User talk:Dr Vincent Covello

Help me!

Please help me with... I am freaking out. I just spent more than an hour creating a page: Dr Vincent Covello and it's gone! I previewed it many times, then PUBLISHED it. When I go back to the Wikipedia search bar...it says there is no page. Also, I tried to upload two images that are property of Dr. Covello and it says I don't have permission to upload images. MOST important please help me find the page I edited and published. OR...is there a lag time for SEEING the published page? Thank you Thank you Thank you Dr Vincent Covello (talk) 02:23, 6 December 2021 (UTC)

Hi there, this account only has two edits, this one and the one you did at the Teahouse. There are no additional edits, even any that were deleted. Are you sure this is the account you were making those initial edits on? {{ping|IVORK}} me on response — IVORK _Talk 02:34, 6 December 2021 (UTC)

Yes, I spent over an hour editing it. I probably made 30 edits. I don't understand why/how it disappeared... Dr Vincent Covello (talk) 02:35, 6 December 2021 (UTC)

Well it definitely wasn't with this account. Try searching your emails or history to try find the account or URL linked to the article — IVORK _Talk 02:36, 6 December 2021 (UTC)

In the meantime, IS there a lag time for pages to publish OR do they publish instantly? Dr Vincent Covello (talk) 02:36, 6 December 2021 (UTC)

No, all edits are processed instantly, while some already-established pages do hold changes, they still show up in the logs. Additionally, editors of Wikipedia are highly discouraged from creating/editing articles about themselves due to introduced conflicts of interest — IVORK _Talk 02:38, 6 December 2021 (UTC)

I am not being contrary. This makes NO sense. The entire time I was editing, I saw the account name. Dr Vincent Covello (talk) 02:38, 6 December 2021 (UTC)

While I don't doubt that, there is 0 history of those actions from your account. As aforementioned, check your email/internet history to try find the account name/page URL you were editing. You can also just type in response, you don't need a {{help me}} template every time — IVORK _Talk 02:40, 6 December 2021 (UTC)

Thank you. BTW, I am not Dr. Covello. I am creating a page about him. IF I have to re-create the page, I will, but I am really nervous that it won't publish again. I hit PUBLISH several times after revisions. Dr Vincent Covello (talk) 02:42, 6 December 2021 (UTC)

Up until the point where you click on the "Publish" button, your edits remain only in your browser and have not been sent to Wikipedia's servers.

The action of the "Publish" button is to save your content on Wikipedia's servers. There's a notice above the button informing you of the terms of use and the kind of license you are agreeing to.

In almost all cases, the "Publish" action is immediate (you may get an error message if there's a problem somewhere). The content is saved on Wikipedia's servers and anyone who knows where to look can view it.

The "Publish" button does not submit the content for review at Articles for Creation nor does it make the content searchable with search engines. — jmcgnh^{(talk) (contribs)} 02:43, 6 December 2021 (UTC)

There's a button named "Preview" next to the "Publish" button. Some people mistakenly think they do the same thing. — jmcgnh^{(talk) (contribs)} 02:44, 6 December 2021 (UTC)

If inciteful, your account is only 33 minutes old at my time of posting, so only 10 minutes old when you posted this help request — IVORK _Talk 02:46, 6 December 2021 (UTC)

First, thanks to both of you for your comments. Second, I am sorry I keep creating a new template each time. The last person wrote: You can also just type in response, you don't need a {{help me}} template every time ...BUT the page with your answer is NOT editable. I don't know how to just reply without creating a new template. Apology. This is my FIRST time creating a WIKI page. Dr Vincent Covello (talk) 02:47, 6 December 2021 (UTC) BTW, I did not confuse the PREVIEW and the PUBLISH buttons. I have a lot of experience editing on websites. Just not on WIKI...and I know I hit PUBLISH several times... Dr Vincent Covello (talk) 02:48, 6 December 2021 (UTC)

There should be an edit button in the top right of the screen, or next to the Help me! section title — IVORK _Talk 02:49, 6 December 2021 (UTC)

OK. TYSM, I found the EDIT button! It still makes no sense to me how I LOST an hour+ worth of work....

Again, your account was 10 minutes old at the time you started this help request, hence the doubt that this is the account you used to do that work. Check your internet history. — IVORK _Talk 02:56, 6 December 2021 (UTC)

I'm NOT sure I understand. When I check my INTERNET history, all it shows is these threads. BTW, I have two help threads going on here. The other (not sure if you can see??) wrote;

It appears you may have made the all-too-common mistake of naming your account after the subject you intend to write about. You need to change your username to represent you and to avoid any possibility of impersonation. Go to Special: GlobalRenameRequest to change your username. — jmcgnh(talk) (contribs) 02:51, 6 December 2021 (UTC) I replied...

THANK YOU for explaining that...I wondered about that. A month ago or so, I created an account named DVCeditor for the purpose of creating the DR VINCENT COVELLO page...(I must have read somewhere what you just explained)...but tonight I was confused when the title of the page came up as DVC Editor, bc I want the page to be DR VINCENT COVELLO... I am SORRY, the instructions for creating a wiki page are overwhelming... I still have the DVCeditor page somewhere. I abandoned it. I cannot see where to retrieve it. Maybe I MISSED the easy-to-follow instructions -- step by step how to create a Wiki page. Can you direct me there please?

I SO APPRECIATE your time and help. Can you tell me HOW/WHERE I can LOCATE my two accounts?

This is the talk page of DVCeditor: User talk:DVCeditor. We can't help you log back into it, but if you lost your password, it's possible to recover if you attached an e-mail to the account. Wikignome Wintergreen^talk 03:12, 6 December 2021 (UTC)

Regarding the above, when I click on that link; Talk:DVCeditor, ALL it shows is our conversation thread. It does not take me to a page to RE-CREATE the Dr. Covello page.

• • SORRY, I found it. There are TWO tabs, one for talk and the other User Page. LM ask you this...IS the right way to do this is to use the SUBJECT LINE for Dr. Vincent Covello. E.g., if someone creates a page on Ebola, is Ebola the subject ?

User name problem

It appears you may have made the all-too-common mistake of naming your account after the subject you intend to write about. You need to change your username to represent you and to avoid any possibility of impersonation. Go to Special:GlobalRenameRequest to change your username. — jmcgnh^{(talk) (contribs)} 02:51, 6 December 2021 (UTC)

THANK YOU for explaining that...I wondered about that. A month ago or so, I created an account named DVCeditor for the purpose of creating the DR VINCENT COVELLO page...(I must have read somewhere what you just explained)...but tonight I was confused when the title of the page came up as DVC Editor, bc I want the page to be DR VINCENT COVELLO... I am SORRY, the instructions for creating a wiki page are overwhelming... I still have the DVCeditor page somewhere. I abandoned it. I cannot see where to retrieve it. Maybe I MISSED the easy-to-follow instructions -- step by step how to create a Wiki page. Can you direct me there please?

You might find the Wikipedia:Article wizard helpful. You must have been logged in to your other account earlier today? An account with that name posted on the Teahouse asking about changing the name of a page. Wikignome Wintergreen^talk 03:05, 6 December 2021 (UTC)

I WILL try that link, thank you. But no, I abandoned the first account DVCeditor) and created a second one (Dr Vincent Covello)...that was the account that I created the page about him, AND that I previewed numerous times, and PUBLISHED numerous times... I know I was on the Dr. Vincent Covello page, I could see it in the upper right corner the whole time I was working.

User:DVCeditor has no edits other than the two to the Teahouse as well, in terms of creating the article I would start out at WP:AfC, taking the advice there and using the Click here to start a new article button — IVORK _Talk 03:10, 6 December 2021 (UTC)

Thank you...This is helpful. i will do that. I have a question regarding Copy/paste. I did a copy/paste from my own word doc -- what I had written. That is NOT a problem right?

As long as it's entirely in your own words - not copied from anything published previously anywhere else - no, that's not a problem, though you'd have to do some formatting adjustments. Please don't forget the rename thing. Wikignome Wintergreen^talk 03:16, 6 December 2021 (UTC)

I am so sorry, I still am very confused about the rename thing. I currently have two 'accounts' or user names...Since I want to create a Dr. Vincent Covello page, I should abandon the "Dr Vincent Covello' user name, right? SO, I should go back to the DVCeditor USER NAME? IF that is a "YES" please lmk... AND HOW DO I FIND THAT PAGE?

Yes, abandon this account and go back to DVCeditor, if you still have access to it. I'm not sure what you mean by "how do I find that page" - which page? I linked to the DVCeditor talk page above; I'm not sure what other page is relevant. The page for logging in? Wikignome Wintergreen^talk 03:28, 6 December 2021 (UTC)

Thank you. I finally realize that there are TWO tabs, one that shows our conversation (TALK) and the other to create the page (USER PAGE)... AND regarding "abandon" the other user page. Is there a way to delete it? AND...another Q please... IF I want to create a hyperlink, e.g., the CDC, is it OK to link to the external page, i.e., the CDC website vs. the wiki page for CDC?

There's a bit of confusion here - a user page is different from an account. Each account has a user page, which is meant for sharing information about the user, as regards their work here on Wikipedia. They are not for writing articles - do not write an article there! Also, deleting a user page will not delete an account. Accounts can't be deleted at all, for various reasons.

No, do not hyperlink to the CDC website. That's called an external link and their use is quite strictly limited in an article.

Give me a few minutes and I'll try to write up some simple step-by-step instructions for how to proceed from here. Wikignome Wintergreen^talk 03:37, 6 December 2021 (UTC)

Thank you. I am DEF confused. UGH. FYI, I had prob. 10, if not more links. Each time i typed in, e.g., U.S. Department of Defense, the pop-up said; there is not wiki entry. I thought that was odd. So I used the external link option for all of the hyperlinks. So, IF i write that Dr. Covello is a consultant for the U.S. Department of Defense, that the use of that link is restricted??? The links are all like: DOD, EPA, CDC, WHO, University of Cambridge, Columbia University, Wiley press...so I cannot use any of them as reference hyperlinks? I am sure that Wiki would rather me use the CDC wiki link vs the CDC homepage, but in some cases, the external sites are more in-depth. Your response to this issue is VERY much apprecated!

I would recommend taking a very close, careful look at some other biographies here on Wikipedia to see how things are done. For instance, check out Geoff Garrett, which I recently helped overhaul. Look at what is linked and how. Look at the references being used and in what way they're used. Look at the layout, formatting, etc. Even better would be to check out a really, really, really good article like, say, Albert Einstein, but that might be a bit long and complex for a newbie! Anyway, we can continue this discussion on the talk page of DVCeditor once you've logged into that account. Wikignome Wintergreen^talk 04:02, 6 December 2021 (UTC)

OK GOT IT, I will LOG OUT HERE and log back in with DVCeditor...I hope I don't lose you... YOU'VE BEEN SO HELPFUL. TYSM again!

Step by step

1. Log out of this account.

2. Log in to the DVCeditor account.

3. On the user page of DVCeditor, write something along these lines: "This user has also used an account named Dr Vincent Covello; that account has been abandoned." (This is so you don't ever get in trouble for having used multiple accounts, something we generally frown upon; being open about it mostly makes things okay.)

4. Follow this link, which I'll also put on the talk page of DVCeditor: Wikipedia:Articles for creation.

5. Read the page carefully. Editing Wikipedia involves a lot of reading, best get used to it early!

6. Click the blue button on that page which says, "Click here to start a new article."

7. Follow the instructions.

I'd recommend practicing in your sandbox a bit, which is an option you'll see on the first page when you start the article creation process (a blue button labeled "Practice in your personal sandbox"), but you can forge on ahead and start a draft if you feel comfortable. Wikignome Wintergreen^talk 03:54, 6 December 2021 (UTC)

This is SO helpful...TYSM. IF I may, are you able to answer my other questions before I sign off?Dr Vincent Covello (talk) 03:56, 6 December 2021 (UTC)

Opps, I just realized that when I used the 4 tildes, I signed off with the signature of the account I need to abandon. There are a few other questions above. Regarding the hyperlinks (wiki vs external) and here is the final one: I am a former journalist and def. understand the need for factual info vs 'marketing' speak. This is easy wrt to Dr. Covello, with one possible exception. I know anyone could claim themselves a world expert, but in Dr. Covello's case, I want to write: "Dr. Vincent T. Covello, director of the Center for Risk Communication, is one of the world’s leading experts and practitioners on risk, crisis, and high concern communications." I don't have a citation for him being 'one of the world's leading experts..." but given his 40+ year career, his global work and reputation as author, consultant, CAN I say "one of the world's leading experts..." the operative phrasing being "one of"...OR will I get dinged for that?

Nope. You can't say anything that is not backed up by a reliable, independent, published source. Not a thing. And you must cite your source for every statement. This especially applies to biographies of living people - our standards are very, very high for such articles. We can continue this discussion on the talk page of your other account. Wikignome Wintergreen^talk 04:05, 6 December 2021 (UTC)

OK, I am back at DVCeditor. And, I will follow all of your instructions. I DEF get that WIKI standards are VERY HIGH/STRICT as they should be. I will look at the examples you have suggested. So basically someone like WSJ or NYT woujld have to print that Dr. Covello was 'one of the world's leading experts on xyz..." and I would have either cite or hyperlink that?

Again, I am super appreciative of your help. I was warned that creating a page like this would be challenging or time-consuming...and that there are people out there for hire that know all of this that people pay to create wiki pages...it definitely requires a lot of education. So thanks so much again!DVCeditor (talk) 04:11, 6 December 2021 (UTC)