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The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by Hawkeye7 (talk) 21:11, 3 September 2014 (UTC)

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The Beatles (album)[edit]

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  • ... that the session for The Beatles led to their disbandment?
  • ALT1:... that a lack of drugs assisted the writing of The Beatles?

Improved to Good Article status by Ritchie333 (talk), Dan56, SNUGGUMS, CuriousEric, JG66. Nominated by Matty.007 (talk) at 10:19, 19 July 2014 (UTC).

  • Comment – I would like to propose an alternative for the first hook. – Editør (talk) 12:07, 19 July 2014 (UTC)
  • ALT2: ... that the recording sessions for The Beatles (1968), also known as the White Album, contributed to the disbandment of The Beatles two years later?
  • Both hooks proposed so far ALTs 0 and 2 are something like "X caused World War II" -- we should make such a statement only if there's settled scholarly consensus on the point. Because ("unfortunately") it's a very complete article with a lot of material, I can't really find where in there such a consensus is presented. Clearly these recording sessions were troubled but that's different from saying they helped cause the breakup. Can someone find what I'm looking for? EEng (talk) 13:33, 19 July 2014 (UTC)
    • They are both in the article: alt 1: "the lack of external influences and drugs sparked the band's creativity". Original: "The sessions for the album lasted until October, and ultimately led to their disbandment". Thanks, Matty.007 13:38, 19 July 2014 (UTC)
Sorry, I meant "ALTs 0 and 2" (not ALT1) -- now corrected above. Yes, I see the article text you quote, but I don't see the sources. My concern is exacerbated by a review of Break-up_of_the_Beatles -- again, I see statements like "There was tension during recording of the White Album" but not that this caused the breakup. I'm not trying to be difficult but, really, statements like X caused Y in historical or cultural events are very tricky and need rock-solid sourcing. Luckily there's plenty of material for other hooks e.g. Beatles lyrics are full of fascinating hidden references. Can't we use one of those instead? EEng (talk) 14:07, 19 July 2014 (UTC)
The lead says "The sessions for the album lasted until October, and ultimately led to their disbandment.", which is even stronger than ALT2. But if there is no proper source for it in the article, it shouldn't be in the hook, and it shouldn't even be in a good article in the first place. – Editør (talk) 20:18, 19 July 2014 (UTC)
Ritchie333, can you fix this? EEng (talk) 20:42, 19 July 2014 (UTC)
Does the section 'Personnel issues' show the friction? Thanks, Matty.007 07:57, 20 July 2014 (UTC)
  • As Bob the Builder once put it, yes I can. The lead as I wrote it just says the album session contributed to the break-up, and I have added another quotation from John Lennon who (according to the source) pretty much stated that verbatim. However, it did not cause the break-up. I agree with EEng though that the hooks are in the vein of "did you know that Fred Phelps has never been seen taking a walk up Canal Street, Manchester". Let me suggest:
ALT3 ... that The Beatles, also known as the White Album, was the first by the group not to be issued in mono in the US?
ALT4 ... that an early pressing of The Beatles with serial number 0000005 sold for over £19,000 on eBay?
ALT5 ... that in 2013, Rutherford Chang created an art exhibition of a record store where the only album for sale was The Beatles? Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 11:19, 20 July 2014 (UTC)
Inspired by Ritchie: Alt6: ... that The Beatles sold for over £19,000? Thanks, Matty.007 11:59, 20 July 2014 (UTC)
  • Full review needed now that hook discussion seems over. BlueMoonset (talk) 22:22, 11 August 2014 (UTC)
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