Template:Did you know nominations/Pour le piano
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The result was: promoted by Cwmhiraeth (talk) 06:26, 4 October 2018 (UTC)
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Pour le piano[edit]
Debussy at the piano in 1893
... that Sarabande, the second movement of Claude Debussy's piano suite Pour le piano (composer pictured at the piano), is marked "With a slow and solemn elegance"?Source: [1]
- Reviewed: Josette Frank
- Comment: a little birthday gift to Claude Debussy
5x expanded by Gerda Arendt (talk). Self-nominated at 12:34, 22 August 2018 (UTC).
Article was 5x expanded in the appropriate time frame. Hook is correctly sourced and interesting (to me, at least). Image is public domain. Copyvio wise, there's this long quotation starting "Nevertheless, this improvisational and fugitive side...." which might want to be trimmed down a bit, other than that it's all good. As for a birthday gift, well it's nicer than a card and a pair of socks, that's for sure. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 14:59, 23 August 2018 (UTC)
- Thank you, Ritchie. Feel free to trim the quote, - I have a hard time saying the same in other words, forgive my lack of English. I don't think that it would disqualify you as reviewer. I had this idea (but then turned to things with a deadline) that the other image (which I found only after nominating) might be more attractive. (Women to the Main page!) What do you think? If the one showing Debussy makes it, I think I'd have to ask David Levy again for cropping magic. Renoir had the better perspective, may the photographer forgive me.
Yvonne Lerolle and her sister Christine, by Renoir
- ALT1:
... that Sarabande, the second movement of Claude Debussy's piano suite Pour le piano was dedicated twice to Yvonne Lerolle (pictured at the piano)?--Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:20, 23 August 2018 (UTC)
Okay, have to AGF for ALT1 as it's an offline source, but I prefer that one. The picture is out of copyright, and would be a nice one to put on the main page, in my view. I've trimmed the quotation, although I have to confess I struggled to work out what on earth the source was talking about in the first place. I'm afraid I am very much a fan of "keep it simple, call a spade a spade and say what you mean". Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 15:26, 23 August 2018 (UTC)
- Thank you, but - sorry - still more work. The dedications were there before I expanded, and I took them AGF. Now I looked for something online and found the BNF which makes mistakes but normally not. It supports the dedication to Lerolle, only: she was married already. It also supports the dedication of Prèlude, but not Toccata, which it says is also dedicated to the married Lerolle. Will investigate further. How could a wording be mentioning married name and maiden name? - Perhaps back to original ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:12, 23 August 2018 (UTC)
- If you take out the word "twice" from ALT1, doesn't that fix it? Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 16:16, 23 August 2018 (UTC)
- (ec) On the same page: Images to Y. Lerolle. Wordsmith needed, for saying that he dedicated the early version (1894) to Yvonne Lerolle, and the final version (1901) to the same person, now "Mme E. Rouart, née Yvonne Lerolle". Will try in the article where we have more space.
- (after ec) not really, because for "Pour le piano", it's the wrong name. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:21, 23 August 2018 (UTC)
- Oh well, we've at least got the original hook and picture, so there's something for the prep builder to use anyway. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 16:24, 23 August 2018 (UTC)
- If you take out the word "twice" from ALT1, doesn't that fix it? Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 16:16, 23 August 2018 (UTC)
- Thank you, but - sorry - still more work. The dedications were there before I expanded, and I took them AGF. Now I looked for something online and found the BNF which makes mistakes but normally not. It supports the dedication to Lerolle, only: she was married already. It also supports the dedication of Prèlude, but not Toccata, which it says is also dedicated to the married Lerolle. Will investigate further. How could a wording be mentioning married name and maiden name? - Perhaps back to original ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:12, 23 August 2018 (UTC)
- ALT1:
- Trying harder because I prefer that image:
- ALT2:
... that Claude Debussy dedicated an 1894 version of Sarabande, and also its revised 1901 version as part of his suite Pour le piano, to the same woman (pictured at the piano by Renoir)?--Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:41, 23 August 2018 (UTC)- Well Renoir's not actually by the piano, is he? Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 16:52, 23 August 2018 (UTC)
- It is only logical that the Sarabande in the suite would be dedicated to Lerolle, since it had already been dedicated to her earlier. I don't see a hook citing this as something remarkable. Jmar67 (talk) 17:39, 23 August 2018 (UTC)
- Well, I didn't say "by Renoir at the piano". The first movement is dedicated to someone else, no?
- ALT3:
... that in 1894, Yvonne Lerolle (pictured with her sister by Renoir) was the dedicatee of a Sarabande by Claude Debussy, which he made part of his suite Pour le piano in 1901?--Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:45, 23 August 2018 (UTC) - My suggestion:
- ALT4:
... that an 1894 piano piece by Claude Debussy was dedicated to Yvonne Lerolle (pictured), included in his suite Pour le piano in 1901, and later orchestrated by Maurice Ravel.— Preceding unsigned comment added by Jmar67 (talk • contribs) 12:27, 24 August 2018 (UTC)
Reviewer needed for the most recent ALT hooks; as far as I can tell, ALT1 has issues, and Gerda Arendt would like to use the second image rather than the first. BlueMoonset (talk) 04:28, 27 September 2018 (UTC)
- I formatted ALT4, but believe there's no need to bring Ravel in. He orchestrated a lot.
- ALT
45: ... that Claude Debussy dedicated a piano piece to Yvonne Lerolle (pictured) in 1894, and included it in his suite Pour le piano in 1901? - Ritchie, are you still interested? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:01, 1 October 2018 (UTC)
- Yes, ALT4 is fine. I think it's still using the offline source isn't it, so AGF on it. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 20:56, 3 October 2018 (UTC)
- Sorry, Ritchie, I used the wrong number for the last, which you probably mean, should be ALT5. Best strike all unwanted ones for clarity. I don't dare to change your line ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:06, 3 October 2018 (UTC)
- 4, 5, 873, 65535, 2147483647 .... the last hook is fine. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 21:08, 3 October 2018 (UTC)
- striking the others ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:41, 3 October 2018 (UTC)
- 4, 5, 873, 65535, 2147483647 .... the last hook is fine. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 21:08, 3 October 2018 (UTC)
- Sorry, Ritchie, I used the wrong number for the last, which you probably mean, should be ALT5. Best strike all unwanted ones for clarity. I don't dare to change your line ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:06, 3 October 2018 (UTC)