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Welcome![edit]

Hello, Cristian325, and welcome to Wikipedia! Thank you for your contributions. I hope you like the place and decide to stay. Unfortunately, one or more of the pages you created, such as Ana Maldonado, may not conform to some of Wikipedia's guidelines, and may not be retained.

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Speedy deletion nomination of Ana Maldonado[edit]

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A tag has been placed on Ana Maldonado requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section G12 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because the article or image appears to be a clear copyright infringement. This article or image appears to be a direct copy from http://kingjesusministry.org/about-us/our-pastors/. For legal reasons, we cannot accept copyrighted text or images borrowed from other web sites or printed material, and as a consequence, your addition will most likely be deleted. You may use external websites as a source of information, but not as a source of sentences. This part is crucial: say it in your own words. Wikipedia takes copyright violations very seriously and persistent violators will be blocked from editing.

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Speedy deletion nomination of Guillermo Maldonado (Apostle)[edit]

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A tag has been placed on Guillermo Maldonado (Apostle) requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section G12 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because the article or image appears to be a clear copyright infringement. This article or image appears to be a direct copy from http://kingjesusministry.org/about-us/our-pastors/. For legal reasons, we cannot accept copyrighted text or images borrowed from other web sites or printed material, and as a consequence, your addition will most likely be deleted. You may use external websites as a source of information, but not as a source of sentences. This part is crucial: say it in your own words. Wikipedia takes copyright violations very seriously and persistent violators will be blocked from editing.

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January 2014[edit]

Welcome to Wikipedia. It might not have been your intention, but in this recent edit you removed a speedy deletion tag from Guillermo Maldonado (Apostle), a page you have created yourself. If you believe the page should not be deleted, you may contest the deletion by clicking on the button that says: Click here to contest this speedy deletion and appears inside the speedy deletion notice. This will allow you to make your case on the page's talk page. Administrators will consider your reasoning before deciding what to do with the page. Thank you. Excirial (Contact me,Contribs) 21:11, 7 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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  • a mother produced medical documents stating a diagnosis of her unborn child with [Turner Syndrome]] while it was still in her womb. She explained that after Guillermo Maldonado prayed for her, the

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Ana Maldonado[edit]

Hi Cristian325, I noticed that you blanked the article Ana Maldonado. Did you want to request that the article be deleted, or did you still want to expand it? We can't have an empty article, so either something has to go there and you can take your chances with whether or not it will survive, or you can request for it to be deleted. Also, you might want to consider using the Articles for Creation process, which will give you some time to work on your article and get it up to snuff before it goes live. Regards, Cyphoidbomb (talk) 21:21, 7 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Guillermo Maldonado article[edit]

Okay, so here's what I've done: I've copied and pasted the current version of the Maldonado article (the one without the copyright infringements) to a sub-page in your userspace. You can find it here: User:Cristian325/Guillermo Maldonado (pastor). This is NOT a live article, this is a place for you to work on your article until you get it to a point where it can be released. What I would also recommend, is that you make contact with some of the folks at WikiProject Christianity. I started a discussion about the article here. Make friends, listen to advice and see what that community can suggest to improve the article. Hope that helps. Sorry you had a rocky afternoon. :) Cyphoidbomb (talk) 21:45, 7 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Reply[edit]

Hi, thanks for message. You can sign your comments automatically using four tildes ~~~~. Cyphoidbomb has sandboxed the text for you to work on, but I thought it would help if I explained my action. I deleted your article because

  • it did not provide adequate independent verifiable sources to enable us to verify the facts and show that it meets the notability guidelines. Although you gave some references, they were often to your site or similar pages, not to genuine third party sources
  • it was written in a promotional tone. Articles must be neutral and encyclopaedic. Examples of unsourced claims presented as fact include: His redemptive power... believes he has been given a specific mission to convert 12 percent of the Miami population... to expand the Gospel to all the nations of the worldbelieves God has called him to establish a church ministry... Maldonado was called to ministry by God... the presence of God filled his room... His strong burden is to guide every student to fulfil their calling through the supernatural power of God... is married to Prophet — You obviously feel strongly about your faith, but religious fervour is not encyclopaedic content. I regularly delete articles about religion, in particular, because they try to spread the word or venerate their holy men rather than give verifiable facts.
  • The whole of the "Vision" and "Mission" sections are just promoting yourself and your particular brand of religion.

I hope this helps, Jimfbleak - talk to me? 18:17, 8 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Reply[edit]

Hi, thanks for message. You can sign your comments automatically using four tildes ~~~~. Cyphoidbomb has sandboxed the text for you to work on, but I thought it would help if I explained my action. I deleted your article because

  • it did not provide adequate independent verifiable sources to enable us to verify the facts and show that it meets the notability guidelines. Although you gave some references, they were often to your site or similar pages, not to genuine third party sources
  • it was written in a promotional tone. Articles must be neutral and encyclopaedic. Examples of unsourced claims presented as fact include: His redemptive power... believes he has been given a specific mission to convert 12 percent of the Miami population... to expand the Gospel to all the nations of the worldbelieves God has called him to establish a church ministry... Maldonado was called to ministry by God... the presence of God filled his room... His strong burden is to guide every student to fulfil their calling through the supernatural power of God... is married to Prophet — You obviously feel strongly about your faith, but religious fervour is not encyclopaedic content. I regularly delete articles about religion, in particular, because they try to spread the word or venerate their holy men rather than give verifiable facts.
  • The whole of the "Vision" and "Mission" sections are just promoting yourself and your particular brand of religion.

I hope this helps, Jimfbleak - talk to me? 18:13, 8 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Your submission at Articles for creation: Guillermo Maldonado (pastor) (January 9)[edit]

Thank you for your recent submission to Articles for Creation. Your article submission has been reviewed. Unfortunately, it has not been accepted at this time. Please view your submission to see the comments left by the reviewer. You are welcome to edit the submission to address the issues raised, and resubmit if you feel they have been resolved.

Thank you for your contributions to Wikipedia! The Ukulele Dude - Aggie80 (talk) 19:01, 9 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]


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Your submission at Articles for creation: Guillermo Maldonado (pastor) (January 9)[edit]

Thank you for your recent submission to Articles for Creation. Your article submission has been reviewed. Unfortunately, it has not been accepted at this time. Please view your submission to see the comments left by the reviewer. You are welcome to edit the submission to address the issues raised, and resubmit if you feel they have been resolved.

Thank you for your contributions to Wikipedia! MatthewVanitas (talk) 19:01, 9 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Comments[edit]

Hi, thanks for message. You can sign your comments automatically using four tildes ~~~~. I made some minor edits, just manual of style stuff. You should keep the article title as Guillermo Maldonado (pastor). The description should be the job, not a title. I've deleted the old article so that you can move this article back to the correct title.

A couple of style things, which you are not obliged to follow but will improve the article's appearance.

  • If you format your references as <ref>[url description]</ref>, instead of bare urls, it will look much better and be helpful to your readers
  • You have lots of one or two sentence sections, makes it look listy. better to roll the content into longer sections

Content issues

  • According to the Christian News Report, King Jesus Ministry is the largest Hispanic church in the United States is actually sourced to a blog, which is not a reliable source. You need to find a better source or remove the claim.
  • The scribd references are written by you or your affiliates, and are not independent sources. They are also promoting your books, which is not permitted.
  • Guillermo Maldonado also preaches the message of Jesus and His redemptive power—better as Guillermo Maldonado also preaches what he sees as the message of Jesus and His redemptive power— other religious leaders may have different views. Although you may well believe yours is the only true version, that may not be accepted by everyone, so you need to qualify
  • In a church service, he “prophesied” resurrection; at that moment, someone in the hospital morgue came back to life after being dead for 23 hours.— You present this as cause and effect, rather than coincidence. You believing that you have the power to raise the dead doesn't mean that it is true. I could claim that any unlikely survival was due to my prayers. To support this claim, you need a proper medical reference that she was dead, and independent evidence that you predicted the resurrection of this particular person in advance, rather than discovered it afterwards.
  • In another occasion a mother produced medical documents stating a diagnosis of her unborn child with Turner Syndrome while it was still in her womb. She explained that after Guillermo Maldonado prayed for her, the baby was born without the condition. — "claimed", rather than "explained"— Again, she and you may believe that it's cause and effect, but an independent observer might not accept your divine intervention as provable, so you can't state it as fact

I hope this helps Jimfbleak - talk to me? 07:02, 10 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I think you will just have to see what happens now. I think you have established notability, and there are plenty of references. It's possible that you explanation of your views and teaching may still be seen as promotional, but no point worrying about that until it happens. Jimfbleak - talk to me? 19:20, 10 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Good work![edit]

Hey Cristian325, I gotta say, it was shaky for you at first, and I was a little concerned that you might just be a propaganda machine, but in spite of the copy-pasting, and copyright infringements, and multiple page moves and all that stuff, I have to admit you've demonstrated a genuine willingness to create a quality article, to listen to community input, to yield and make changes where appropriate, and all without stubbornness, a hostile word, or even an unfriendly tone. You did a great job, even if you may have a teensy conflict of interest.

While I am not a religious man m'self, I would like to offer you this:

The Christianity Barnstar
For demonstrating core Christian values of humbleness, kindness, gratitude, honesty, and a willingness to learn and to contribute. Enjoy! It's well-deserved! Cyphoidbomb (talk) 06:35, 11 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]


cristian325 reply

I humbly receive it :). Sorry for the beginning. I've always wanted to do a Wikipedia article, so I started with something I liked. I'm just a church member. This was my first one so I had no idea about the rules. That was my fault for not reading on how to write a Wikipedia article. I got a little lazy. Thanks for all your feedback. I was able to learn a lot from it. Thanks for all your help!! :)

Page move that co-opts Guillermo Maldonado disambiguation page[edit]

Hi Cristian 325, I'm confused how you managed to co-opt what was previously a Guillermo Maldonado disambiguation page. Was this the result of a discussion? And if so, where is that discussion? Thanks, Cyphoidbomb (talk) 02:54, 1 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

There was no discussion and needed to be undid for other reasons as well. Page moves have to be done in a way that preserves the page history per WP:Moving a page#Moves where the target name has an existing page. tahc chat 15:07, 1 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
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