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The result was: promoted by Kavyansh.Singh (talk) 20:04, 27 January 2022 (UTC)

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Twin Parks (New York City)

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Created by Coretheapple (talk). Self-nominated at 00:30, 13 January 2022 (UTC).

General eligibility:

Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems

Hook eligibility:

  • Cited: Yes
  • Interesting: No - I don't find the hook that interesting. If the development recently caught fire, then wouldn't it be expected that it has had building violations? It may also just be my experience with NYC buildings, but the DOB issues electrical violations quite often for various reasons.
QPQ: Done.

Overall: @Coretheapple: Nice work. Do you have any alternative hooks you can propose? Given this is a NYC building (for which sources are typically abundant), is it likely there's some other fact about this development that's interesting? Epicgenius (talk) 07:12, 13 January 2022 (UTC)

How about ALT 1 ".... that the Twin Parks housing project in New York City won architectural awards after it was constructed in the early 1970s, and was hailed as a novel approach to public housing?

Sources for ALT1 would be https://www.nytimes.com/1973/12/27/archives/twin-parks-an-effort-to-alter-the-pattern-of-public-housing.html (NY Times architectural column, recounting the awards, and https://www.nytimes.com/2022/01/10/nyregion/twin-parks-north-west-housing.html and https://slate.com/business/2022/01/bronx-building-fire-twin-parks-affordable-housing-icon.html all quoted within the article --Coretheapple (talk) 13:57, 13 January 2022 (UTC)

That is a step in the right direction. It may be worth including the specific architectural features that were novel. For example, the intricate arrangement of spaces that calls for a corridor every two and a half floors. Would it also be worth suggesting a third hook that is a combination of ALT0 and ALT1, like this? Epicgenius (talk) 14:05, 13 January 2022 (UTC)
  • ALT2: ... that the Twin Parks housing project in New York City, the site of a January 2022 fire that killed seventeen people, won architectural awards after it was constructed in the early 1970s? Epicgenius (talk) 14:05, 13 January 2022 (UTC)
Sure, that would do nicely. I was surprised there was no article on Twin Parks, while there were on lesser renowned Bronx housing projects. Coretheapple (talk) 14:08, 13 January 2022 (UTC)
I too was surprised this hadn't been created yet, given the number of prolific NYC editors, especially a few in the Bronx. Three years ago, I even nominated both the parks in the building's name (Crotona and Bronx Parks) for DYK, so I'm especially astonished this article didn't previously exist.
Anyway, everything is good to go, except for the fact that ALT2 needs a second reviewer to look it over. DYK regulations dictate that I can't approve my own hook proposals, so procedurally I have to send ALT2 off for another review. It should be quick however. Epicgenius (talk) 16:59, 13 January 2022 (UTC)
OK, please note that the article has been renamed from Twin Parks (New York City) to Twin Parks, and the links need to reflect taht. I have no problem with this renaming. Coretheapple (talk) 18:04, 13 January 2022 (UTC)

Policy compliance:

Hook eligibility:

QPQ: Done.

Overall: so two facts need citing on the sentence in the text, namely the fire deaths and the architectural awards. the latter is on goldberger, the former is on two paywalled NYT articles which are obviously relevant, but different to the sources mentioned above. @Coretheapple: can you add all these three sources under ALT2 please? then i think we are good to go on this DYK Mujinga (talk) 21:46, 13 January 2022 (UTC)

Certainly. The source for the casualty count is online in multiple sources, including: https://abcnews.go.com/US/dozens-injured-alarm-fire-york-city-apartment-building/story?id=82164322 Re awards: "Mr. Meier's buildings at Twin Parks Northeast, which have won awards from the City Club of New York and the New York Society or Architects" https://www.nytimes.com/1973/12/27/archives/twin-parks-an-effort-to-alter-the-pattern-of-public-housing.html The latter is actually online in the Google snippet, if you google Twin Parks with architectural awards. The awards and praise from Goldberger, a Pulitzer-winning critic, are noted in the article. Coretheapple (talk) 14:37, 14 January 2022 (UTC)
Say I had a thought for an ALT 3. If room, how about "... that the Twin Parks housing project in New York City, the site of a January 2022 fire that killed seventeen people, won architectural awards after it was constructed in the early 1970s, and models of the design were displayed at the Whitney Museum?"
The source for the added text is online at https://www.newspapers.com/clip/92436831/ground-broken-for-twin-parks-1970/ Coretheapple (talk) 15:38, 14 January 2022 (UTC)
Great so what I'm asking for is for ALT2 to be put here below, with the two claims cited with references so it's easy to check. (Also can you make Twin Parks the new link). Then can you make sure the sentences in the article which relate to the claims are referenced at the end of the sentence. Mujinga (talk) 17:27, 14 January 2022 (UTC)
Feel free to tweak ALT3 a bit more, using https://wordcount.toolforge.org/ at the moment it's 249 characters and it needs to be under 200. And please do the same with the references as above. Mujinga (talk) 17:29, 14 January 2022 (UTC)

OK see below:

--Coretheapple (talk) 18:58, 14 January 2022 (UTC)

@Coretheapple: Cool, nearly there now.
ALT2 needs the ABC link (if you want to use that one) on the article after the sentence which state 17 deaths. Or if you want to do it the other way round, take one of the two NYT articles currently on the sentence in the article and put it here.
ALT same as above re ABC link, then the hook is just too long because "that" is included in the count so it's on 204 characters right now and it needs shortening. Mujinga (talk) 19:29, 14 January 2022 (UTC)
I added the ABC News link to the article, and tweaked the hook so I think it is within parameters now. Coretheapple (talk) 20:07, 14 January 2022 (UTC)
nice one, good to go on ALT2 and ALT3 Mujinga (talk) 10:41, 15 January 2022 (UTC)
Promoting ALT2 to Prep 7 – Kavyansh.Singh (talk) 20:04, 27 January 2022 (UTC)
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