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The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by Rjjiii talk 21:37, 17 February 2024 (UTC)

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1999 Tempe military base shooting

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Moved to mainspace by PARAKANYAA (talk). Self-nominated at 09:23, 1 February 2024 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/1999 Tempe military base shooting; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.

General: Article is new enough and long enough
Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems

Hook eligibility:

  • Cited: No - In the article, the references for PAC demanding a military funeral demonstrate only "disappointment" that there is no military funeral, not a "demand" for one. However, the aggregate news source from "allAfrica" accompanying the DYK nomination does cover this and therefore needs to be in the article itself.
  • Interesting: Yes
QPQ: None required.

Overall: A well-referenced and comprehensive article. It's only a ref for the specific wording of the hook that needs attention. This is the reviewer's first DYK review—oversight welcome --AntientNestor (talk) 12:50, 10 February 2024 (UTC)

@AntientNestor oops. Fixed. PARAKANYAA (talk) 13:00, 10 February 2024 (UTC)
The reference, article and hook all agree now. Approved.--AntientNestor (talk) 13:55, 10 February 2024 (UTC)
@AntientNestor and PARAKANYAA: I can find no information on the publisher, WOZA. Allafrica.com lists a PO Box and says the news site became defunct circa 2001.[1] Could I get quick confirmation from someone that WOZA was a reliable source with editorial oversight of some kind? Rjjiii (talk) 04:06, 16 February 2024 (UTC)
@Rjjiii and PARAKANYAA:The editor of WOZA was Kevin Davie, a recipient of a journalism award from the Nieman Fellowship (Harvard University) currently business editor at the Mail & Guardian. This is not apparent from the ref as it stands. If this isn't accepted, substituting an existing RS ref from the article to cover it may be the easiest way forward.--AntientNestor (talk) 09:07, 16 February 2024 (UTC)
Lone wolf : true stories of spree killers isbn 9780753506172, Google Books has that he "deserves a funeral with full honours" if an alternative is needed.--AntientNestor (talk) 10:36, 16 February 2024 (UTC)
@Rjjiii: My interpretation of WOZA vis a vis reliability was that they are a very obscure and now defunct news service, but were reliable when they were around. As said above, their main editor and founder was Davie (which I think is a good sign for reliability). There are some sources that describe them:
  • listed here in South Africa News and Newspapers Online, "The Internet Archive archived some issues. Closed May 31, 2001 due to lack of funding. Had South African business and political news. Was an online-only news source run by Kevin Davie, former editor of Business Times."
  • mentioned in his editorial profile, "He established www.woza.co.za, an online stand-alone news portal which flourished during the dotcom era but did not do so well when dotcom went dotbomb."
  • here, "Kevin Davie is M&G's business editor. A journalist for more than 30 years, he has worked in senior positions at most major titles in the country. Davie is a Nieman Fellow (1995-1996) and cyberspace innovator, having co-founded SA's first online-only news portal, WOZA"
  • here, "Among the potential partners was Kevin Davie, creator of SA’s pioneering news portal Woza"
If that's still an issue I can change the hook. PARAKANYAA (talk) 12:39, 16 February 2024 (UTC)
Thanks much for the detailed responses. This looks good. I was just struggling to find the info above on my own, Rjjiii (talk) 21:36, 17 February 2024 (UTC)
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