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July 2013

Wikibreak

I need a break from this place, so I'm off for an indefinite Wikibreak - I will soon be logging out ~~and will not be reading this page for the duration~~ but may pop in from time to time, so I ~~will not be able to~~ may or may not respond to any messages. My apologies to those who had asked me for help which was still outstanding, but I will not be able to assist. -- Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 17:11, 4 July 2013 (UTC)

I'm sad to know you will not be around for a while, I find you to be a fair and insightful editor and administrator. Considering the melee currently taking place at AN over a particular block, I understand your frustration and your need to leave for a time. Take care. Hope to see you back soon. -- Winkelvi ● ✉ ✓ 19:13, 4 July 2013 (UTC)

I hope this won't stop you coming to the pub every once in a while. Worm^TT(talk) 09:57, 5 July 2013 (UTC)

And giving me a call when you're next up my way. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 10:01, 5 July 2013 (UTC)

Don't drop the bit per the request at WP:BN. I know it is frustrating, but there has to be a better solution than walking away. Feel free to email me. Dennis Brown | 2¢ | WER 10:11, 5 July 2013 (UTC)
I know some of the feeling of not belonging here, - I created the red cat on my user then, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:23, 5 July 2013 (UTC)
Your frustration has been evident, Boing, and understandable, but I agree with Dennis - we need sensible admins who care about the project. I hope your break isn't too long, and that you will be back soon, ready to fight your corner once more. :) Lukeno94 (tell Luke off here) 10:25, 5 July 2013 (UTC)

I agree. The fact that we have a too many idiotic US-based civility wonks among the admins, for example, is as good a reason as any for a non-US, sensible and forgiving person to retain the bit. We need people who can see the big picture in order to at least try to offset the policy pedants. - Sitush (talk) 10:28, 5 July 2013 (UTC)

There is a distinct possibility that I'm an idiot from the United States, but I'm not a civility wonk. I don't think nationality is the issue. I can name admin on both sides of the issue, on both sides of the pond. Dennis Brown | 2¢ | WER 11:54, 5 July 2013 (UTC)

I'm not from the United States, but I do note the irony of Sitush of all people unpersoning people due to their perceived nationalities. Chris Cunningham (user:thumperward) (talk) 12:12, 5 July 2013 (UTC)

Chris, your name is already on my personal list of admins Wikipedia would be better not having, even though you are not US-based. We've not had much interaction but I've seem you around and I've rarely been impressed with your admin functionality, although your other stuff has seemed good. Doubtless, the feeling is mutual or at least would be if I were an admin.
Dennis, there is a massive cultural issue and the offended/civility-pushing Yanks seem to outnumber the offended/civility-pushing Brits where identities are known, although I accept that there are some Brits who are offended and there are some Yanks who are not. The entire policy is a pile of crap and should be jettisoned: you cannot consistently enforce moral standards across cultural divides. Still, I'm not going to be around as much for a while, so unless my meds send me even more weird it is unlikely to affect me greatly. But, both of you, feel free to block me next time I get frustrated and call a spade a spade. I wouldn't appeal because this place is clearly intended for human interaction idealists, not realists. - Sitush (talk) 20:53, 7 July 2013 (UTC)

Heh. The only time I ever recall interacting with you is when sticking up for you or complimenting you in the eternal caste wars that you help to control. So if I've ended up on your blacklist because of my policy on civility then that's a pity, but it's a one-sided enmity. There are very few people on Wikipedia with whom I agree on everything, and unfortunately a great deal of those who come close are on the wrong side of this particular fence. Boing happens to be another one. If we're ever to resolve this stupid war without one side being annihilated we need clueful participants on both sides. Chris Cunningham (user:thumperward) (talk) 09:56, 8 July 2013 (UTC)

I'm a little saddened to see two people I respect at odds here, and I can't resist a few words. For me it's not just a linear scale with pro- and anti-Civility proponents at each end. To me, it's two-dimensional, with Civility on one axis and Assholiness on the other. There are people who have different positions to me on the Civility scale, but whom I do not consider to be assholes - and I don't mean this to sound like faint praise, Chris, but I don't consider you an asshole (mind you, if I did, I wouldn't tell you, as I'd be sure to be blocked by an asshole ;-). Similarly, there are people with similar views to me on the Civility scale whom I consider to be assholes. What we need is intelligent discussion from non-assholes who are sufficiently intelligent, mature, experienced, and with the interpersonal skills to debate the general issue and individual events in a constructive manner. Instead, we get too many assholes jumping in with their size 15 boots. The result, instead of the world-leading approach to community interaction that this project deserves, is so often more like fights between mob factions. The mob itself can't fix it, ArbCom probably doesn't have the remit to fix it, and WMF doesn't have the balls. -- Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 12:54, 8 July 2013 (UTC)

Agree also as per all the above. You are a very fair and sensible admin Zeb, and have always been extremely helpful to me. Enjoy your break, for however long you take it. Martinevans123 (talk) 10:40, 5 July 2013 (UTC)

Not sure what the final straw was as I've been pretty inactive for a while .. but I do understand the "I don't need this" feeling. If you do stop back to read - know that Ched wishes you well Boing. — Ched : ? 11:32, 5 July 2013 (UTC)
Enjoy your break, have a few beers (or more than a few) and come back refreshed. If you do give up the bit I will still expect you to decline my unblock requests Darkness Shines (talk) 11:38, 5 July 2013 (UTC)
Enjoy your break. We all need them. You have my full support. Get into a sabai sabai mode first. I just posted this to AN: "*I agree with Boing et al that the abuse, bullying, and circle the wagons mentality among admins gets worse and worse. And what does it take to deal with such an admin? Years and years of countless victims and arduous RFCs an Arbcom cases." PumpkinSky talk 11:50, 5 July 2013 (UTC)
I also hope that you enjoy your break. Let me add my thanks for all your efforts in your time as an admin. Best wishes also when you return to editing. Cheers. MarnetteD | Talk 17:50, 5 July 2013 (UTC)
Taking a regular break is healthy! Someone once suggested that all policeforce employees should be required to work in a daycare/kindergarten (or plant-nursery) for a few days each month. The wildly different perspective and pace, is recharging and inspiring. — But do come back soon, you're a much-valued part of the community. –Quiddity (talk) 17:55, 5 July 2013 (UTC)

It's a damned shame you decided to resign the bit over that mess, although I also respect the reason. So: I hope for your return. Yngvadottir (talk) 17:59, 5 July 2013 (UTC)
Good luck. I'm probably not far behind you. This Visual Editor garbage is really too much in addition to the BS admin drama that caused you to leave. This place is really losing its luster. I hope you reconsider though. Kumioko (talk) 18:46, 5 July 2013 (UTC)

So I gather you won't actually read this for a while, but, for posterity, I'll tell you what I just told Drmies: from recent personal experience, a break from the non-stop stupidity will do wonders for your karma. The real world is filled with far fewer power hungry jerks, and a lot more sunshine and kids and alcohol. Enjoy the break. --Floquenbeam (talk) 20:45, 5 July 2013 (UTC)

I'm torn. I want to wish you well, and congratulate you on your principled stand, because I have always admired that about you - and I have seen it from you many times, both in the personal interactions we have had and your interactions with others. But I'm selfish, too, and the inevitable maths leaves us short of one principled, reasonable, and equally importantly common-sensed, personable admin. That's not so good. I'm having my own little "episode" at Commons at the moment, which has exhausted me a little bit, mentally - and I can feel your pain. I grew up drinking in the very pubs referred to above, and I'd love to buy you a pint and rant about it all - but it's a 24,000 mile round trip for me now - so I'll have to settle for offering that horribly termed "raincheck". Whatever you decide - don't be a stranger here. Begoon ^talk 02:30, 6 July 2013 (UTC)

Enjoy your life!

And have a cold one for us suckers. :) ·Salvidrim!· ✉ 12:21, 5 July 2013 (UTC)

A cup of tea for you!

There there, sit down, relax, enjoy a nice cup of tea. I hope you come back refreshed. Take your time, Wikipedia will still be here in a year. We can deal with not having you for a while. It's just that we'd rather not. Martijn Hoekstra (talk) 17:47, 5 July 2013 (UTC)

A cookie for you!

Eat this, come back in a few months refreshed and come back as a sysop

Enjoy real life and have a good summer. WT101 (Chat • Count) 01:34, 6 July 2013 (UTC)

Thanks

Well, I had a quick look here, and I just had to drop back in briefly to thank everyone - I'm really quite moved by your kind words. I'm sure our paths will cross again in the future. -- Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 07:12, 6 July 2013 (UTC)

Just found out today. I don't blame you, most of what goes on here leaves me bemused, but you'll be sorely missed. Good luck with RL and hope to see you back sometime soon!--regentspark (comment) 23:57, 8 July 2013 (UTC)

I just belatedly found out about this, and wanted to stop by and wish you the very best. --Tryptofish (talk) 17:06, 10 July 2013 (UTC)

I hope that whatever you do in real life, Boing!, you do it half as well as the work you have done here, and enjoy it ten times as much. You've been a true asset to the project, and should it survive, I think you'll always be welcomed back. Qwyrxian (talk) 21:42, 10 July 2013 (UTC)

RfC

I noticed you participated in the Deadmau5/Deadmaus RM and I was wondering if you were willing to leave your two cents here at Talk:Tech Nine#Requested move 2 to overturn another horrible move based on a name no reliable sources refer to the subject as. I am just trying to get consensus to move it back to Tech N9ne in the same manner Deadmau5 was moved back. STATic message me! 15:56, 8 July 2013 (UTC)

ping

Since nobody else has informed you, I'm just letting you know that you were mentioned in this thread — Ched : ? 03:25, 15 July 2013 (UTC)

Thanks. -- Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 12:02, 15 July 2013 (UTC)

And FWIW? .. I think the project loses much with you and User:Drmies not being active and administrating here. — Ched : ? 12:33, 15 July 2013 (UTC)

It also loses much by the presence of some people in the admin corps. If they were more accepting of the reality that people are human beings and that the mores of one culture cannot practically be enforced on other cultures then life would be much sweeter. They are attempting a utopian exercise in social engineering and for some reason they appear to think that they will succeed where countless others have failed over the centuries. - Sitush (talk) 12:37, 15 July 2013 (UTC)

Folks, I appreciate the thoughts, but if you don't mind I'd rather not have another discussion of the problems here on this page - I've moved on, and it's for other people and other places now. -- Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 12:41, 15 July 2013 (UTC)

Hello

Hi Boing, I see you are on a break but popping in from time to time. Maybe you will see this. You userfied a page for me, and I have decided not to pursue it. It is here: User:Missyagogo/RewardVille If you would kindly remove me from that project I would appreciate it, and enjoy your break! Missyagogo (talk) 02:13, 18 July 2013 (UTC)

Hi. I'm not an admin these days, so I can't really do anything, sorry. But if you want that userfied page deleted, just put {{Db-u1}} at the top of it and an admin will come along and zap it for you. -- Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 07:51, 20 July 2013 (UTC)

DYK-Good Article Request for Comment

Did you know ... that since you expressed an opinion on the GA/DYK proposal last year, we invite you to contribute to a formal Request for Comment on the matter? Please see the proposal on its subpage here, or on the main DYK talk page. To add the discussion to your watchlist, click this link. Regards, Gilderien Chat|What I've done22:57, 28 July 2013 (UTC)

August 2013

Strangesad

You were involved in a past discussion about this user, so you may be interested in this: WP:ANI#Request swift admin intervention to prevent further disruption to the Jesus article by User Strangesad.--FutureTrillionaire (talk) 00:03, 10 August 2013 (UTC)

Retired

After having had a few weeks to think about it, I've decided to retire from this account. It's possible that I may return to editing sometime in the future, but if I do it will be with a clean start account (one that doesn't have 250 talk page watchers, for one thing ;-) and I'll just go back to my old ways of low-profile gnome work. My time as an admin was fun and I don't regret it, but that is definitely in the past now. -- Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 22:01, 14 August 2013 (UTC)

A very sad loss, Boing! but obviously that's a measured and thoughtful decision. I have always found you one of the fairest and most level-headed of admins. All the very best in whatever you decide to do. Many thanks for all your help. Martinevans123 (talk) 22:29, 14 August 2013 (UTC)

Well, rats. Vaya con Dios, BsZ. Good decision for you, bad decision for us. --Floquenbeam (talk) 22:34, 14 August 2013 (UTC)

Sorry to hear that. I wished I had the willpower to quite. Best I could do was 2 weeks. If you wait about 3 months the checkuser tool wont catch ya.;-) Good luck and happy retirement. Kumioko (talk) 00:07, 15 August 2013 (UTC)
I always enjoyed any interaction with you Boing; and to be honest, I was hoping to get to know you better. I also VERY well understand where you're coming from. That said, I would be honored if you kept in touch - and hopefully you still have my email. I think you are a good editor, and that this account was a GREAT admin. I wish you all the very best; not only with wiki related things, but in real life as well. — Ched : ? 08:32, 15 August 2013 (UTC)
(edit conflict)Because of Boing! I've said Zebedee numerous times; always uplifting my spirits. I can not second guess that you've reached this decision; though it is wholly unanticipated by me. I feel certain however, if I am fortunate enough to interact with you after a clean start, I will simply believe I've met another great colleague; and I will be glad. Mostly; today, I wish the absolute best for the editor I had the good fortune of knowing as Boing! said Zebedee. Sincerely. :) John Cline (talk) 08:46, 15 August 2013 (UTC)

@Boing! said Zebedee: I support all this, can't say it that well.

@John: we will have to do the job of uplifting now. You made a good start, uplifting me, against sterilization ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:56, 15 August 2013 (UTC)

I'll miss Boing! said Zebedee, but I understand that all good things come to an end. Good luck to the Carbon-based life form behind the account, I hope to see him again. Worm^TT(talk) 09:24, 15 August 2013 (UTC)
I'll still be requiring carbon-based liquid nutrition from time to time ;-) -- Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 10:11, 15 August 2013 (UTC)

And I still can't afford the round trip ticket back to my old stamping grounds to buy you one. Do well. Be well. Be happy. Take care, and don't be a stranger. Begoon ^talk 14:35, 15 August 2013 (UTC)

I'm not having a bit of it!!!! Now you listen here! You've been a huge influence on me. I don't like this whole retirement idea at all! There's no need for de-adminnig or retiring. That's rubbish. Just stay out of areas that've put you off. You can simply use the tools while editing quietly and usefully. Just step into the shadows (where I love to dwell.) Do what is just so nice: make species articles and quietly mop up here and there. Being an administrator doesn't mean being a governor. You can just walk from all of those areas. Okay???? Don't make me have to come over there! Your friend, Anna.

(Was that over the top? Please tell me. I was just trying to say how much I like you and value you.) Anna Frodesiak (talk) 11:18, 15 August 2013 (UTC)

Thanks Anna, that's very kind. I'm pretty sure I'll come back and do some of those things you suggest - but I simply don't want any association with adminship any more and I need a clean break from it. -- Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 11:35, 15 August 2013 (UTC)

I understand. Maybe the breaking away shouldn't be about the rights, but about the where and what. The project needs cleaneruppers. So, keep the rights, and just split town. Wikipedia is so big. Maybe move to a cabin in the woods. Look at User:JoJan. He's over there being amazing with no heat. Lovely and worthwhile. Don't chuck the tools. Just move out of the big city and edit quietly. :) Anna Frodesiak (talk) 11:53, 15 August 2013 (UTC)

I understand that too, but adminship (and my Boing! account is irrevocably associated with it) is actually precisely the thing I want to get away from. But keep watching those species articles - you might see me there one day ;-) -- Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 14:13, 15 August 2013 (UTC)

Mother-loving piece of cow cookies. Jumping Jehosaphat. On a pogo stick. Deeeeeeepressing. I can't quit, because I need that paycheck from the Prince. I hope you've got some other source of income lined up.

But in seriousness, blessings to you in whatever your endeavors, either on or off Wikipedia. You've done absolutely excellent work here, and the Wiki is far far better off for you having been a part of it, even if only temporarily. Thank you for your assistance over the years! Qwyrxian (talk) 14:22, 15 August 2013 (UTC)

Should the NW England branch of the non-existent cabal partake of a beer, sometime? I can probably arrange a golden goodbye for you from shh, you know who ... - Sitush (talk) 14:41, 15 August 2013 (UTC)

Well, I'm off the beer circuit for at least a couple of months, but I'm sure I could make it to a Manchester pub some time after that! -- Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 18:51, 15 August 2013 (UTC)

The Ban on Love

Food for your way, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:33, 15 August 2013 (UTC)

Thanks :-) -- Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 06:17, 16 August 2013 (UTC)

Rethink

Well, folks, I wasn't expecting quite the strength of feeling I've seen since my decision to retire this account (I've had some nice off-wiki messages too). I really would like a complete fresh start in a few months time and I can be pretty stubborn when I've made up my mind - but I do also like to listen to people. So I'll put the decision on hold for a while and will go back to Wikibreak status for now. Maybe when I'm ready I will move to a new account but I'll link them so people know who I am. Or maybe I'll keep this one after all. I really don't know right now. (But I'm definitely not going to ask for my admin bit back). -- Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 09:59, 16 August 2013 (UTC)

Good, with or without the bit. - Sitush (talk) 10:03, 16 August 2013 (UTC)

Glad to hear it. You belong, whether you ever make another edit or not, you've more than earned that. - Dank (push to talk) 15:17, 26 August 2013 (UTC)

Precious again

buying of beer and firm stance
Thank you for offering to buy beer to help "passionate Wikipedians" to settle scores in "the best interests of the project", and for standing firmly for consensus against "autocratic rights", for oppose, - repeating: you are an awesome Wikipedian (24 September 2010)!

--Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:25, 20 August 2012 (UTC)

A year ago, you were the 219th recipient of my Pumpkin Sky Prize, , now I have to struggle without you, trying to fight the ban on love. - Repeated in br'erly style. - Missed, - would you like to appear in the sad list? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:29, 20 August 2013 (UTC)

Would rather not, thanks - I'd prefer minimum drama. -- Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 09:34, 24 August 2013 (UTC)

I understand well, too well, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:24, 26 August 2013 (UTC)

September 2013

Trying to create a legit article for Blue waffle

Just letting you know I'm attempting to actually make a legit article for Blue Waffle. I know it's a meme/hoax, but I think an article pointing that out, with references, would be a great help to the world. I saw you have once marked Blue waffles disease article written by someone else as G12: Unambiguous copyright infringement. I'm just letting you know, I took a serious approach to it, describing that it is a HOAX, and not a real disease, I also include multiple about templates to ensure that if someone was duped, they would have access to legitimate STD's, Internet hoax's, and false information. I have ref's and found multimedia and quotes. I'm ducking...I feel like I'm gonna have something thrown at me.... :) GlenberryPlace (talk) 18:55, 11 September 2013 (UTC)

Heading

Hi Boing, My name is Sunil and you helped me out a few months back regarding a block situation I had. And we spoke at that time about GREENCulture and that being removed as well as my name Sunil Wagle being removed from wikipedia. I contacted the person named Mark Arsten who I think was the person who removed my name...I believe he is an Administrator but he said he does not recall deleting me but when I looked at the history I felt that by looking at the history, he was the one who did it. Can you please help me with this and let me know what I should do. Here is the message I sent to Mark Arsten: I see that you deleted my name as a famous Wagle. I would like to ask you why did that. My company Greenculture was the first green e-commerce retailer. We were regularly featured in magazines, and newspapers and did lots of business in the United States and overseas. Here are some online stories of me and the company: http://www.internetretailer.com/mobile/2007/04/19/riverwired-com-launches-as-green-web-portal-for-the-eco-co. Also, see here: http://legacy.utsandiego.com/news/uniontrib/mon/business/news_lz1b1ads.html. Also, see here: http://www.sanantonio.gov/clerk/ethics/HB914CIS/200809/SunilWagleGreenCulture.pdf. Also, see here: http://voices.yahoo.com/top-five-eco-friendly-online-furniture-retailers-839073.html?cat=30. Also, see here:http://www.gaithersburgmd.gov/Documents/environment/rainbarrel_handouts.pdf. If you look here we are listed here: http://www.co.ocean.nj.us/solidwaste/.%5C%5CPDFs%5CBackyardCompostingDemoSite.pdf. Anyway, I feel there is a legitimate reason for me to be listed here and ask that you reinclude my name in the list of wagles. As you can see above, we were in the Internet Retailer top 500 for many years. This company did over $50 million in revenue which seems notable. I think I may not be posting this in the correct area so I apologize in advance if I am posting this in the wrong location. Thanks. — Here is mark arsten's talk page: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Mark_Arsten. Please help me if you can. Thanks so much for any help you can provide. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Swagle (talk • contribs) 23:46, 20 September 2013 (UTC)

Koh Klang

You might want to revisit Koh Klang - currently "This page has been deleted. The deletion and move log for the page are provided below for reference. 09:28, 9 June 2013 Boing! said Zebedee (talk | contribs) deleted page Koh Klang (G6: Deleted to make room for an uncontroversial page move)". It should be a redirect to Ko Klang. 27.55.156.171 (talk) 21:44, 28 September 2013 (UTC)

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