User talk:Cbl62/Archive

re: Ralph Young

You are welcome! ;-) --Aarktica 22:05, 8 July 2007 (UTC)

Sleepy Bill Burns

My guess is that he accidentally nixed the full text. The edit summary referred to the unecessary reference and not the rest of the text. To be honest, I don't think that editor was the problem. Long levi 08:43, 9 July 2007 (UTC)

• Long levi Banned. FYI, Longlevi has just been found to be a sockpuppet of a banned user named Tecmobowl, who has used socks in the past. Accordingly, he has also been banned indefinitely. See [1]--Epeefleche 00:34, 13 July 2007 (UTC)
  • Also, Long levi's comment above answers one question I had, which was why he added back part of something he had deleted when he was Tecmobowl. Basically, he messed up. (In more ways than one, obviously.) I'm going to put the whole thing back to before Tecmo/Levi reverted it originally. Baseball Bugs 10:12, 13 July 2007 (UTC)
  • I put it back to the point where you had added the quote box, and I fine-tuned it a little bit (Tecmo/Levi did make a couple of useful changes). The quote box wants you to supply a source for the quote. I'll let you research that. Baseball Bugs 10:23, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

DYK

On 23 August, 2007, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Carl Zamloch, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

--Peta 03:20, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

1935 Tigers Article

Hi there. I have been expanding several articles for the Blue Jays seasons and I started creating articles for the Braves and Expos seasons and I just wanted to say that your 1935 Tigers article is superlative. This is a very well done article. It is nicely detailed and well researched. You have definitely given me some creative inspiration. Maple Leaf 17:21, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

See also/season templates

Instead of adding things like 1968 Detroit Tigers season in the "see also" section (which should ideally be absent/empty), might it be preferable to include the link in templates such as Template:1968 Detroit Tigers? It's certainly a more natural place for users to seek that material, and I don't think we want player articles cluttered with numerous season articles in the 'see also' section. MisfitToys 23:27, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

The Animals articles

Good job creating articles on The Animals' albums and songs. Please be careful about the requirements of music-related articles: album titles go in italics, song titles go in double quotes, songs don't get wikilinked unless there's actually an article for them, album and song articles always have at least two categories (for year and group), and article title disambiguation, when necessary, uses "The Animals" and not just "Animals". If you look at some of the changes I've made to the articles you created, you'll see what I mean. And kudos again for creating these, they have long been missing and it's good to have them here. Wasted Time R 22:51, 14 October 2007 (UTC)

Michigan Wolverines Football

Good work with {{Michigan Wolverines Football}}. I added Mike Kenn. Have you looked at http://mgoblue.com/football/article.aspx?id=40076 for additional players.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:LOTD) 18:47, 21 November 2007 (UTC)

I apologize, lets meet on the template talk page. I have some thoughts. I also sent you to the wrong page before. See http://mgoblue.com/football/page.aspx?id=28898 --TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:LOTD) 17:43, 23 November 2007 (UTC)

Keep up the good work on the template. I would like your feedback on its discussion page though.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:LOTD) 18:07, 24 November 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for the reply. I actually think adding redlinks on a template like this would be helpful so that everyone who is a fan can create articles. I have personally created both Mercury Hayes and Ricky Powers (as well as Rob Pelinka) but have no credits notable enough for the template. However, I have several WP:GAC candidates in the pipeline that I have taken from stub status. I endorse adding redlinks for notable figures needing articles personally.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:LOTD) 18:14, 24 November 2007 (UTC)

Michigan Wolverines

Good job on the template and the page for important seasons but you are incorrectly wikilinking some people. For exaple, for the 1902 team it links to James Lawrence the american naval hero, not football player. Make sure to check the links. Happy editing. michfan2123 (talk) 18:35, 24 November 2007 (UTC)

Michigan Football player articles

You seem to have access to some serious Michigan Football resources that I don't have. We could rack up a bunch of WP:DYKs and WP:GA working together. You may want to check out the {{cite web}} and {{cite book}} templates. I am going to start cleaning up the articles you just sent me. I would appreciate it if you could add any info you may have access to on Greg Skrepenak, Tyrone Wheatley, Jon Vaughn, Al Wistert, Albert Wistert, Whitey Wistert, Mercury Hayes, and Ricky Powers. Several of these are up for consideration at WP:GAC right now. Skrepenak is especially high in the queue. If you add info try to use the templates above like the rest of the references in the article so I don't get dinged for being sloppy with the refs. I am having great difficulty finding info on Whitey Wistert's Michigan Baseball performance that won him the Big Ten MVP. Any help here would be great toward a future GA nomination.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:LOTD) 19:22, 24 November 2007 (UTC)

You are doing quite well at cleaning up the template. I suspect most redlinks are for articles that should not exist. I.e., someone like Jarrett Irons would fail at WP:AFD because major college sports stars must play professionally within one year of graduating to pass unless they do something else to make them notable like a Rob Pelinka did. Even Chris Hutchinson (American football) would fail at WP:AFD. His article classifies as Michigan WP:CRUFT at the international wikipedia level. I would probably remove him from the template. In fact, anyone in the Other Important Figures section who did not play professionally or at least sign a pro contract and got cut should be removed from the template regardless of how storied they are as wikipedians.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:LOTD) 06:00, 25 November 2007 (UTC)

I have cleaned up Dennis Franklin and nominated him at WP:DYK. I am working on the other names you have mentioned. Let me know who you create and I will try to clean them up so we can get some WP:DYK and WP:GA credits. We have to post at DYK within 5 days of the first edit or fivefold expansion so you have to get them to me pretty quickly.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:LOTD) 19:53, 25 November 2007 (UTC)

Since it seems you are going to be doing a lot of these players, please add the birth year category, the position category and the NFL team player categories if you can. Look at Dennis Franklin and see the formatting for {{DEFAULTSORT}}.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:LOTD) 22:20, 25 November 2007 (UTC)

Keep up the good work. I have Bob Timberlake and Gordon Bell (football) up at WP:DYK now too. The cleaner your work the faster I can finish the cleanup. Some of these guys are interesting. I am enjoying this.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:LOTD) 00:42, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

I was thinking about the All-American section of the template. I think we should somehow signify who was a 1, 2 or 3 time winner and who was unanimous , consensus or regular. What do you think?--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:LOTD) 05:41, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

I'll post my idea on the talk page.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:LOTD) 15:40, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

Julius Franks

I put a lot of tags on the Julius Franks article. I hope you will be able to say what came from where within the next few days because I am going to nominate this for the WP:DYK feature of the main page. It needs to be cleaned up by the 5th day which is the 1st of December to make the main page.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:LOTD) 00:11, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

Chris Hutchinson

Based on my experience at WP:AFD Hutchinson is a borderline case. I have watched Duke basketball players get AFDed. Irons is O.K. There is more to him than being an All-American that non Michiganders would care about. I don't know how loose things are going to get, but I had a McDonald's All-American headed for Georgetown AFDed. I am just saying be careful. I suppose with our template all UM All-Americans may be kept by association with each other. I am just not so confident about Hutchinson. I am not going to nominate him for DYK because I don't want to call attention to his article. I am not certain it would survive.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:LOTD) 01:45, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

DYK

On 27 November, 2007, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Bob Timberlake, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

--WjBscribe 09:54, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

Dan Dworsky

Dan Dworsky has WP:FA potential. I would love to work with you toward this end. Is it possible that you could convert some of your references to {{cite news}}, and {{cite book}} format? I don't know if you have ever pursued FA, but they get picky about minute details like which of the three types of WP:DASHes you use. You would certainly have to cite your work properly. I am going to try to do Don Dufek, Glen Steele and John Vitale tomorrow. Then, I will get to Dworsky as time permits. I have a lot of work to do for another project on Thursday and Friday though. You may want to look at T:TDYK. I did not nominate Hutchinson. His text is just short of the required 1500 characters. If you want you can beef up his article and nominate it. We have until the end of the 29th (UTC) to make such a nomination. You may want to check out all the other nominations we have in the pipeline there.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:LOTD) 01:44, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

Keep up the good work on Dan Dworsky. One of the biggest improvements you could make would be to beef up his WP:LEAD. Since he has a lot of images one should be moved to the upper right as the main image with an appropriate WP:CAPTION. I am going to start working on the articles I said I was going to clean up. I tagged all of Julius Franks like you said. I want to find an obituary for Dick Rifenburg. His birth date would be nice. I think he will be our first joint WP:GAC.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:LOTD) 18:14, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

I think we have responded to the GA on hold request. If you also feel we have done everything you can notify the reviewer we are ready for his reconsideration.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTD) 18:28, 15 January 2008 (UTC)

It looks like you have checked over what I have done. I will contact the reviewer.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTD) 00:39, 16 January 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for leading the way on this one:

This user helped promote Dan Dworsky to good article status.

--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTD) 14:45, 16 January 2008 (UTC)

DYK

On 27 November, 2007, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Dennis Franklin, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

Your name was inadvertently left off of the next update that I grabbed to update the main page. I apologize for the error and award you the notification now. -- Royalbroil 02:23, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

Winged Football Helmet

How should we incorporate the Winged Football Helmet into the template?--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:LOTD) 20:49, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

DYK

On 28 November, 2007, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Jim Pace, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

Got your notification right this time! It is unlikely that there will be enough time to use all of the articles that you created in that single day. You may want to go to the suggestions page and request an order if you have a preference. --Royalbroil 22:26, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

DYK (Gordon Bell)

On 29 November, 2007, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Gordon Bell (football), which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

--Spebi 08:42, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

Regarding Bell. Most succinctly Bell was a professional running back who had his greatest success in college. Nonetheless, it is fairly standard to lead with the fact that he was a professional running back. Even Ricky Powers who had a far less notable NFL career and made GA (and has a easily documented current career) is written with the Professional running back info first. In almost all cases, it is more important to be a professional running back than a college star. I think the exceptions would be practice squad and lesser league professionals. Making the grade in the NFL for three years is a bigger deal than being a star in college in this sense. Many a college star (even bigger than Bell) failed in the NFL. Even the worst General is higher ranking than the best Lieutenant in this respect.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTD) 20:09, 12 January 2008 (UTC)

Rifenburg

I am leaving some queries on Talk:Dick Rifenburg that we should check out.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:LOTD) 15:47, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

Football

I mentioned I will be working on another project today and tomorrow. I don't know if I will have any time for football. I have some ideas on reformatting the template. I mentioned adding mulitple years and consensus and unanimous. I will also add decades this weekend if I get a chance.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:LOTD) 16:33, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

DYK

On 29 November, 2007, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Bill Yearby , which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

--Carabinieri (talk) 22:03, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

The addition of well-sourced accusations and charges is encyclopedic. Follow WP:BLP and you will be fine. You may want to note on the talk page that any information on the outcome would be appreciated.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTD) 15:46, 19 January 2008 (UTC)

DYK

On 29 November, 2007, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Don Dufek, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

Cheers, Daniel 23:20, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

Revised template

I listed players once for each year they were All-American. The source is at the top of the code for the article. --TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:LOTD) 02:52, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

Dick Rifenburg GAC

I have nominated Dick Rifenburg at WP:GAC.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:LOTD) 20:11, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

Hey it got passed immediately. You might want to add the following somewhere:

This user helped promote Dick Rifenburg to good article status.

I also nominated Bob Timberlake, Dennis Franklin, Gordon Bell (football) and Don Dufek.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:LOTD) 20:33, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

DYK - Ron Payne

On 30 November, 2007, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Rod Payne, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

--Royalbroil 21:32, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

DYK

On 1 December, 2007, Did you know? was updated with facts from the articles Jarrett Irons, and George Lilja, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

--Carabinieri 11:32, 1 December 2007 (UTC)

DYK

On 1 December, 2007, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Dean Dingman, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

--Zzyzx11 (Talk) 20:32, 1 December 2007 (UTC)

U of M

I have been enjoying tagging along with your great work. Jack Clancy has been fun. I am considering creating a WP:FLC Lists of Michigan Wolverines football receiving records with game, season and career receptions and yardage leaders.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:LOTD) 20:55, 1 December 2007 (UTC)

Jim Mandich

Do you have any stories on Jim Mandich. It seems like he would be a good article to beef up.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:LOTD) 22:44, 1 December 2007 (UTC)

DYK

On 2 December, 2007, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Julius Franks, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

--Royalbroil 02:32, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

DYK

On 2 December, 2007, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Dick Rifenburg, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

--≈Tulkolahten≈^≈talk≈ 13:44, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

New articles

I created articles for Michigan Wolverines football players Chris Howard (American football), Chris Floyd (American football), and Paul Staroba. I have also created an article for Jarrett Irons' cousin Paul Irons. Fell free to come by and edit them. I hope to beef the Michigan guys up enough for DYK (1500 character min).--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:LOTD) 18:38, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

Now Howard is coming along. Thanks.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:LOTD) 21:01, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

DYK

On 2 December, 2007, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Dan Dworsky, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

--≈Tulkolahten≈^≈talk≈ 20:21, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

On 3 December, 2007, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Elmer Gedeon, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

--Royalbroil 14:21, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

Old articles

Did you check to see if you have anything to add to any of the Wistert brothers or Greg Skrepenak? —Preceding unsigned comment added by TonyTheTiger (talk • contribs) 18:49, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

An article which you started, or significantly expanded, Jim Detwiler, was selected for DYK!

On December 3, 2007, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Jim Detwiler, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

Thanks for your contributions! Nishkid64 (talk) 20:41, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

Muransky

Do you have any information on the Raiders playoff roster. It looks like he was not on the 49-man roster:

--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTD) 23:33, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

I have put in a request for the source with the template creator. I do not recall how playoff rosters from that era were assembled or whether 49 was even the full number. It's 53 now isn't it. I can not recall if weekly roster changes were allowed for the playoffs. He might have played in some games and not in others. It is difficult to tell with an OL.

As for 1934. That is what I am looking for. I could not find anything about Whitey Wisterts baseball career at UofM and he was Big Ten MVP. He must have some good stuff. With enough stuff we might be able to push him for WP:GA.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTD) 00:36, 4 December 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for the help with this one

This user has helped promote Whitey Wistert good articles on Wikipedia.

--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTD) 15:35, 19 January 2008 (UTC)

Hoey

I am having trouble with Hoey. Was the record 206 in a game or 103 for a return?--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTD) 01:00, 4 December 2007 (UTC)

Also, does his club record still stand with Vai Sikahema having gone to the Pro Bowl?--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTD) 01:03, 4 December 2007 (UTC)

More record curiosity: http://www.nfl.com/history/randf/records/indiv/kickreturns —Preceding unsigned comment added by TonyTheTiger (talk • contribs) 01:09, 4 December 2007 (UTC)

The cards also had Roy Green who had a 106 yard Kickoff return.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTD) 01:12, 4 December 2007 (UTC)

DYK

On 4 December, 2007, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Jack Clancy, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

--Royalbroil 03:38, 4 December 2007 (UTC)

Lists of Michigan Wolverines football receiving records

I am making some progress with Lists of Michigan Wolverines football receiving records. I will probably do a passing in a few weeks. The only significant redlink I saw was Eric Kattus. If you have anything for him that would be great.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTD) 10:29, 4 December 2007 (UTC)

Hammerstein

We need a better hook for Hammerstein. He is getting overlooked at DYK. If you have anything to add to the article or a better hook we need to add an (alt hook)?--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTD) 15:49, 4 December 2007 (UTC)

Kolesar

Is there anything that would make John Kolesar notable enough to withstand an AFD recall this: http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=940DE1D6153CF933A15752C1A96E948260

I see he was all Big Ten and had more starts than Chris Calloway both his junior and senior year. I don't think either of those things makes him wiki notable. —Preceding unsigned comment added by TonyTheTiger (talk • contribs) 15:51, 4 December 2007 (UTC)

Wistert

Great stuff on Wistert. We are probably still short on a GA because we don't have enough to explain why he was Big 10 baseball MVP. What is the Michiganensian? Does it deserve a {{cite book}} ref or is it a mag?--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTD) 16:16, 4 December 2007 (UTC)

Now we have WP:GAC content, IMO. I'll look at it more closely tomorrow and then probably nominate it.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTD) 07:18, 5 December 2007 (UTC)

Consensus source

BTW,

The template does not describe consensus and unanimous after Steve Hutcinson because the source is a little old. Do you have another source?--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTD) 18:19, 4 December 2007 (UTC)

I got it myself if you hadn't noticed.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTD) 15:11, 7 December 2007 (UTC)

Appreciation

		The Half Barnstar
		I am thoroughly enjoying working together with you to clean up the Michigan Wolverines football articles. TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTD) 18:28, 4 December 2007 (UTC)

I don't know what you think about the appropriateness of this barnstar, but it can be found at WP:WPPA.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTD) 17:08, 8 December 2007 (UTC)

Calvin O'Neal

I don't see a DYK hook.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTD) 21:13, 4 December 2007 (UTC)

DYK

On 5 December, 2007, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Ed Muransky, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

Adam Cuerden ^talk 05:43, 5 December 2007 (UTC)

DYK

On 5 December, 2007, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article George Hoey, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

--Woody (talk) 14:34, 5 December 2007 (UTC)

Disputed fair use rationale for Image:Lolich.jpg

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Taylor

We had the wrong Taylor listed on the Template. There is a mistake at Bentley. Billy was not A-A.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTD) 21:36, 5 December 2007 (UTC)

DYK error

I have put your hook to the next update template. I corrected it. The article says that when Ford was asked if the election loss was a regret, he said it was (too). So both are his two greatest regrets, not just the the football position. Chergles (talk) 21:49, 5 December 2007 (UTC)

DYK

On 6 December, 2007, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Chuck Bernard, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

—Wknight94 (talk) 03:27, 6 December 2007 (UTC)

Garland Rivers

I started the Garland Rivers article. If you have anything to add feel free.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTD) 19:00, 6 December 2007 (UTC)

I was wondering why you skipped Rivers. Nice job on Jamie Morris. I am going to clean up Gene Derricotte and Ted Petoskey and nominate them at DYK. I have created Steve Morrison.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTD) 15:24, 7 December 2007 (UTC)

DYK (yes, again!)

On 7 December, 2007, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Tom Slade, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

—Fvasconcellos (t·c) 18:03, 7 December 2007 (UTC)

DYK

On 8 December, 2007, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Gene Derricotte, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

--Carabinieri (talk) 12:43, 8 December 2007 (UTC)

Morris

Grasshopper,

The Jamie Morris article looks really good. You might want to lengthen the WP:LEAD. Also, I am not sure you are allowed to use logo's in bio articles. Nontheless, you might want to try to take it to WP:GAC yourself and get familiar with the process.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTD) 17:04, 8 December 2007 (UTC)

DYK

On 8 December, 2007, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Chris Howard (American football), which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

--Carabinieri (talk) 19:17, 8 December 2007 (UTC)

DYK

On 9 December, 2007, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Ted Petoskey, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

--Zzyzx11 (Talk) 02:00, 9 December 2007 (UTC)

Elmer Gedeon

Hi, the above GA nominee is on hold, please respond to concerns on the talk page within seven days or the article will fail. Due to concerns I have with the article, when you believe the current problems to be fixed, notify me and I will reassess it then and either pass, fail or extend the hold based on results. Regards --Jackyd101 (talk) 04:26, 9 December 2007 (UTC)

Template

I am thinking of eliminating the other important figures section. I think we have fleshed out every type of individual who could reasonably contest being added for being in a class of important individuals. I think the remaining persons are personal favorites more than important persons. The only possible category I might add would be Michigan Hall of Honor. However, I think we should leave the template generic so that other schools from other conferences as well as our own can copy it in a way that helps the project move forward without needless battles. I like guys like Dennis Franklin, Jon Vaughn and Jamie Morris. However, from the international Wikipedian perspective, they are not cleanly distinguished from others not included on the template. Why not add Julius Franks, Elmer Gedeon and endless others if we don't just say we have got all important categories of Michigan players included. Any thoughts?--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTD) 21:22, 9 December 2007 (UTC)

I think the best way to look at the template is to view it as a general template that we are using for Michigan. What should every football program (in BCS conference) do? I think it might be unfair to Western Michigan Broncos football for whom being drafted at all or ever having played in the NFL might be worth keeping them on the template to hold them to a BCS standard. However, I think most BCS schools would be able to summarize the important wikilinks for their program by copying our format. We have the second most AAs so even though we seem over loaded it is not too much of a problem as a general policy. I think the best way to shorten the section might be to eliminate the "^" and use italics or underlining to represent consensus and unanimous. I think many of the players who we want to say are important are important due to their recent good will production due to recent athletic production. Even though Chad Henne and Ryan Mallett are important to Michigan football, they have not really earned their place on the template. There will be several 2007 All Big Ten awardees and I don't think either will be first team. However, I will not contest this section due to your explanation of a need for a catch all section, which catches them too. I guess we are doing O.K. I left something at Talk:Gerald Ford about whether they want our big template or just the retired numbers one.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTD) 21:53, 9 December 2007 (UTC)

You make a good reasoned point about the length of the template being the result of the inordinate number of AAs, Pro Bowlers, etc, who have come out of the U-M program as opposed to other programs. As for specific people in the OIF category, I think Henne is just like Morris and Breaston. Though he never made All-American and may never be a Pro-Bowler, he is the holder of a number of very significant all-time U-M records, including the all-time career record for passing yards. I included Mallett mostly because of his central importance to the current program, but he also holds the U-M record for the longest pass from scrimmage in school history with a 97 yard pass to Manningham in the Nov. 2007 Wisconsin game). Cbl62 (talk) 22:01, 9 December 2007 (UTC)

Adam Stenavich

I missed that. If he is not in the NFL we should clearly remove him. I will check and see what I find.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTD) 07:25, 10 December 2007 (UTC)

Tyler Ecker

I am going to remove Tyler Ecker as well.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTD) 07:32, 10 December 2007 (UTC)

Jamie Morris

What about Jamie Morris? Did you want to go for a DYK and GA on your own or should I give it a once over too?--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTD) 15:45, 10 December 2007 (UTC)

You have done a really good job on Jamie Morris. You should nominate him at DYK. There is not much left for me to do. You may still want to beef up his WP:LEAD before going to WP:GAC though.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTD) 20:33, 10 December 2007 (UTC)

Elmer Gedeon

I have finished the Gedeon GAC. I have also put some notes on the Template talk page about Brandon Williams.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTD) 02:28, 11 December 2007 (UTC)

you may want to get a trophy case ready. Here is another one:

This user helped promote Elmer Gedeon to good article status.

--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTD) 16:13, 12 December 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for the kind words on Gedeon. It is really you who found all the information I rearranged and the reveiwer who directed all the rearranging that deserve the credit. Let me know your thoughts on the latest changes to the template.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTD) 17:17, 12 December 2007 (UTC)

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Woolfolk

Butch Woolfolk looks good. You should use better sources for Big Ten annual champions (see Tyrone Wheatley).--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTD) 05:48, 11 December 2007 (UTC)

Did Woolfolk earn All-Big Ten Track honors? The source I used for Wheatley only goes back to 1984.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTD) 18:13, 6 January 2008 (UTC)

Logo

I have posted Dick Rifenburg at WP:FAC. We need to add a WP:FURG for the WBEN logo that you added. Do you know the source of the image?--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTD) 19:22, 11 December 2007 (UTC)

You might want to visit WP:FAC and support Dick Rifenburg as co-author.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTD) 22:15, 11 December 2007 (UTC)

DYK

On 12 December, 2007, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Jamie Morris, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

--EncycloPetey (talk) 04:17, 12 December 2007 (UTC)

DYK!

On 12 December, 2007, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Butch Woolfolk, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

- Mailer Diablo 19:09, 12 December 2007 (UTC)

Top 5 tables

You should create these tables on separate pages and transclude them. For example, if Mike Hart gains any yards you would have to go five places to change the yardage. If you create it in one place and transclude it you will only have to change it in one place.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTD) 19:43, 12 December 2007 (UTC)

At User:TonyTheTiger#WP:CHICAGO I transclude a table that shows up in a few different places. Basically, create a page. Then put it in brackets wherever you want it to appear.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTD) 21:26, 12 December 2007 (UTC)

Template thoughts

You may want to chime in at Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_College_football#BCS_Football_Schools_template.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTD) 07:31, 13 December 2007 (UTC)

The problem with not having specific criteria for why someone is important is that everyone wants to start adding their favorites. I have experienced this trying to police five tool player. An effort to have a WP:RS say who belongs on the list is to say which things RSs could classify a person as to make them important. This adds a little length and causes repetition, but will keep every guy who has ever been a popular player from feeling like he should be added.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTD) 17:37, 13 December 2007 (UTC)

DYK

On 14 December, 2007, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Robert Wahl, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

--Cirt (talk) 05:18, 14 December 2007 (UTC)

Articles

Are you a professional researcher or something. You have found some astoundingly interesting things that could not be found by a normal person.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTD) 16:25, 14 December 2007 (UTC)

Wow! I am not willing to pay to find stuff for WP. You will be ahead of the field with such a service.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTD) 16:47, 14 December 2007 (UTC)

Well Done

		The 25 DYK Medal
		Congratulations! Here's a medal for you in appreciation of your hardwork in creating, expanding and nominating 25+ articles for DYK. Keep up the good work, Cbl62! ... I understand there are quite a few notable American footballers who still need an article! --Victuallers (talk) 17:43, 14 December 2007 (UTC)

Did you know that one other DYK contributor was so keen to get a medal that he stubbed his toe? Victuallers (talk) 17:43, 14 December 2007 (UTC)

Tony Boles

With your new service can you find the 2006 Ann Arbor news article on Tony Boles referenced here?--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTD) 17:16, 15 December 2007 (UTC)

Feel free to drop it in accordingly.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTD) 21:24, 15 December 2007 (UTC)

Also, I have created Ralph Clayton (American football), Craig Dunaway, Tony Boles, Lawrence Ricks, and Russell Davis (running back) and I am about to create Harlan Huckleby. Any tidbits would be welcome.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTD) 21:27, 15 December 2007 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Featured list candidates/Lists of Michigan Wolverines football receiving leaders

Would you consider supporting Wikipedia:Featured list candidates/Lists of Michigan Wolverines football receiving leaders.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTD) 15:49, 16 December 2007 (UTC)

Template Underlining

I reverted to template underlining. Thus, when you click on a page, the names in bold in the template are more readily legible. —Preceding unsigned comment added by TonyTheTiger (talk • contribs) 16:02, 16 December 2007 (UTC)

It is perfectly legible in either firefox or MSIE. What kind of browser are you viewing in? Also, do you think you might suppport either the current Mich WP:FLC or WP:FAC?--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTD) 17:25, 16 December 2007 (UTC)

Can you look into whether there is any form of underlining that is viewable on your machine. If underlining does not work we still should not bold the dates. Just leave them unbolded. Check on underlining formatting compatible with your screen.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTD) 17:45, 16 December 2007 (UTC)

How is the new underlining format.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTD) 22:28, 16 December 2007 (UTC)

Mich articles

You are now researching guys where my googling and 1981-present NYTimes database will not do much good. You are also now a highly skilled page producer so I won't be doing much to your pages. I will be creating more lists. I will probably do rushing today. I am thinking about a defense (tackles, sack, int) one, but i am not sure about its redlink preponderance. I have to reformat the passing one to be like the receiving one and then create articles for all redlinks with NFL experience.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTD) 19:04, 16 December 2007 (UTC)

Matt Gutierrez & Justin Fargas

Should Matt Gutierrez and Justin Fargas be on our template?--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTD) 21:48, 16 December 2007 (UTC)

Just asking. You are probably correct.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTD) 00:38, 17 December 2007 (UTC)

Career Rushing records

I am trying to get a better eel for the 1949-present database. Do you know if there is a Dick Rifenburg of rushing. Did Jim Pace ever hold the career rusingh yards record or was there a pre 1949 guy who had a higher total. Did Carl Ward or Ron Johnson ever hold the career record. Whose record did Billy Taylor break? I am thinking of slapping some text on my rsuhing leaders lists and putting it at WP:FLC, but I need to get a better understanding of the rushing history.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTD) 07:13, 17 December 2007 (UTC)

List of National Football League Kickoff Returner (Touchdown Percentage)

I have created List of National Football League Kickoff Returner (Touchdown Percentage) for the Jon Vaughn page. However, once I transclude it all the [[Devin Hester fans will keep it current for me.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTD) 18:04, 17 December 2007 (UTC)

WP:FLC

You supported Lists of Michigan Wolverines football receiving leaders, which passed yesterday. Today, I nominated Lists of Michigan Wolverines football rushing leaders and Lists of Michigan Wolverines football passing leaders. Please consider supporting them as well.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTD) 17:59, 18 December 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for the info. Can you support the lists?--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTD) 21:35, 18 December 2007 (UTC)

Herbie Redmond

See my talk page for a response. Altairisfar^talk 03:48, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

An article which you started, or significantly expanded, Merv Pregulman, was selected for DYK!

On December 19, 2007, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Merv Pregulman, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

Thanks for your contributions! Nishkid64 (talk) 06:06, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

DYK

On 19 December, 2007, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Frank Steketee, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

--Royalbroil 14:28, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

DYK nomination of Jack Blott

Hi. I've nominated Jack Blott, an article you worked on, for consideration to appear on the Main Page as part of Wikipedia:Did you know. You can see the hook for the article at Template talk:Did you know#Articles created.2Fexpanded on December 17, where you can improve it if you see fit. Black Falcon ^(Talk) 23:33, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

Would it be possible for you to add an inline citation to the paragraph stating that Blott played only two games with the Cincinnati Reds (third paragraph in Jack Blott#Professional baseball)? I'm sure that fact is noted in one of the 44 sources used in the article, but I don't have access to them. It's not an issue of verifiability so much as satisfying the requirements for WP:DYK. Thanks, Black Falcon ^(Talk) 23:44, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

Great! Thank you, and excellent work with the article, by the way. I'll take a look at the Germany Schulz article now and will comment here shortly. Cheers, Black Falcon ^(Talk) 00:04, 20 December 2007 (UTC)

Wow! Just ... wow! I'm amazed at the fact that you've written three high-quality articles in less than four days. Incidentally, have you considered nominating Germany Schulz for good article status (possibly even featured article status after a peer review) – it should be a shoo-in?

Anyway, there are quite a few possibilities for hooks in that article, such as:

• ...that German American football center Adolph F. "Germany" Schulz (pictured) was one of the initial inductees into the College Football Hall of Fame upon its creation in 1951?
• ...that German American football center Adolph F. "Germany" Schulz (pictured) died ten days after being inducted into the College Football Hall of Fame?
• ...that German American football center Adolph F. "Germany" Schulz (pictured) is credited for developing the "roving center" technique, which became the basis for the linebacker position?

What do you think? By the way, my knowledge of American football is rather limited, so I'm not certain whether the wording of the third hook is technically accurate: did the "roving center" technique become the basis for the linebacker position, or would it be more accurate to say that it reflected the essence of the linebacker position? Or are both incorrect? :/

The James B. Craig article also deserves a nomination, and I'll read that next; I don't think there'll be a problem with having too many articles for Michigan football players in light of the fact that the articles were created on different days. WP:DYK only recommends that DYK should not contain more than 1-2 articles on the same topic at the same time; it says nothing about featuring multiple articles related to one topic in succession. – Black Falcon ^(Talk) 00:52, 20 December 2007 (UTC)

I've nominated the three hooks from Germany Schulz (see Template talk:Did you know#Articles created/expanded on December 19) and am tweaking a hook for James B. Craig. You can nominate an article for good or featured article status at Wikipedia:Good article nominations and Wikipedia:Featured article candidates, respectively. In both cases, the listing process itself is fairly straightforward (the same is true of Wikipedia:Peer review). My impression of the two processes is that: the WP:GA review process focuses mostly on the quality of content and sourcing; the WP:FA review process is more intensive and a lot of attention is given to minor issues of formatting and word choice. – Black Falcon ^(Talk) 03:29, 20 December 2007 (UTC)

I've nominated a hook from James B. Craig; see Template talk:Did you know#Articles created/expanded on December 16. I had come up with three hooks, but only one was less than 200 characters in length, so... Cheers, Black Falcon ^(Talk) 04:17, 20 December 2007 (UTC)

Lists

Support at WP:FLC.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTD) 06:08, 20 December 2007 (UTC)

		The Running Man Barnstar
		For your extensive record of quality contributions of articles about sports events and athletes in Michigan, with 300+ articles created, including ones like Germany Schulz‎, Jack Blott, Miller Pontius, and Frank Steketee. Thanks for your excellent work. – Black Falcon (Talk) 07:06, 20 December 2007 (UTC)

Maybe you need a more detailed link: Wikipedia:Featured list candidates/Lists of Michigan Wolverines football passing leaders, Wikipedia:Featured list candidates/Lists of Michigan Wolverines football rushing leaders —Preceding unsigned comment added by TonyTheTiger (talk • contribs) 06:19, 22 December 2007 (UTC)

DYK

On 22 December, 2007, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article James B. Craig, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

Cheers, Daniel 11:29, 22 December 2007 (UTC)

On 23 December, 2007, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Jack Blott, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

--Royalbroil 14:04, 23 December 2007 (UTC)

Bowl Game DYK

I have had 5 or 6 Michigan DYKs on the main page at gametime this season. Main editting should start tomorrow to get a gametime DYK. I was thinking about expanding Keith Bostic (football player). Let me know if you would like to join in or do someone else.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTD) 22:54, 26 December 2007 (UTC)

DYK: Germany Schulz

On 26 December, 2007, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Germany Schulz, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

Cheers, Daniel 12:03, 26 December 2007 (UTC)

This was mistakenly posted on my talk page. Cheers, Black Falcon ^(Talk) 20:53, 27 December 2007 (UTC)

This guy needs to go to WP:GAC and possibly WP:FAC. You should nominate him.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTD) 17:01, 28 December 2007 (UTC)

Keith Bostic (football player)

I have put together something on Keith Bostic. I am going to shoot for the main page at game time. Nice work on Bump Elliott.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTD) 01:08, 28 December 2007 (UTC)

How do you feel about Bostic being credited with 2 Pro Bowls when he lost the tiebreaker for the second?--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTD) 02:34, 28 December 2007 (UTC)

I guess my question is should we change the template to 1 Pro Bowl. I think we should. I am not sure whether either Bostic is above low importance to any wikiproject or on an international wikipedia level. I think that a dab should be at Keith Bostic.

On another issues we are going to need date of birth and place of birth for as many of the rticles we have created as possible to have decent WP:GAC chances. That was a major objection at Gene Derricotte, Dennis Franklin, Jarrett Irons, Julius Franks, Jim Detwiler and will be so for all the guys who did not play professional football. Do you have any sources?--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTD) 16:41, 28 December 2007 (UTC)

I changed the template because I don't feel we should set the precedent that people who almost get invited to the Pro Bowl can count it as an invite for an article we want to be featured on the main page.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTD) 16:56, 28 December 2007 (UTC)

DYK for John Maulbetsch

On 28 December, 2007, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article John Maulbetsch, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

--Royalbroil 23:35, 28 December 2007 (UTC)

Continuing work

You are continuing to make some great pages.

1. You should start trying to promote some of our best work like Bob Chappuis and Germany Schulz
2. On the talk pages you should be adding {{WPBiography}}, {{NFLproject}}, {{WikiProject College football}}, & {{WikiProject Michigan}} where applicable. I add Michigan whenever someone was raised in Michigan before playing for the Wolverines or coached in Michigan afterwards.
3. You may want to begin using {{NFL PlayerCoach}} for players who become coaches. I had converted Ted Petoskey some time ago and converted Jack Blott today. Germany Schulz, John Maulbetsch, Gustave Ferbert, Bump Elliott and James B. Craig could all use such a conversion. There are probably others too.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTD) 03:14, 29 December 2007 (UTC)

DYK on Ohio Sta- I mean Michigan

On 29 December, 2007, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Gustave Ferbert, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

--Wizardman 18:42, 29 December 2007 (UTC)

Marquise Walker

I have beefed up Marquise Walker. Some of my sources are kind of week. If you have access to the Baltimore Sun, it would be great if you could get the true Ozzie Newsome quote and anything else you might be able to add about him being remembered for his one-handed grabs.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTD) 01:28, 30 December 2007 (UTC)

My New NCAA Chart

Many thanks for reviewing the table. I always appreciate input on my work. Ah, 1947...I cringe thinking about how many Blue fans I will have to face about that year. First, I would like to assure you that I personally consider Michigan to have been the best football team in the nation in 1947, and I'm sure a vast majority of experts would agree with me (it wouldn't surprise me if half of the 119 writers that voted Notre Dame #1 in the special poll were strict adherents to the pre-bowls format, and the other half was just plain dumb — although I might be in agreement to the tiniest degree with the former, as, in those days, the bowl game was not so much a season climax as a nice trip to California, with a football game thrown in). I wish to God I could bold the Mad Magicians — nine other Michigan teams won consensus national championships, and yet the 1947 squad, the team robbed of the title by famous Notre Dame, was the best of the bunch. I smiled when you mentioned Bump. In fact, I have a great deal of sympathy for your situation. The 1958 Hawkeyes won their consensus title from the FWAA, who voted after Iowa smashed Cal 38-12 in the Rose Bowl. So, be prepared, as I will sound like a massive hypocrite defending the decision to exclude Michigan's '47 team from consensus status, a decision which I can find no way out of and yet am tortured by every day. Sorry for the melodrama.

The sources of the consensus national championships are the official NCAA record book and the list of champions on NCAAsports.com, the official site for NCAA sports. Like you, I am very appreciative of the inclusion of the NCF as a consensus selector through 1935 (which knocks on four more titles for Michigan). The period from 1950 to the present is also very sound, save the inclusion of the NFF as a consensus selector. It's the period from 1936 to 1949 that gets me. A number of deserving teams were named national champion by selectors other than the AP, with the 1947 Wolverines leading the pack. (no pun intended — wolverines travel in packs, right?) Both the record book and the NCAAsports.com list have Notre Dame as the one and only AP champion of '47. I read all of the information about the special poll of 1947 in 1947 Michigan Wolverines football team. It goes without saying that it is difficult to prove what was and wasn't official sixty years ago, and, in this situation, I'm afraid that it might take more than a few local newspapers to overthrow the NCAA. Most of what I've heard claims that DFP editor Lyall Smith put together the poll, and all of what I've heard claims that the poll was unofficial. Basically, what it comes down to is finding a way to prove that the special poll was official, if such an achievement is possible. If you can do it I would be behind you 100%, and I'll provide any help you may need along the way. As I've said, I would love to be able to list Michigan as a consensus national champion in 1947, but, until I have enough to go on, the decision has been made by myself and others to rely only on the official information. Good luck on your quest! (Again, sorry for the melodrama.) Iowa13 (talk) 06:01, 30 December 2007 (UTC)

I don't want to come across as holding a bias towards Notre Dame — in fact, I am a considerably outspoken opponent of Notre Dame's status as king of the college game. One national championship in the last thirty years should hardly earn one the title of king. But you must understand that departing from the method used for designating consensus champions for one year out of 137 will look even more biased, especially since, as hard as it may be to swallow, the popular bias towards Michigan is nearly as bad as the one towards Notre Dame. There are other years besides 1947 in which the consensus method leaves out a deserving or includes an undeserving, but strict consistency should be favored over picking and choosing. A deserving Michigan team left out will almost always generate more controversy than another deserving left out. Obviously, none of that would matter if the AP really did name two official #1's in '47. I would very much like to see the PDF's of the AP articles. My email is iowa13@gmail.com. Iowa13 (talk) 19:27, 30 December 2007 (UTC)

DYK

On 30 December, 2007, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article William Cunningham (American football), which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

--Gatoclass (talk) 13:21, 30 December 2007 (UTC)

Gene Derricotte

With all your recent work on the 1947 Michigan Wolverines football team I was wondering if you found anything to beef up the Gene Derricotte article.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTD) 13:45, 30 December 2007 (UTC)

As always, thanks for the help. I am unsure about one thing you might find in your article treasure chest. I know at the end of 1948 he held the Michigan career interceptions record. However, his best single season was his sophomore year and he may have set it in 1947 or even possibly 46 depending on how many he had in 1944 and 1947. Change the infobox if you can find out he set it before his senior season. I eagerly await your efforts on this article.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTD) 18:49, 30 December 2007 (UTC)

Auto peer review

I have posted automated peer reviews at Talk:Germany Schulz and Talk:John Maulbetsch. I will get to your other three articles this week. You should try to clean them up. If the problem is caused by a direct quotation say so.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTD) 23:54, 30 December 2007 (UTC)

As hard as you work, these changes aren't too much for you to handle. The queue is almost a moth for articles. Basically, the Auto peer review just says what rules you are violating. Many of these will be because the direct quote violates a rule. For example, a direct quote might use a contraction. Just put a note on the talk page that the article has a direct quote that is causing the problem. See Talk:Keith Bostic (football player).--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTD) 01:15, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

I have done a lot of Germany Schulz's auto peer review corrections. I am not going to go through the article and look for links to add anymore. You can also add the {{persondata}} pretty easily. I suspect most of the remaining issues are problems with the style used in direct quotations. You should take a stab at John Maulbetsch--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTD) 03:51, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

I have added the auto peer reviews to the other three pages. I began working on Bump Elliott.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTD) 06:24, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

I am mostly just doing what the auto peer review says.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTD) 07:30, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

Paul G. Goebel

Paul G. Goebel is like Billy Taylor (American football). Only Bentley lists him as an All-American. Was he first team?--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTD) 06:37, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

Do you read it as meaning first team?--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTD) 06:49, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

http://www.chicagobears.com/tradition/alltimeroster.asp#g

http://www.nfl.com/players/paulgoebel/profile?id=GOE474616

Keith Bostic

By the way, I have seen information that Bostic has been an NFL coach (I assume assistant). With your resources, it would be great if you can find any info.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTD) 06:37, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

Images

Can we copy the Bentley images for players before 1923? Are these published in a yearbook or Michigansian or something.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTD) 07:12, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

I assumed Germany Schulz' was a yearbook photo or something.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTD) 07:18, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

DYK article

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Keep up the good work. Gimmetrow 13:02, 1 January 2008 (UTC)

4th A-A controversy

Rick Volk has become my fourth A-A controvesy (following Bubba Paris, Billy Taylor, and Paul Goebel). What do you know?--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTD) 17:07, 1 January 2008 (UTC)

I am thinking that there are probably numerous All-American lists that are not recognized towards determining consensus and the other unrecognized lists. I guess we should tread carefully.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTD) 18:03, 1 January 2008 (UTC)

As with Billy Taylor, Bubba Paris, Paul Goebel, etc., I thought we had agreed to go by the neutral arbiters of All-American history (http://www.ncaa.org/library/records/football/footballs_finest/2002/154-174.pdf, ESPN Encyclopedia of College Football, ESPN Encyclopedia of Big Ten Football.) Lets take this to the template talk page.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTD) 14:40, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

ESPN and www.ncaa.org both use the recognized lists. They should match. I would have to go thumb the Encyclopedia again. However, Volk seems to be a type 4.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTD) 18:50, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

I agree Volk desrves equal treatement with all other type 4 A-As. I would add him with the other dozen or so you named with an according asterisk. Clearly he was not type 1, 2 or 3. He is a type 4 and all type 4s deserve equal treatment.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTD) 01:34, 6 January 2008 (UTC)

Images

The Gene Derricotte and Bob Chappuis images would not pass at WP:FAC because both men are living and a main image should not be a fair use copyrighted image. We may get away with them at WP:GAC.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTD) 18:05, 1 January 2008 (UTC)

Sample A-A page

I would cite as a source such as the ESPN Encyclopedia of College Football, which clearly enumerates for each season which All-American lists are recognized for unanimous and consensus (50%) designations. I would also make sure the All-American page clearly explains what consensus and unanimous are with a sourced ref if possible. Then you could also note that in any year there are several other lists not officially recognized toward consensus/unanimous designation to account for the likes of the controversies I pointed out on your talk page earlier. The ESPN format is pretty good. They use a table where in one column is the players name and in each of the other columns is a particular list with appropriate checks. I think that would be a better layout for this type of page.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTD) 07:35, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

I don't know. I usually thumb it at Borders when I need a fact.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTD) 07:43, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

I see you are hard at work on the 1925 list. You should take some of these to WP:FLC and get some broader feedback and possibly recognition.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTD) 19:59, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

DYK

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--Carabinieri (talk) 20:53, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

1931 college football all-america

excellent job on article, keep it up! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.0.36.36 (talk) 01:25, 4 January 2008 (UTC)

Ed Frutig

I have serveral problems with the Ed Frutig article. I just changed the DOB in the template, but as you say it is still controversial. More importantly, look at th DI football for blocked punts (http://www.ncaa.org/library/records/football/football_records_book/2007/2007_d1_football_records_book.pdf at pg 52).--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTD) 18:13, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

As stated above see pge 52 (or 53 counting the cover). See the template talk. I state what my issue is.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTD) 18:21, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

Yes as the notes in the section say these are official NCAA records only since 1937. Doesn't that include Frutig's career?--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTD) 18:28, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

Right above Blocked punts section title is an explanation for all blocked kicks (punt, FGs and PATs).--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTD) 18:51, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

NPOV would say report all sides that are clearly WP:ATT. One side would be that he was a monster punt blocker who recorded five in one season. The other is that according to official NCAA records he could not have record more than 2 or 3 in any one season. Take a look at what I did with Gene Derricotte on a similar issue when the NCAA, Big Ten and Michigan record books geve three different sides of the story on his big year. I would like to leave the door open that Marquise Walker at least has a share of the Michigan career record with four.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTD) 01:32, 6 January 2008 (UTC)

P.S. I made an WP:NPOV addendum.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTD) 18:51, 12 January 2008 (UTC)

Re: Houtteman and Trucks

For Trucks, so long as the rationale is good and you explain why a free use image would be very difficult to obtain (in the future it may be marked as replaceable by someone), then it should be fine. As for Art, you can help if you want, I don't have any problem with it. Wizardman 20:54, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

T:DYK.

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Congratulations! · AndonicO ^Hail! 12:25, 6 January 2008 (UTC)

Resource help

I got a GA on hold at Talk:Tyrone Wheatley. There are a couple of reviewer concerns that might be aided by your resources:

• "Some describe him as the greatest football player in Michigan High School history." If you're going to same "some", include more than one source.

• I could just reword, but if there are multiple sources that would be interesting.

• "In college, Wheatley also ran track. He was the 1994 Big Ten 110 metre hurdles champion and was selected first team All-Big Ten.[28]" Single and two-sentence paragraphs either need to be expanded or incorporated into another paragraph. I'm sure there is some more information about this that can be added.

• Do you have access to any more details on why he was All-Big Ten?--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTD) 14:16, 6 January 2008 (UTC)

With respect to the latter of the above, since he was a high school state champion in four events and a big ten champion in only one, it is interesting to figure out if he ran more than one of the four events in college and if his All-Big Ten award was merely for hurdling or for a combination of events. Can you help with this?--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTD) 12:01, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

Bill Daley DYK

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--Wizardman 04:28, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

Bill Daley is probably a good WP:GAC candidate and we should take another look at Gene Derricotte.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTD) 22:03, 16 January 2008 (UTC)

UofM Track record book

I found the UofM track record book, which helps beef up both Butch Woolfolk and Tyrone Wheatley. I am unable to tell for sure whether Woolfolk continued to run track in 1981 and 1982, but am claiming team championships for him at this time.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTD) 01:41, 9 January 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for the try with the newly found record book, we are not so far off. I am just going to have to work to figure out which years Woolfolk was All-Big Ten in track.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTD) 16:16, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

DYK: Maynard Morrison (American football)

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--PFHLai (talk) 03:00, 9 January 2008 (UTC)

DYK

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--Wizardman 20:14, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

Anton Zamloch

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--GeeJo ^(t)⁄_(c) • 10:55, 11 January 2008 (UTC)

And a very nice article it is, too. 69.74.234.178 (talk) 14:47, 11 January 2008 (UTC)

Detroit Tigers nicknames

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Mercury Hayes/Jon Vaughn on hold

You may want to take a quick look at Talk:Mercury Hayes. I have tried to respond to a GA on hold, but may have fallen short because it has not been promoted and is on the sixth day of a seven day hold. If you have anything that you can add to improve the article it would be helpful. I am also worried about Jon Vaughn because I could not address all the concerns in the GA on hold review.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTD) 18:37, 12 January 2008 (UTC)

RE:Merv Pregulman

Ahhhhh... sorry bout that! I have been assessing all the Green Bay Packers articles for WikiProject Green Bay Packers and after assessing like 600 I figure one mistake is doing good, lol! I must have pasted in the wrong assessment once, and then copied them for the rest of the WikiProjects. I reassessed it to B-class which I think is a fair assessment. Thanks for catching my mistake and good luck editing!
Gonzo fan2007 ^{talk ♦ contribs} 21:44, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

NP, I will always fix my stupid mistakes :P I gave the article a quick read and it is really well done. Are you thinking of putting it up for GA-class? I think it is pretty close to being up to that status. Good work!
Gonzo fan2007 ^{talk ♦ contribs} 22:14, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

GA review of Gordon Bell (American football)

I've reviewed the article and left notes on the talk page. I've put the nomination on hold for seven days to allow the (very small) issues to be addressed. Great work again! Ealdgyth | Talk 14:42, 16 January 2008 (UTC)

I have been on the phone and using email with the Ottawa Public Library and am having trouble documenting Bell's CFL career. What sources do you have?--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTD) 17:38, 16 January 2008 (UTC)

Changes look good, it's passed and processed! Congrats! Ealdgyth | Talk 21:26, 16 January 2008 (UTC)

Your leadership on this one was great:

This user helped promote Gordon Bell (American football) to good article status.

--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTD) 21:34, 16 January 2008 (UTC)

An article which you started, or significantly expanded, Stanfield Wells, was selected for DYK!

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Thanks for your contributions! Nishkid64 (talk) 16:34, 16 January 2008 (UTC)

DYK

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On 17 January, 2008, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Gogebic Range, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

I love seeing the Yooper article on DYK! --Royalbroil 04:58, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

Good Work

Your most recent work (Ralph Heikkinen, Gogebic Range, and Stanfield Wells) are up to your usual standards. You may want to be more aggressive in finding images for the articles other than the main subject. The most important difference in my current WP:FAC (Prairie Avenue) in its seemingly successful second attempt and its first attempt is the added images. You have many GA shoe-ins that might be FAs with some related images and minor tweaks. You should keep nominating things for GA.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTD) 17:14, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

GA review of Don Dufek

I've reviewed the article and left notes on the talk page. I've put the nomination on hold for seven days to allow the (very small) issues to be addressed. Great work again! Feel free to contact me on my talk page, here, or on the article talk page with any concerns, and let me know one of those places when the issues have been addressed. Ealdgyth | Talk 15:48, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

You did not checkmark the talk page. I can not tell what you have done and what needs to be done.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTD) 17:38, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

I am not sure how you handled footnote 23 (formerly footnote 20).--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTD) 19:20, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

No worries about the him/her thing. I grew up watching football, and love the sport. Currently upset that the season is almost over, dang it! Ealdgyth | Talk 20:09, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

I think we are ready for reconsideration. Let her know if you are ready. This will be my 50th GA!!!! Depending on how things go, I may get two 50ths. If Prairie Avenue gets promoted before any GACs, I go back to 49 GAs.

I gotta ask, how many Wolverine Football players do ya'll have in waiting? Ealdgyth | Talk 22:09, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

DYK

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--BorgQueen (talk) 11:53, 19 January 2008 (UTC)

GA review of Jack Clancy

As per usual, the notes are on the talk page. Questions, concerns, etc. can be addressed to my talk page, or the article talk page. Ealdgyth | Talk 18:16, 19 January 2008 (UTC) Oh, and you might want to consider archiving your talk page.. it's getting a bit big. Ealdgyth | Talk 18:16, 19 January 2008 (UTC)

Please check mark the talk page using {{Y}}--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTD) 19:07, 19 January 2008 (UTC)

And if you'd rather someone else reviewed all of these articles, just let me know. I know I'm picky, and I could understand if you'd rather they weren't picked to pieces or if you'd rather have someone else do some of the reviews. I'm just trying to take care of the backlog of nominations, and working through the oldest nominations first. Ealdgyth | Talk 22:14, 19 January 2008 (UTC)

Something is wrong with the games started stats for the 1970 Packers (http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/gnb/1970.htm). I think he may have been the starter looking at this page, but did not based on what I just added to the article. What do you think?--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTD) 22:37, 19 January 2008 (UTC)

We have him born in one place in IA, a native of another, a resident of WI and high schooler in MI. Can we coordinate all this in the article. Was his father in the military?--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTD) 22:55, 19 January 2008 (UTC)

I am signing off for the night. See you tomorrow.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTD) 22:56, 19 January 2008 (UTC)