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Aide-de-camp to Monarachs

When one is appointed a personal aide-de-camp to the monarch, it lasts for the appointees lifetime, unless rescinded by the monarch who appointed him or her. Each monarch appoints their own aides-de-camps at their prerogative and can appoint someone who was a personal aide-de-camp to a previous monarch, such as in the case of Louis Mountbatten, Earl Mountbatten of Burma, who was appointed a personal aide-de-camp by King Edward VIII, King George VI, and Queen Elizabeth II. (see: https://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/pathways/firstworldwar/transcripts/service_records/navalofficer_sr.htm) Thus Mountbatten was entitled to and did wear the royal cypher of all three monarchs on his shoulder straps (see: https://twitter.com/sarahdiaryz/status/1667624953766633472). Conversely, for example, Prince Phillip, Duke of Edinburgh, was only appointed an aide-de-camp by King George VI and not his wife, so he only wore the cypher of King George VI on his shoulder straps and not one of Queen Elizabeth II. As William, Prince of Wales, and Prince Edward, Duke of Edinburgh, have been appointed aides-de-camp by King Charles and were previously ADCs to Queen Elizabeth II, they are entitled to and do wear both the cyphers of both monarchs on their shoulder straps now (read the footnote linked to their entries under King Charles) Johnnorris10217 (talk) 18:28, 14 June 2023 (UTC)

I’m adding what reappointments I can find. 12.239.13.147 (talk) 18:41, 14 June 2023 (UTC)

I added them already with sources. The aren't technically "reappointments," they are new appointments as they are made by a new monarch. A holder's appointment under a previous monarch is not canceled because a monarch dies or because a new monarch also creates them a personal aide-de-camp to them. Prince Phillip, for example, was an ADC appointed by King George VI and held that title from King George VI even after King George died. Johnnorris10217 (talk) 19:09, 14 June 2023 (UTC)

Noted. I was adding some more I found with older monarchs, with accompanying sources. 12.239.13.147 (talk) 19:13, 14 June 2023 (UTC)

Question: Were the ADCs appointed by multiple monarchs or were did they just outlive the monarch who appointed them? There's a difference. Up until Charles appointed his brother and son as his ADCs, only Lord Mountbatten was appointed an ADC by multiple monarchs. Johnnorris10217 (talk) 19:15, 14 June 2023 (UTC)

Or maybe he was the first who was appointed by three different ones rather Johnnorris10217 (talk) 19:27, 14 June 2023 (UTC)

I’ve found several others who were appointed by three or more monarchs, such as such as Prince Arthur, Duke of Connaught and Strathearn, Prince Louis of Battenberg, Prince Arthur of Connaught, Alexander Cambridge, 1st Earl of Athlone, Prince Henry, Duke of Gloucester, and Prince George, Duke of Kent. Each of them has a London Gazette entry where the then reigning monarch, often toward the beginning of their reign, appoints new aides and lists the appointments. 12.239.13.147 (talk) 19:38, 14 June 2023 (UTC)

The sources I found, which I put next to them, all say something like “The King has been pleased to approve of the following appointments as Personal Aides-de-camp to His Majesty” and then lists the names of those appointed”. 12.239.13.147 (talk) 19:29, 14 June 2023 (UTC)

Nice! Great finds! Thanks for research and putting those in the article! Johnnorris10217 (talk) 20:18, 14 June 2023 (UTC)

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