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Hello. This message is being sent to inform you that there is currently a discussion at [[1]] regarding an issue with which you may have been involved.Alex79818 (talk) 23:53, 8 August 2011 (UTC)


File:Departamentos colombia.svg

Would you happen to have available a blank (i.e. uncolored) version of that svg map? --Phil5329 (talk) 03:21, 15 September 2009 (UTC)

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Falkland Islands Article in Arbitration

Having briefly reviewed the article's discussion history, I've identified you as a potentially aggrieved editor whose contributions may have been negatively impacted by the actions of a group of editors who are alleged to be POV-pushing and engaging in WP:GAMES. I invite you to peruse the arbcom request and voice your opinion and experiences, at your leisure. The link is:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case#WP:NPOV_and_WP:GAMES_in_.22Falkland_Islands.22_and_related_articles

Thank you.Alex79818 (talk) 22:25, 31 May 2011 (UTC)


Thank u

Hi, i´m glad you liked the Colombia in Popular Culture article. I would like to know your opinion about the article Colombian Declaration of Independence. I think it´s kind of weak and could be improved thank you. xoxo.

Earth flag and coat of arms

Please don't spam your self-made flag and coat of arms all over Wikipedia. Such flags and coats of arms without any widespread use or recognition should not be used on any Wikipedia pages except userpages. Fram (talk) 07:52, 13 November 2009 (UTC)

I too have some concerns about your apparent mass-spamming. What is this coat of arms? Is it your original design? If so please see WP:OR. If not, please see WP:V and verify that it is in common usage. thanks --Merbabu (talk) 09:06, 13 November 2009 (UTC)

November 2009

Welcome to Wikipedia. Everyone is welcome to contribute to the encyclopedia, but when you add content (particularly if you change facts and figures) , as you have to the article Flag of the Earth, please cite a reliable source for the content you're adding or changing. This helps maintain our policy of verifiability. Take a look at Wikipedia:Citing sources for information about how to cite sources and the welcome page to learn more about contributing to this encyclopedia. Thank you. Merbabu (talk) 09:30, 13 November 2009 (UTC)

I too have a question about the flags you seem to be putting on all the talk pages for countries. Where did they come from? Are they your own work? If so, I doubt there will be widespread use for any of them. If you could provide a source for them, it may give them some more credibility. Thanks, Onopearls (t/c) 15:48, 13 November 2009 (UTC)

Self-made images

Please don't add self-made images to articles, unless they are unambiguous representations of (aspects of) the article. Apart from the flags / coat of arms discussed above, an image like you added to Energy being is pure speculation and original research on your part. The "relative size" and the form of an "energy being" is by definition unknown (or wildly varying from story to story), so any image of them is pure fantasy, and not what we want on Wikipedia. Fram (talk) 15:46, 24 November 2009 (UTC)

Your reply on my user talk page is not convincing. The article does not give a description of what these beings look like (how could it), and your personal interpretation of it adds nothing to the article but a piece of original research. Something like a mermaid or a centaur has a defined image (with variations of course); energy beings don't. Youyr idea of what they might look like is not a valid encyclopedic image. Fram (talk) 07:28, 25 November 2009 (UTC)

Tiger Woods

You mean this? [2]Cadenas2008 (talk) 09:28, 18 December 2009 (UTC)

List

Hey Fram, it is obvious that there is support from the community to leave those images. Let it go already. It has been 30 days since you added the RfC. Stop reverting my edits please. Out of all the editors involved in the discussion the majority supported the inclusion . Happy new year.--Camilo Sanchez (talk) 16:37, 5 January 2010 (UTC)

First of all, majority vs. minority is irrelevant, it is not a votecount but a discussion. Second, as an involved editor, you should not be the one to decide the consensus (niether should I), nor to act upon your self-declared consensus. Third, please follow WP:BRD: when you are reverted, don't redo your edit, but discuss things. Finally, if you do want a votecount, I see Fram, JohnBlackburne, Ash, Plvekamp, ScienceApologist and 2over0 opposing; and Camilo Sanchez, Abyssal, Martin Hogbin, Wikigratia, Aladdin Sane, The Good Locust, and Labongo supporting. That's 6 opposing and 7 supporting, which is when going by votecount a clear "no consensus", not a "support". Fram (talk) 16:47, 5 January 2010 (UTC)

Discussion at WP:ANI

I invited some outside help at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents#RfC problems at Talk:List of alleged alien beings. You are welcome to comment there as well. Fram (talk) 13:51, 7 January 2010 (UTC)

Hi there. You recently proposed this article for deletion as non-notable; however, it has previously been discussed at Articles for Deletion, back in 2005 (see these links), which makes it ineligible for deletion via WP:PROD. (Yes, even though it was deleted both times.) However, I agree with you that the subject is still not notable, and have re-nominated it for deletion; your comments are welcome at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Church of Reality (2nd nomination). Robofish (talk) 01:27, 24 January 2010 (UTC)

Colombia semi-protection?

What are you talking about at Talk:Colombia#Semi protection? Brian Jason Drake 07:23, 28 January 2010 (UTC)

Be polite

I do not appreciate. "We gotta thank God you don't even have a username dude." —Preceding unsigned comment added by 93.96.148.42 (talk) 04:35, 13 February 2010 (UTC)

Deletion review

I have closed Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/2010 Haiti earthquake conspiracy theories (2nd nomination), as it is apparent that you believe that the close was incorrect on the first AfD and that there was consensus to delete. The correct way to challenge a close is not to open another AfD, but to seek a deletion review. Please do so. Fences&Windows 01:39, 14 February 2010 (UTC)

I urge you to reconsider your position. The article on The Protocols of the Elders of Zion is not an article of antisemitic lies, but an article about antisemitic lies. Bigotry thrives on confusion and doublespeak, and an article about a bigoted idea shows how ridiculous it is by presenting it clearly. I believe that this article is similar. Ciao, Jalapenos do exist (talk) 22:07, 14 February 2010 (UTC)

En pro de seguir mejorando el artículo del Escudo de Colombia en español, quisiera saber si no te molestaría que modificara esta imagen por una que estoy fabricando y que pienso subir a finales de mes. Se que antes no te pedí permiso para modificarla, pero porque eran cambios muy pequeños; en cambio esta vez será casi que una imagen nueva. Hago esto con el fin de no llenar commons de miles de imagenes con diferentes versiones del escudo. Gracias. Shadowxfox (talk) 19:37, 8 March 2010 (UTC)

Roy Ashburn

This tag was highly inappropriate for a biography of a living person. Not only is it often irrelevant to report somebody's "coming out" as a banner for an article, such a term is a colloquialism that is best avoided in the article space. In future, when a person or subject garners press attention after an incident, please use {{current event}}, and not custom-made templates. Thank you. PeterSymonds (talk) 21:59, 9 March 2010 (UTC)

Ricky Martin

Please re-read the warning given by PeterSymonds above. Your addition of the same tag to the Ricky Martin article today is completely inappropriate. Do not add these types of custom tags to articles. GlassCobra 21:43, 29 March 2010 (UTC)

Colombia Collaboration Invitation

WikiProject Colombia
You have been invited to participate in Collaboration of the Month to improve and standardize the List of Presidents of Colombia in hopes of raising it to featured list status.

mijotoba (talk) 23:50, 12 March 2010 (UTC)

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File:Network neutrality symbol english.svg

Ive made some changes. Please take a look: commons:File:Network neutrality symbol english.svg. -Agentglory (talk) 01:24, 7 April 2010 (UTC)

Colombian football templates

Greetings,

I understand what you were trying to do. But, the way things are currently done is to keep those templates separate.Digirami (talk) 05:46, 12 April 2010 (UTC)

And the logos were deleted from the template because of possible copyright concerns. Digirami (talk) 05:47, 12 April 2010 (UTC)
PS, what you were trying to do is not a bad idea, but some details need to be worked out. I'll take care of it for you. Digirami (talk) 23:37, 12 April 2010 (UTC)

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Escudos militares de Colombia

Hola Camilo!

pues los escudos militares que estoy colocando en los artículos corresponden a las versiones heráldicas o sea que tienen los colores correctos sin degradados ni brillos, ademas concuerdan con las descripciones oficiales. Los escudos militares fueron creados teniendo en cuenta la heráldica, sus descripciones manejan el lenguaje técnico y la precisión de dicha ciencia. Te pongo un ejemplo con el escudo de la fuerza aérea, la descripción oficial dice en resumidas cuentas que: es un escudo azul, con un rectángulo amarillo en la parte superior, en el cual irán dos alas de color negro; detrás del escudo estará un águila de color rojo, con la cabeza mirando a la derecha del escudo, el pico abierto mostrando la lengua, con las alas abiertas, la cola esparcida y las dos patas saliendo de los lados inferiores del escudo, por debajo de las alas, que también salen de los lados. El pico, la lengua y las uñas de las garras, irán de color blanco. Las garras sostendrán una cinta ondulada de color amarillo, la cual tendrá un texto en letras mayúsculas y de color púrpura. Además, los escudos que he realizado están basados en los que salen en un libro publicado por los militares, claro que le hago algunas mejoras estéticas.

Sin embargo, y a pesar de que la descripción es muy precisa, el escudo usado por la fuerza aérea en su pagina tampoco cumple con lo indicado. Aunque no es de extrañar, pues en Colombia es muy común ver escudos que no concuerdan con las descripciones, o son mal interpretados, es tanto así que ya varias alcaldías al copiado los escudos que hemos hecho para la Wikipedia. Si el tema de los escudos te interesa mira los wikiproyectos de heráldica tanto de la wiki-inglesa como de la hispana. Saludos SajoR 20:25, 20 July 2010 (UTC)

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Please have a look at this

I hope this will allow us to focus on more important issues. Vyx (talk) 19:47, 29 September 2010 (UTC)

chile miners edit

there is a current tag for an ongoing event, when its said and done it will obviously be changed. And its done now, the huge focus of the article will go down and then the editors who are left will change it precidely for the reason you say.Lihaas (talk) 02:59, 14 October 2010 (UTC)

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Ted Williams article

If you haven't seen it already, the Ted Williams article was a speedy keep. Ryan White Jr. (talk) 03:41, 7 January 2011 (UTC)


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As an FYI, there is a move discussion currently taking place relating to Tablet personal computer at Talk:Tablet_personal_computer#Requested_move. --Labattblueboy (talk) 18:56, 11 January 2011 (UTC)


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Protests page move.

Hi, probably not a great idea to move pages in the middle of an intense discussion. Please check in at the talk page first. Ocaasi (talk) 22:53, 15 February 2011 (UTC)

Hi, a couple things:
  • 1) Please do not cut-and-paste articles from one title to another. This is an improper way to move articles, and violates Wikipedia's licensing requirements.
  • 2) Any controversial move, especially on an article as visible as this, must be discussed and agreed on beforehand. Let me stress that I don't necessarily disagree with your move, but you cannot singlehandly change the title. I would strongly suggest opening a requested move discussion.
Thanks for your understanding. Dabomb87 (talk) 23:06, 15 February 2011 (UTC)
Hi, can you clarify which title you want restored? (2010–2011 Arab world protests or 2010–2011 Middle East and North Africa protests) Thanks, Dabomb87 (talk) 23:58, 15 February 2011 (UTC)
Not sure who you were asking, but the latter is preferred over the former, but the current name is ok as well. Ocaasi (talk) 00:47, 16 February 2011 (UTC)

Reply vcard

the vcard is not needed as we use bottom template - Template:Middle East and North Africa protests.

You need to open a talk (new) section there b4 you add it, don't revert it back as you fit right, I will reply there aswell.
  – HonorTheKing (talk) 01:57, 21 February 2011 (UTC)

Nomination of Daniel Hernandez Jr. for deletion

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Southwest Airlines Flight 812

Hello friend, I guess you're a newbie, so you want to use the WN-812 article as a test case to see the AFD take its course ... no problem with me. Though I don't a point in pushing for an AFD when the outcome can be predicted without discourse, there is no reason for you to go against common sense because you have free will. Anyways, cheers and good to meet you! --Inetpuppy (talk) 07:10, 5 April 2011 (UTC)

I have been editing in Wikipedia since 2005. Hardly a newbie. My suggestion to delete the article was based on me reading the guidelines of WP:AIRCRASH where I felt the article didn't meet most of the criteria. I have a real life and absolutely no need to test anything. I did what I thought it felt right at the moment. Also. If you are calling me a newbie because my AfD wasn't posted correctly the reason is I have things to do in real life and I didn't realize I wasn't logged in. --Camilo Sanchez (talk) 14:30, 5 April 2011 (UTC)
Hi Camilo. In answer to your question, Wikipedia would look like this if we covered every little incident. I've commented at the AfD that editors should stick to the issue, and not comment on who holds what opinion. I'm glad that the AfD is being re-run, as that way a proper consensus can be gained. Mjroots (talk) 11:47, 5 April 2011 (UTC)
Camilo, thanks for closing the AfD. It takes guts to admit one's opinion is contrary to consensus, even if held in good faith. Mjroots (talk) 20:07, 5 April 2011 (UTC)

Camilo, I'm replying here not about the AFD as such, which is obviously over, but about a remark in the media which you included in your comment on the AFD: "In my opinion, the damage was not serious and experts have downplayed the damage with statements such as -Friday's accident gives no cause for concern about the structural integrity of airplanes in their early years of service, say some air safety experts.- as sourced from Christian Monitor website here." I read that article, and it sounds like you misinterpreted what the CSM was trying to say there. (I found the way they phrased their statement to be potentially confusing.) That remark was about relatively new aircraft with few flight miles; in other words, "Just because this 737 had a fuselage rupture doesn't mean flyers should worry about every 737--new ones should be fine." The point was that the 737 in this Southwest incident, like many of Southwest's 737s, is rather old and has been in service for many years, which is why it was potentially at risk for an event like this. --Colin Douglas Howell (talk) 17:35, 6 April 2011 (UTC)

United Airlines Flight 497

United Airlines Flight 497 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Inetpuppy (talkcontribs) 03:13, 7 April 2011 (UTC)

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RE: On the WP Question

Hi. Whilst appreciating that your native language may not be English, it ought to be drawn to your attention that 'Unfortunately this guidelines have also become the escape goat [...]' should read 'Unfortunately these guidelines have also become the scapegoat [...]'. In fact, I'm not sure that scapegoat is the best word to use: excuse would probably do. --Trevj (talk) 11:00, 5 May 2011 (UTC)

FFMM Military Ranks

Hola, Camilo. (Gonna keep it in english as this is the en:wiki) .. Ok, I see your comments on the FFMM ranks page, but so we can coordinate better without adding clutter on that page yet, I have created a sandbox page on my User.. feel free to drop by User:Iceman0108/Sandbox/sandbox5. That way we can discuss easier and then come back to the page with the final edits. I realize part of this discussion may relate to 'personal taste', but we should be able to agree on something that benefits everybody. Now, a few comments on my part:

  • On keeping one big table vs separate tables: I consider separate sections are better, as they allow auto TOC, can be linked/referenced easier, and allow for additional text, references, history, etc to be placed within them. I believe it should be kept separate in the 4 sections, as opposed to a single big table. (And it also makes it easier for edits across the multiple articles and interwikis) - We should keep this.
  • On use of color: I had set that back to standard class='wikitable', as It seemed 'too colorful'. Besides, Manual of Style (WP:COLOR) suggests not to use color as the ony,way to convey information. But perhaps that is too whitewashed, I might agree. On the sandbox5 test page I have made some changes that I believe look better, and help identify the arms without going crazy as a clown. - Let's find a middle ground
  • On the extra lines/insignias: As I said, while I wasn't entirely happy with adding the extra insignias at the time, I did want to keep them so as not to lose additional info, and I had to do it that way in order to be able to reuse the transclusions. But I agree it may get confusing. Reducing the lines means not use transclusion and go back to copy the tables every time. So, what I'd suggest is, keep the 'short' tables in this article, as well as the individual areas of each force, and keep the subpages per arm as 'detail' pages with the additional insignia images. (FAC also has an additional set that wasn't updated quite yet). As much as I hate going back to copypasting the tables 16 times, it seems the only way. - I'll give up this one.

Let me know what u think. Cheers Iceman0108 (talk) 18:40, 19 May 2011 (UTC)

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Hi, Camilo! I was simply doing new page patrol and someone else had tagged it for deletion as non-notable. I should have looked at it more closely. The refs were a bit weak for any biography; perhaps that's why it was tagged. I'll put it back right away. PMDrive1061 (talk) 02:46, 21 May 2011 (UTC)

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