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The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by SL93 (talk) 01:33, 11 November 2022 (UTC)

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John Foster (printer)

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First engraving produced in colonial America
First engraving produced in colonial America

5x expanded by Gwillhickers (talk). Self-nominated at 03:15, 11 October 2022 (UTC).

General: Article is new enough and long enough
Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems

Hook eligibility:

  • Cited: Yes - Offline/paywalled citation accepted in good faith
  • Interesting: Yes
  • Other problems: No - I think there's a typo in the hook--"printing" for "print." I'd suggest using the phrasing in the article, "the first print created in the American colonies," or, perhaps more clearly, "the first printed image" or "the first portrait print."
Image: Image is freely licensed, used in the article, and clear at 100px.
QPQ: Done.

Overall: Just needs some clarifying of the hook and should be ready to go. Nice expansion. blameless 03:06, 14 October 2022 (UTC)

  • @Blameless:  Done
    ALT2 ... that John Foster, a Boston printer, produced an engraving of Richard Mather in 1669, the first print produced in colonial America? -- Gwillhickers (talk) 03:24, 14 October 2022 (UTC)
    • Great. Then a from me. blameless 03:29, 14 October 2022 (UTC)
      • @Gwillhickers: could you talk me through the sourcing here? The Dictionary of American biography seems to say that it was "as early as 1671", whereas Roark doesn't seem to want to pin a date to it at all. theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/her) 23:27, 29 October 2022 (UTC)
  • No one has affixed an exact date on Foster's work, hence the statement "as early as 1671." Wroth, 1938, p. 284, also says in reference to a 1670 work, that "It is, indeed, accepted and acknowledged as the earliest engraved and printed American portrait." In light of that perhaps I should change the year date from 1671 to 1670. I'll look to other sources, just in case there is still an issue here. -- Gwillhickers (talk) 00:16, 30 October 2022 (UTC)
  • Yeah, we need to resolve the date issue before this can be promoted. Roark says "c. 1670", so perhaps that's what we should say too? -- RoySmith (talk) 22:24, 30 October 2022 (UTC)
ALT3... that John Foster, a Boston printer, produced an engraving of Richard Mather in 1670, the first printing produced in colonial America? -- Gwillhickers (talk) 17:33, 31 October 2022 (UTC)
ALT3a... that John Foster, a Boston printer, produced an engraving of Richard Mather in c. 1670, the first printing produced in colonial America? -- RoySmith (talk) 17:50, 31 October 2022 (UTC)
  • @Blameless: — We had an item that needed attention, which has been addressed. Could you take another look at the review? We're going to go with ALT3a. Thanx -- Gwillhickers (talk) 20:43, 1 November 2022 (UTC)
  • Yes, I agree that the less precise date is safer, based on the sources. My slight preference would be to write out "circa" rather than using the template, but that's not a big deal. blameless 01:26, 2 November 2022 (UTC)
  • @Blameless: — Thanks, I believe we need another 'good to go' icon to get this passed on. -- Gwillhickers (talk) 03:14, 2 November 2022 (UTC)
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