 13:05, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

Born-again Christians

Just wanted to let you know I've removed the articles from Category:Born-again Christians. There was a discussion here to merge that category into Category:Christian people. Thanks. --Kbdank71 15:52, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

Odd categorization

I was wondering if you could explain the logic behind such categorization? I've been fixed such things several times these recent weeks. Circeus 13:47, 4 November 2006 (UTC)

I am an administrator, and the only thing I've been correctig are the nonsensical attempt to use list markup on categories and sorting categories into themselves (the latter move is particularly ridiculous). If you want to link to a category, use this markup:[[:Category:People from Whatever]]. Circeus 14:00, 4 November 2006 (UTC)

No problem. Happens to all of us. I spent hours trying to get category redirects to work properly before being told it wasn't possible with the current software. Circeus 16:35, 4 November 2006 (UTC)

Bettye Ackerman

Nice editing. You beat me to it!-FateSmiled&DestinyLaughed 22:26, 4 November 2006 (UTC)

Category:People from Potomac, Maryland

Why are you undoing my work? -- ProveIt ^(talk) 17:52, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

I meant this edit. -- ProveIt ^(talk) 18:30, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

Well, it looks like the matter is resolved ... at least Category:People by city in the United States is still there, grandcats are iffy and I wasn't sure if they should stay in the maryland one or not. -- ProveIt ^(talk) 18:42, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

David Davis

FYI, it isn't actually necessary to include disambiguation terms in the second part of a category field, e.g.

[[Category:1815 births|Davis, David (Supreme Court justice)]]

The second half does not control the display, only the alphabetization, and is invisible to the user. Additionally, the disambiguation term can change if an article is moved. See Help:Category#Sort order. Happy editing! --Dhartung | Talk 08:18, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

Help me

Please help re ridiculous and erroneous block by User:Betacommand who is "currently away". I was not spamming anything and I am using my username not an anonymous IP address.HOT L Baltimore 19:20, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

sorry I saw that you had added a bad link, and that you had added links to severail pages. I made a mistake an I am sorry Betacommand ^{(talk • contribs • Bot)} 19:32, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

Florence Klotz

for future reference, please don't add Ms. before a woman's name -- it's unencyclopedic. And don't delete birth names. Respectfully, FateSmiled&DestinyLaughed 02:12, 11 November 2006 (UTC)

I have added examples where her birth name is mentioned in obituaries (sources). And as to the use of Ms., Mrs., etc, I see their use as bias or POV, not necessarily in the scope of Wikipedia, but in general. These are terms of respect, and unjustifiable respect. If you need examples from other encyclopedias, look. You won't find the use of those titles. If you need a model in Wikipedia, look at the Julia Stiles article, a featured article: she is unmarried, a Ms., but you won't see it used. You're right, I can;t find anything on Wikipedia that says, "Don't use Ms., Mrs., etc" but I do see example after example of featured articles where it's not used. For your consideration anyhow... -FateSmiled&DestinyLaughed 23:02, 11 November 2006 (UTC)

Category:Santa Clara University alumni

Are you sure about this one? Everything on their website says Santa Clara University. I really ought to know, I only live like 20 miles north of there ... Oh well. -- ProveIt ^(talk) 00:12, 12 November 2006 (UTC)

links to Suzy Chaffee

Hi, I believe you tagged that article as having few links. I was wondering how may would make it appropriate to remove the tag? Thanks! Debivort 08:19, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

Categorization

People are to be filed in country-specific categories, whenever such exist, rather than in general categories. Please do not replace specific categories such as Category:Canadian pop singers with general ones such as Category:Pop singers, as you did on Martha Wainwright. Bearcat 09:36, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

MORE Categorization

thanks for categorising "Ian Copeland", however, the page clearly states he is NOT a musican. please pay more attention in future

80.177.10.254 21:31, 6 January 2007 (UTC)

AfD nomination of Travis Liles

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Century Tower

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AfD nomination of Sherron Rolax

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New Zealand civil/public servants

Please see my proposal to merge or rename Category:New Zealand civil servants, Category:New Zealand public servants & Category:New Zealand Māori civil servants. Hugo999 (talk) 04:51, 21 November 2012 (UTC)

Category:American female impersonators

Category:American female impersonators, which you created, has been nominated for possible deletion, merging, or renaming. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the Categories for discussion page. Thank you. Naraht (talk) 19:39, 25 March 2014 (UTC)