User talk:Ggggt
Ggggt (block log • active blocks • global blocks • contribs • deleted contribs • filter log • creation log • change block settings • unblock • checkuser (log))
Request reason:
I have no idea why I am blocked. The details you give are minimal. It's like being accused without being told the charge. Sock puppetry is mentioned but without any explanation. I have only this one account which I am logged in on via various devices and use for occasional contributions plus general viewing. I suspect your logfile interpretation might be unfairly aggressive? If you don't want my small contributions then feel free to leave me blocked and I'll leave you to your fun. But if you want my small help then please undo this silliness. Thanks. Ggggt (talk) 23:52, 14 February 2020 (UTC)
Decline reason:
You are not directly blocked. Without the complete block message that you get when you try to edit, we don't know which block you are referring to, why it was placed, or whom it was intended for. It is possible, even likely that the block in question was not intended for you. SQLQuery me! 00:22, 15 February 2020 (UTC)
If you want to make any further unblock requests, please read the guide to appealing blocks first, then use the {{unblock}} template again. If you make too many unconvincing or disruptive unblock requests, you may be prevented from editing this page until your block has expired. Do not remove this unblock review while you are blocked.
Ggggt (block log • active blocks • global blocks • contribs • deleted contribs • filter log • creation log • change block settings • unblock • checkuser (log))
Request reason:
I did read the instructions, which are a longwinded statement that it's up to me to work out and convince you to undo something imposed on me with minimal explanation. There is only one block (as far as I know), the explanation of why it was placed is nearly meaningless (see below), and I can hardly explain why an admin applied it to me when you say it's likely it may have been intended from someone else (see above). The vague note on the block says "squelch sock account creation and IP socking, multiple sockmasters". The sockpuppetry explanation covers almost any account-related transgression. How exactly am I supposed to convince you that I don't have any other accounts, that I haven't edited anything for 6 weeks, and that no one else in my location edits wikipedia that I am aware of? The IP address stated is from my ISP and is probably dynamic. I have no access to your log file lines that are troubling the admin who blocked me. Thus a presumably over-zealous admin has put me in this situation by blocking without giving me proper facts, and left me to convince you of a series of negatives. I'm effectively accused of being untrustworthy but require your trust to reverse this. I'd like you to ponder this for a second before declining an unblock again. Ultimately, you need to decide whether wikipedia wants to take this risk for my small contribution and support. Thanks.
Decline reason:
You are not directly blocked. Please exactly follow the instructions which appear when you attempt to edit. If you do not do so, we cannot find the block affecting this account. Yamla (talk) 12:50, 15 February 2020 (UTC)
If you want to make any further unblock requests, please read the guide to appealing blocks first, then use the {{unblock}} template again. If you make too many unconvincing or disruptive unblock requests, you may be prevented from editing this page until your block has expired. Do not remove this unblock review while you are blocked.
Ggggt (block log • active blocks • global blocks • contribs • deleted contribs • filter log • creation log • change block settings • unblock • checkuser (log))
Request reason:
Look, this is silly. I am clearly blocked. The edit page says "You are currently unable to edit Wikipedia. You are still able to view pages, but you are not currently able to edit, move, or create them. Editing from 78.17.0.0/17 has been blocked (disabled) by Berean Hunter for the following reason(s): ... (no reason given but lots of words in box) ... Registered users ... If you are unable to edit while logged in you may request IP block exemption to bypass blocks unconnected with you that affect your editing. Post an unblock request to your user talk page. ... (end of wordy box) : squelch sock account creation and IP socking, multiple sockmasters" (presumably the explanation?). Simple logic says I must be blocked if I require a block exemption? There's nothing more I can tell you. Surely admins can see all this since they impose blocks? When I read the (longwinded and vague) linked instructions there are (longwinded) directions for the user to explain something which isn't itself clearly explained to the user. The two responses I have had to my unblock request so far lead me to understand: 1. the block most likely isn't anything to do with me; 2. neither me nor random subsequent admins see (directly) the reason for the block; 3. although the block was imposed by an initial admin, all responsibility is placed on a user to convince subsequents randomly selected admin why it should not have been. The information required and the criteria for the decision are not explicitly stated. There is even an ironic statement "Understand what you did and why you have been blocked", when I haven't done anything and have not been clearly informed. the only apparent mention is of sockpuppetry which can only be rebutted by claiming negatives. So whichever random (volunteer) admin next reads this will make a subjective decision. I would like to respectfully suggest this block/unblock process is in dire need of a rethink. Please could you simply give an block exemption for (aka unblock) my user. Thanks.
Decline reason:
I am disabling this unblock request as it seems the block may no longer be effective: see below. However, if you do find yourself still blocked, please re-enable this request, or post another one. JBW (talk) 17:29, 23 February 2020 (UTC)
If you want to make any further unblock requests, please read the guide to appealing blocks first, then use the {{unblock}} template again. If you make too many unconvincing or disruptive unblock requests, you may be prevented from editing this page until your block has expired. Do not remove this unblock review while you are blocked.
- Your attitude towards the people who have tried to help leaves a lot to be desired. ST47 (talk) 19:35, 15 February 2020 (UTC)
- There's nothing wrong with the process. The block is necessary to prevent extensive vandalism and block evasion, even though it does affect innocent people. We said that you were not directly blocked- as in your account itself was not blocked, not that you weren't blocked at all. We could not help until you provided the entire message with its IP address, as you did above. A CheckUser needs to examine this block before you can be given an exemption. 331dot (talk) 10:23, 16 February 2020 (UTC)
- Berean Hunter this is a CU block of yours, so can you look at it and see whether you think there is justification for some change, such as IP block exemption or making the block anon-only?
- Ggggt years ago I was once prevented from editing by an IP block which was no fault of mine. That was, of course, very frustrating, just as this block must be for you. However, I didn't rant on about how unreasonable the blocking administrator was, or how foul the blocking process was. I accepted that, unpleasant though it was for me, the block was necessary to prevent damage to the encyclopaedia, and unfortunately there is no way of blocking IP addresses without sometimes causing collateral damage to innocent bystanders. JBW (talk) 14:57, 20 February 2020 (UTC)
- It is a fair criticism that my tone was unhelpful. I contend the information is opaque and logic flawed. I accept you are consistent with your procedures and values. I can wait until the block expires. Eppur si muove Ggggt (talk) 19:27, 20 February 2020 (UTC)
- I certainly don't think that either the blocking process or the unblocking process is perfect, in several ways, including lack of clarity in some of teh information presented to blocked editors. However, as far as your situation is concerned, my impresssion is that you probably are genuinely suffering collateral damage from a block that is nothing to do with you, in which case something should be done to enable you to edit again; perhaps temporary IP block exemption. However, only a CheckUser is allowed to deal with a CheckUser block, and I am not one, so the best I can do is to ask a CheckUser to look at the block. As you can see above, I asked Berean Hunter, the administrator/CheckUser who placed the block, to look at it, but I now see that he has not edited for several weeks, so waiting for him may take a long time. Ponyo, I see that you have been editing recently, so would you be willing to look into this? JBW (talk) 15:52, 23 February 2020 (UTC)
- I bet if Ggggt edited now, they would discover that they are no longer blocked; their most recent edit shows their IP has changed and is no longer in the blocked range. --jpgordon𝄢𝄆 𝄐𝄇 17:20, 23 February 2020 (UTC)
- Thanks, Jpgordon. If I'd known you were going to come along I wouldn't have pinged Ponyo. Sorry, Ponyo.
- Ggggt, in view of what Jpgordon has said I am closing your unblock request, to prevent further administrators from wasting time coming here to check a request that is no longer relevant. However, if you find you are still unable to edit then please restore the unblock request. JBW (talk) 17:29, 23 February 2020 (UTC)
- I bet if Ggggt edited now, they would discover that they are no longer blocked; their most recent edit shows their IP has changed and is no longer in the blocked range. --jpgordon𝄢𝄆 𝄐𝄇 17:20, 23 February 2020 (UTC)