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Crocker date or place of birth, Please Stop
Your edits [1] although well-intentioned to the Chris Crocker article are a blatant violation of Do No Harm policy. Please read up on WP:Bio. The subject of the article has received death threats and has worked to retain a level of anonymity. Your addition of date/place of birth can risk their safety as well as anyone perceived to be them. Benjiboi 12:18, 16 September 2007 (UTC)
Ed Fordham
Hi, ASE! Regarding Ed Fordham, I'm pretty sure someone's blog isn't considered a reliable source. Furthermore, the blog says that he wants to remain closeted. So unless we can find a good source, we should probably remove that reference and the LGBT cat/info. Thanks! -- SatyrTN (talk | contribs) 14:53, 16 September 2007 (UTC)
Actually it says Chris is the one that wants to remain closeted. From the blog: Cllr Chris Maines (photo left) has been selected to fight Lewisham East, and Ed Fordham (photo above) has been selected to fight Hampstead & Kilburn. Both belong to this category of members. Whilst Ed is open about his lifestyle so it's a none issue, it's open news amongst certain blogs that Chris prefers to remain in the closet. Unfortunately, a blog is all I could find. -- ALLSTARECHO 23:19, 16 September 2007 (UTC)
Re:Patricia Soltysik
Who defines SLA as a terrorist organization? It was more of an anarchist organization, if anything. -- ALLSTARECHO 14:13, 17 September 2007 (UTC)
The SLA used such terrorist tactics as assassination (going as far dipping their bullets in cynaide), kidnapping, armed robbery, and murder. Sure their goals may have been noble but their methods were anything but. -- Esemono 14:19, 17 September 2007 (UTC)
That doesn't make them a terrorist organization. Terrorism is defined as "the systematic use of terror especially as a means of coercion". The SLA criminal acts certainly weren't systematic nor were they a means of coercion - moreso a means of survival. -- ALLSTARECHO 14:27, 17 September 2007 (UTC)
Well I think that murdering people who oppose their viewpoints, using tools such as armed robbery, rape, and physical assault is seen as a use of terror as a means of coercion. -- Esemono 23:02, 17 September 2007 (UTC)
Patricia Soltysik not a person?
Now why do you keep removing the bio tag? -- Esemono 14:19, 17 September 2007 (UTC)
Was an accident when removing Terrorism tag. -- ALLSTARECHO 14:28, 17 September 2007 (UTC)
Nice signiture
It reminds me of mine! Yes, this is random, but I just had to say it.. THROUGH FIREJUSTICE IS SERVED! 11:55, 19 September 2007 (UTC)
Nicely done!
Thanks for the two B's you did on our list - nicely done :) -- SatyrTN (talk | contribs) 13:31, 20 September 2007 (UTC)
Sorry it wasn't more. It was already 5AM and I was sleepy! I'll work on that list over time and see if we can't get it wrapped up! A whole lot of names on there, whew! -- ALLSTARECHO 19:26, 20 September 2007 (UTC)
... seems to say she's drawing condemnation from her biggest fans...? (It also seems to be verging on a NPOV violation, with strong unsourced implications of hypocrisy.) --Orange Mike 20:00, 24 September 2007 (UTC)
Not sure how it seems to say she's drawing condemnation from her biggest fans. Cite? I don't feel it violates NPOV as it also states "Still, there are other JFP forum users who agree with Ladd's operation style." I balanced out the real POV that was there before my edit. As you can see, I withdrew the AfD nomination. -- ALLSTARECHO 20:07, 24 September 2007 (UTC)
The part where it says, "Her policy attracts vicious condemnation from JFP forum users who feel she is always right"? --Orange Mike 20:34, 24 September 2007 (UTC)
Hello, I am the editor who created an afd for the above article. I notice that you have closed it, however, discussion for it was just barely getting started. I think you have closed it, rather early. It would be nice to hear from the larger community. I don't feel merging is the answer. These popular culture listing get extremely lengthy, and it is difficult to source each one of them. Please consider opening it again. Fighting for Justice 06:38, 25 September 2007 (UTC)
Umm, no, I didn't close it. I'm not an admin and don't have that power. All I did was vote Merge on it. Further, it's not even closed, it's still open for discussion because I just checked so I'm not sure what is making you think it is closed. When it is closed, the AfD tag will be removed from the article by an admin. -- ALLSTARECHO 10:20, 25 September 2007 (UTC)
Warnings
Please don't revert without leaving the vandal a message. Reverting is not as important as letting the user know he was reverted for vandalizing. — Moeε 14:57, 25 September 2007 (UTC)
Why did you revert Best Revenge edits?
You didn't leave any reason for reverting the additional information and picture that I added to the Best Revenge article this morning. What gives? - Mackaye 9:57 September 25, 2007 (PST)
My apologies. It showed up in a vandalism feed and just looking at it didn't seem to show it wasn't vandalism (myspace.com link and such). Sorry. -- ALLSTARECHO 17:06, 25 September 2007 (UTC)
No worries. I'm glad somebody's watching out for the article. - Mackaye 10:15 September 25, 2007 (PST)
Great work!
The RickK Anti-Vandalism Barnstar
I hereby award you this barnstar for your great work on RC Patrolling this evening! Keep up the great work!!! Tiggerjay 07:07, 26 September 2007 (UTC)
Copyright Violations
Wikipedia takes copyright seriously. Please do not post copyrighted text. Also, please do not remove copyvio tags from articles without fixing the problems as you did here and here. I have removed the text that was a direct copy from these two articles. If you wish to rewrite the content in your own words, you are welcome to do so. If you have any questions, please let me know. Thanks. -- JLaTondre 22:56, 25 September 2007 (UTC)
While I don't feel text about a public educational institution, especially one my tax dollars help pay for, is copyrighted, I made changes. Thanks. -- ALLSTARECHO 02:20, 26 September 2007 (UTC)
Your interpretation is correct. Information from a US public school website written by a school employee is public domain in America. ➪HiDrNick! 02:28, 26 September 2007 (UTC)
You are both incorrect. Only US Federal publications are automatically public domain under US copyright law. The federal exemption does not apply to state or local government works. Certain state governments have chosen to release their materials as public domain, but this is a state by state choice and not all states do so. Local governments are an additional layer of complexity. In this case, it is a local government website and that website has a copyright notice. -- JLaTondre 11:54, 26 September 2007 (UTC)
You are correct! Thanks for the fact-checking, JLaT. --Orange Mike 03:59, 27 September 2007 (UTC)
I'm not incorrect because I said I don't FEEL text about a public educational institution, especially one my tax dollars help pay for, is copyrighted. My personal feelings are never incorrect. ;] -- ALLSTARECHO 04:02, 27 September 2007 (UTC)
Present
I'm pretty sure the copyright for the picture does not let me do this, but here ya go :) -- SatyrTN (talk | contribs) 03:30, 26 September 2007 (UTC)
IMAGE REMOVED BY A DUMB BOT To see the image that was here, go here.
For your wonderful anti-vandal work. It is always a pleasure to see your reports at AIV, as I know the proper warnings have already been issued, and a block is warranted. Much easier on us admins! Jmlk17 09:46, 27 September 2007 (UTC)
There's nothing neutral about citing sections on a page about a made-up conspiracy theory to an incoherent Youtube video about nefarious Jewish plots, either. Why are you reverting pages to include racist gibberish whose only source is an Internet fad? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Randy Blackamoor (talk • contribs) 11:18, 27 September 2007 (UTC)
You referred to them as schizophrenic Youtube fads and further stated note that the use of phrases such as "a small collection of bankers" is a transparently racist codeword for anti-Jewish conspiracy theory. Some people who are too dumb to understand the difference betweeen Youtube and reality think sentences such as "There is an idea that uniting and violating the consititution might also nullify it" actually mean anything in the English language.THAT is NOT neutral point of view but only your opinion, which is not allowed on WP articles. Have a nice day. -- ALLSTARECHO 11:23, 27 September 2007 (UTC)
Ole Miss logo
And thanks, I think that infobox should be implemented on all college athletics articles, I think it looks nice too.--Porsche997SBS 23:30, 27 September 2007 (UTC)
Thanks!
Thanks for the barnstar :) utcursch | talk 13:45, 28 September 2007 (UTC)
I've decided to take a slightly different approach to this article than usual. The edit warring is not that severe and the article needs work. I don't think locking it down is the best approach. Instead I am going to institute a state of 1RR. Anything more than 1 revert by any user will result in a short block. Any type of threat, personal attack, or harassment will also result in a block. I have also blocked User:82.67.185.164 for the legal threat on the talk page. Anything disputed should be discussed on the talk page, but the dispute and a slow edit war should not stop needed improvement. I will copy this comment to user talk pages of those involved in the dispute and the article talk page, so there will be no "I didn't know" excuse for edit warring. Mr.Z-man 19:23, 30 September 2007 (UTC)
Images on the LGB pages
Saw your comment on my page... can you point me to where it was discussed that the images were such a problem that you needed to set their pixel size? Tabercil 15:42, 1 October 2007 (UTC)
Contested prod.
Hi there. I've contested your prod of Newt Rayburn and explained my reason on its talk page - just thought it would be polite to let you know. Best regards --TreeKittens 03:57, 3 October 2007 (UTC)
New LGBT related quote
I couldn't find where to add this but it's a stitch. Btw, have you seen any of yours pop up? I'm only seeing the older ones repeated. Benjiboi 16:47, 4 October 2007 (UTC)
Satirist Stephen Colbert poked fun at the concept of a homosexual agenda in reference to hate crime legislation stating:
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The liberals are once again pushing their homosexual agenda by reminding us there are homosexuals.[1]
”
I haven't seen any of the new ones added actually show up. I think I know why but I want to watch it a bit longer. I added the Colbert quote and made it number one on the list so I could monitor whether or not it shows up. -- ALLSTARECHO 19:47, 4 October 2007 (UTC)
I need some help in re-writing the template at Portal:LGBT/Quotetemp to where it supports more than 10 quotes from Portal:LGBT/Quotes. User:WJBscribe created LGBT/Quotetemp but said he copied it from another Portal. He said the template only supports up to 10 quotes. I haven't a clue how to do this. Any help would be greatly appreciated. -- ALLSTARECHO 07:47, 5 October 2007 (UTC)
How many quotes do you want? I could offer you a system, which gives a new quote every day through the whole year, but this means, you have to find 365 quotes.--Thw1309 08:08, 5 October 2007 (UTC)
It really needs to not be limited, just randomly grab a new quote each day. If I can't find any other alternative, I'm sure I could come up with 365 quotes but that's a lot of typing and coding. -- ALLSTARECHO 08:10, 5 October 2007 (UTC)
Try doing it like this:
{{#switch:{{#expr:{{JD}} mod 12}}|0=this is a quote|1=this is another quote|2=...|11=this is the last quote}}
Here's an example of what it produces: this is another quote. (The code I've given is for 12 quotes, the example uses 3, but you can adapt it to any number of quotes by changing the number in the mod.) This code will cycle through all the quotes in order and go back to the start when it reaches the end. Hope that helps! --ais523 11:36, 5 October 2007 (UTC)
That didn't work. It didn't pull the quotes from Portal:LGBT/Quotes. Just had blank space output. I do thank you for trying though! :) -- ALLSTARECHO 12:11, 5 October 2007 (UTC)
My design requires the quotes to be written into the coding; the method shown on that page is somewhat incompatible with mine. So you may need to come up with a new way to store the list of quotes, or to edit Portal:LGBT/Quotetemp somehow to expand the list of quotes and ignore my code entirely. You may want to contact Wikipedia:Requested templates for more help. --ais523 12:20, 5 October 2007 (UTC)
First, you can't use the | character in a quote (encode it as {{!}} if you need it). A more major problem, though, is that you hadn't provided a quote for all possibilities; I've written 'test' in for each of the 12 possiblities given. You can allow for more or fewer possibilities by changing the number 12. See what I did to make it work: [2]. --ais523 13:41, 5 October 2007 (UTC)
Huh, saw this on WP:AN and replied there, was going to post a quick note here but I see that you're getting help. Feel free to look at my solution there. It's designed to change the code of the template minimally - the only problem/limit with the template's current code that needs fixing is a slight change to the numbers in the math the template uses. Nihiltres(t.l) 22:18, 5 October 2007 (UTC)
What matters is that there are exactly enough quotes to match each number that the template has in its code. If you have exactly 60 quotes, you could even replace {{#expr:({{CURRENTMINUTE}}-1.5)/3 round 0}} with {{CURRENTMINUTE}}, since the fraction to use would be equal to 1 with no offset. :) Nihiltres(t.l) 23:08, 5 October 2007 (UTC)
As Nihiltres says, the problem isn't with the extra |, but rather that there weren't enough quotes to fill the page. The quotes are randomized based on the current time, so when you tried without the | you happened to hit a quote that wasn't there (therefore no output), and when you tried with the | you hit a quote that was there, and got output. Hope that helps! --ais523 16:38, 6 October 2007 (UTC)
The problem is that the #ifeq: is around just the part that shows the picture; for the template to work properly, the Picstemp template should be entirely contained within the #ifeq. (Note that in some cases you need to change | to {{!}} in the surrounded template for this to work.)
I've had a go; is it correct now? (Sorry, I typoed in my previous comment, making my advice somewhat hard to carry out; I've fixed it now.) --ais523 09:50, 8 October 2007 (UTC)
I'm not sure that I can see what's wrong. What do you expect to happen, compared to what does happen? --ais523 12:06, 8 October 2007 (UTC)
Oh, I see what happened now; there was an unclosed table in the template. I've closed it now at it seems to be working as intended. (Note that the indended behaviour seems to be 'float left', an instruction to place the template to the left of the main flow on the page, which looks kind of weird on your userpage; you can write {{-}} on the line after the template to cause the rest of your userpage to be below the template rather than to its right.) Hope that helps! --ais523 07:44, 9 October 2007 (UTC)
Thanks
Oh Thanks a lot. I would like you help on improving the page if you have the time. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Zlrussell (talk • contribs) 01:37, 7 October 2007 (UTC)
I'm sorry about that. It completely splipped my mind. I was sort of in a rush. Nonetheless, so what do you say about our collaboration. Also, I'm captivated by your user page. I would to have my user page somewhat like that. That's another project, I have to get to work on. Zlrussell 03:51, 7 October 2007 (UTC)
Apologies for Clock Incident
Thanks for the AYBS? Userbox it is now on my Userpage instead of the other one. I apologise about the Clock, I thought it might be Free Software like the Userboxes. I thought you might like an article on LBGT Culture in Adelaide, South Australia known as Feast Festival and an article about a former Premier of South Australia, Don Dunstan who was gay, now deceased. Please reply on my Talk Page. Kathleen.wright5 10:17, 7 October 2007 (UTC)
Lizziebabes90
I'm sorry, you're going to have to explain to me why changing Crocker's DOB from December 1987 to December 2nd 1987 is a blockable edit, especially as the user's other edits appear to be OK. Also, you have both broken the 3RR rule.ELIMINATORJR 01:28, 7 October 2007 (UTC)
I agree it's unsourced, but how is a birthdate controversial?! ELIMINATORJR 01:44, 7 October 2007 (UTC)
See the do no harm discussion in the talk pages; It can be used to identify the article subject who regularly gets death threats. Benjiboi 14:33, 8 October 2007 (UTC)
AfD
I'm fully within my rights to strike comments of mine that I feel have no further relevance. David Fuchs (talk) 13:55, 7 October 2007 (UTC)
Barnstar
New Editor Barnstar
Awarded to Allstarecho, for his both the quality and quantity of his contributions over the course of the last two months. Rarely do new users get the hang of Wikipedia as quickly as you have. Cheers, ➪HiDrNick! 22:32, 9 October 2007 (UTC)
Heyo. Your random image template User:Allstarecho/LGBTPics has unfree images in it, which are prohibited outside of articles for legal and philosophical reasons. I attempted to remove them, but borked the template in the process, so I reverted myself. Please replace the unfree images (numbers 5-9, inclusive) with free alternatives or fiddle with the script so they can be removed. Thanks, ➪HiDrNick! 22:48, 9 October 2007 (UTC)
It's just in testing for release as a portal's random pic rotator for Portal:LGBT to replace the one there. Still can't use unfree images found on WP servers, since it will be inside article or portal space? -- ALLSTARECHO 23:11, 9 October 2007 (UTC)
No, sorry. Each particular use has to be justified with a fair-use rationale, and it's impossible to come up with a justification for that sort of use. It's outlined over at WP:NONFREE. ➪HiDrNick! 23:20, 9 October 2007 (UTC)
OK, give us time (I'm working with someone else on this project) to track down free images? Is there a way to search specifically for free images on WP? I know how to do an image search but not how to do an image search based on free/unfree criteria. -- ALLSTARECHO 23:48, 9 October 2007 (UTC)
I didn't know that Ian McKellen is gay! Heh, the random pictures are informative after all. :) ➪HiDrNick! 05:16, 10 October 2007 (UTC)
I knew he was, but didn't know he was to the extent of being an activist. I thought he was like most gay Hollywood types, enjoying the sex and parties but not the politics. I learned something new too. -- ALLSTARECHO 05:21, 10 October 2007 (UTC)
Images
{{helpme}}
Is there a way to search specifically for free images on WP? I know how to do an image search but not how to do an image search based on free/unfree criteria. -- ALLSTARECHO 02:38, 10 October 2007 (UTC)
I don't know of one, but you could search (with the WP search tool or an external engine) with "public domain" or "creative commons" in the search field. Alternatively, search Commons. Everything there should be free.--chaser - t 03:21, 10 October 2007 (UTC)
Chaser nailed it. There are a whole slew of free images over on Wikimedia Commons. Check out commons:Homosexuality for quite a few GLBT free images. You can use all of those images anywhere on Wikipedia without restriction. There's no need to upload them here, either, you can just use the same file name like you would here. ➪HiDrNick! 03:33, 10 October 2007 (UTC)
Apology
I apologize for the impulsive act I made on User:Allstarecho/Chinesefood. I understand you are very strict on WP:CIVIL, and I had made sure not to offend anyone. I had made the edit as I noticed that the image was orange chicken, and I thought it'd be great to specify the userbox's definition, especially when most Westerners who like "chinese food", are actually eating American Chinese cuisine. Wikipedia, no matter what language the information is displayed in, is an international portal of knowledge, and I really wanted to avoid any confusion or bias. (There really is a difference between Dòuhuā and Tofu pudding!) If you did not want that, I apologize once again. I would now work to learn my lesson and will fully discuss userbox enquiries with the community. --Jw21/PenaltyKillah(discuss•edits) 03:26, 10 October 2007 (UTC)
Oh yes, I need to ask you something. Why would you even revert an Wikipedian bot and call it vandalism? I'm not saying that was harsh, but it's very peculiar. --Jw21/PenaltyKillah(discuss•edits) 16:33, 10 October 2007 (UTC)
Because the bot made unauthorized changes to my own user space. It removed categories that I want there as a protest to their having been ridiculously deleted. The bot removed the cats. Fine. I replaced them. That should have been the end of it. The bot came back again and removed them. If the maintainer of that bot can't code the bot to where it realizes it has already been here once before for the same job and should move along without again removing something the user put back, then that's no better than a vandal in my view. -- ALLSTARECHO 16:40, 10 October 2007 (UTC)
Cubby Talk deletion
In the Bear Community External Links you deleted mine to cubby talk with the info "Welcome to Wikipedia. Everyone is welcome to contribute constructively to the encyclopedia. However, please do not add promotional material to articles, as you did to Bear community. Advertising, and using Wikipedia as a "soapbox", is strongly discouraged. Take a look at the welcome page to learn more about Wikipedia. Thank you. -- ALLSTAR ECHO 03:38, 9 October 2007 (UTC)"
"Links mainly intended to promote a website."
"Links to sites that require payment or registration to view the relevant content."
Yet mine was the only one deleted. Whereas most of the links are for pay chat sites.
Furthermore, the link in "Other Media" is for [bTalk] is a weekly podcast recorded in Minneapolis, Minnesota featuring 4 guys who talk about Bears, tv, music, each other. Featuring Shannon Grady, Jason, Joel and Kurt (who hates always being last).
Cubby Talk is a video log, which is a video podcast... the link to www.cubbytalk.com is to a livejournal community at http://community.livejournal.com/cubbytalk/profile and is used as a webhosting service.
I will put cubby talk under "Other media" instead of external links due to it having the identical purpose as bTalk. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jojoosito (talk • contribs) 16:43, 10 October 2007 (UTC)
Actually, I'll go start a review on all of those links. I don't think any of them should be there unless they are being used as sources for the article's contents. -- ALLSTARECHO 16:44, 10 October 2007 (UTC)
That is an acceptable solution. I do hope that bTalk in "Other Media" is also deleted for it is a podcast and is essentially a promotion for their show. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jojoosito (talk • contribs) 16:54, 10 October 2007 (UTC)
List of LGBT people
Could you point me to the image size discussion? I don't follow what was being compromised over. Thanks! -- SatyrTN (talk | contribs) 04:43, 11 October 2007 (UTC)
Well, looking at the sizes, here's what I see:
A
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38K
F-J
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60K
Si-Sz
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34K
B
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55K
K-O
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65K
T-V
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40K
C
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39K
P-R
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<30K
W-Z
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49K
D-E
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38K
Sa-Sh
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31K
So Si-Sz isn't all that big comparatively. I don't know why that would be slower than the other ones. -- SatyrTN (talk | contribs) 15:12, 11 October 2007 (UTC)
That's page size - not image sizes. Simply the amount of text on the page. -- SatyrTN (talk | contribs) 15:16, 11 October 2007 (UTC)
Hi... The creator of the article removed your speedy tag. I didn't replace it because I don't feel meets the criteria for WP:CSD#A7. It's probably not notable, but it makes an assertion of notability, which is all that's required to keep it from being speedied. My opinion is that it's probably written by a blogger trying to drive traffic to his site. If I were more sure of this, I'd say tag it G11. It's not blatant, though, so you could consider prodding it -- but the creator will almost certainly remove the prod tag, so I'd suggest taking it to AfD Cheers. --Rrburke(talk) 13:37, 11 October 2007 (UTC)
You need to provide correct Information before you accuse others of vandalism
Your map is wrong, so I took it out, and then you sent me some crap about vandalism. Are you kidding me? If any one has vandalised this page it is you. You have made a lot of edits, most of which are nonsense. Half of which are wrong. How old are you kid? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.7.248.26 (talk) 04:25, 12 October 2007 (UTC)
Firstly, I'm hardly a kid. Secondly, the maps and coordinates are U.S. Geological Survey provided and official. So stop removing them as that is the source we use on Wikipedia. Thirdly, don't ever come to my user page talking to me like I'm your child. I have a dad and a mom and don't need anymore. Thank you. -- ALLSTARECHO 06:23, 12 October 2007 (UTC)
Just saying hi
Great user page, great comments, great edits (and maybe a gay rugby player, to boot--woo hoo!). I can't imagine why I haven't noticed you here long before I did. Anyhoos, I just thought I'd drop by and give you a friendly hello. Here's a little giftie for you to use if you wish--given your great user page I thought you might like it. To save you some time, the acronym stands for "Impeach The Mother Fucker Already". Something every real American should be saying right now. Jeffpw 07:32, 12 October 2007 (UTC) (Image removed for layout purposes)
And consider this a birthday present! I just saw from your userboxes that this is your birthday! Happy birthday and I hope the coming year brings all you wish for in life. Jeffpw 07:47, 12 October 2007 (UTC)
Mississippi
Thank you for your input. We are not attempting to advertise, only to record the history, and current accomlishments of a landmark department store. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.166.103.111 (talk) 09:14, 12 October 2007 (UTC)
Timed output
{{helpme}}
Working on a random picture template/script for Portal:LGBT. Have run into an issue that appears to be the last thing holding me up.. The template is at User:Allstarecho/LGBTrandomtemp. It pulls pictures and details from User:Allstarecho/LGBTrandompic. However, take a look at User:Allstarecho/LGBTrandompic and you'll see that the template is outputting every entry in there instead of a single one based on time as the template calls for with {{#ifeq: {{#expr:({{CURRENTMINUTE}}*3)/20 round 0}}|{{{1}}}|. What can I do to fix this? -- ALLSTARECHO 01:36, 12 October 2007 (UTC)
I've fixed it, but it now uses a very crazy syntax. The problem before was the table was outside the code. If you just move the table inside the if code, then the bars (|) on the images and table made it go into the "else" part of the if code, rather than do what they're supposed to. I swapped the table for html, and used the {{!}} template for the bars. I'll take another look to see if there's any way to improve it. --h2g2bob (talk) 03:36, 13 October 2007 (UTC)
Hi - a stub template or category which you created has been nominated for deletion or renaming at Wikipedia:Stub types for deletion. The stub type, which was not proposed at Wikipedia:WikiProject Stub sorting/Proposals, does not meet the standard requirements for a stub type, either through being incorrectly named, ambiguously scoped, or through failure to meet standards relating to the current stub hierarchy or likely size, as explained at Wikipedia:Stub. Please feel free to make any comments at WP:SFD regarding this stub type, and in future, please consider proposing new stub types first! Grutness...wha? 01:59, 13 October 2007 (UTC)
Hi. Could I ask you to take this down, please? It's incredibly offensive -- to anyone, but especially to people with disabilities. Please take a moment to review WP:USERPAGE#Inappropriate_content. --Rrburke(talk) 16:21, 12 October 2007 (UTC)
I didn't take it down but I did change it. Thanks. -- ALLSTARECHO 20:19, 12 October 2007 (UTC)
Hi again. I'm afraid this really isn't any better. Anything that refers in a belittling way to people with mental disabilities is really not suitable to appear on Wikipedia. Please take the opportunity of this second notice to remove this offensive material altogether. --Rrburke(talk) 12:37, 13 October 2007 (UTC)
I'm afraid I'm going to have to decline the request to totally remove it. The fact is, it doesn't target anyone specifically, except for people who are on WP to fight with other people. In fact, it's original form should have never been changed and I am considering reverting it back. The links are to existing WP articles and just the fact that the words "slow" and "retarded" and "Half-wit" redirect to "mental retardation" alone, make it acceptable use. Thanks. -- ALLSTARECHO 16:18, 13 October 2007 (UTC)
The issue is not who it targets, but rather the fact that it invokes people with mental disabilities in an offensive, unkind, derisive, belittling and mean-spirited way as its vehicle for doing so. It is distinguished from the redirects you refer by the note of ridicule, which is what makes it objectionable. I directed your attention earlier to WP:USERPAGE#Inappropriate_content. Please note that in accordance with this content guideline "[e]xtremely offensive material may be removed on sight by any editor." I have elected not to do so, but another editor may come along and remove it and be well within his or her rights to do so without asking politely, as I do now for the third time, for you to remove it yourself.
Please be aware, however, that while polite requests are the preferred way of resolving problems with inappropriate userpage content, there are other avenues for doing so: as WP:USERPAGE#Removal_of_inappropriate_content states, user subpages with inappropriate content may be deleted through the WP:MfD process, in accordance with Wikipedia's deletion policy. --Rrburke(talk) 20:20, 13 October 2007 (UTC)
Thank you for your politeness. However, I still disagree with your assessment and therefore will not remove it at this time. As I stated in my revert edit of it, many have told me how funny they think it is and only 1, you, have come to me with an issue about it. If you feel the matter needs to go to MfD, that's your call and prerogative. Thank you. -- ALLSTARECHO 21:19, 13 October 2007 (UTC)
I'm afraid I do feel that way. I'm disappointed, though, that I've failed to come up with a way to convey precisely what's objectionable about it to someone -- one of a small group, I'd like to hope -- to whom that wouldn't be self-evident. Would it help to imagine a joke in which the punchline was "you're still black" "still Jewish" or "still gay"? Possibly not, first because, in the first example, the word would have to be changed to "colored" or "Negro" to adequately capture the flavor of an archaism that, like "retarded," over time has acquired the character of a slur.
I imagine you'll object that none of the alternate punchlines is funny. I agree. The reason they're not funny is that there's nothing inherently funny about being black or Jewish or gay that would make being compared to someone who is black or Jewish or gay funny. The "humor" (such as it is) in the "joke" depends on there being something funny about being "retarded" that would make being compared to someone who is "retarded" funny. There's nothing funny about a person having a mental disability either, of course, which is precisely why the banner with its current punchline is just as unfunny, and just as offensive, as one with any of the unfunny alternates would be. I doubt you'd agree that you think there is something inherently funny about a person with a mental or developmental disability, but I can't see on what other basis it could be considered funny.
I'll leave you a courtesy note once I've nominated it for deletion. --Rrburke(talk) 00:24, 14 October 2007 (UTC)
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