Talk:Yushu Tibetan Autonomous Prefecture

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Name of the prefecture[edit]

The name of the prefecture is Yushu (named after a former tribal confederation and not after the name of its prefectural capital, Jyekundo or Gyêgu).

That Gyêgu is also often called Yushu nowadays, has two reasons:

  • it is the seat of the administration of Yushu county
  • and it is the seat of the administration of Yushu prefecture, and local people tend to designate the town according to the administrative function.

That means:

  • Yushu prefecture is much larger than Yushu county (197.000 km²)
  • Yushu county is larger than the town which is the seat of the administrative bodies mentioned.
  • The town's old name is Jyekundo, or Jyegu, written Gyêgu in modern administrative spelling, and has grown much beyond the size of the old village with its 300 families that it has been in the mid-20th century.

For all these reasons I will move this article to Yushu Tibetan Autonomous Prefecture.

--Gruschke 11:19, 5 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Spelling of the name of the prefecture[edit]

There's been some edit warring recently between spelling the name of the prefecture, Yüxü (the Tibetan pinyin spelling) or Yulshul, which is the THDL and Tournadre spelling (should be Yülshül). Both of these reflect the underlying Tibetan pronunciation [jỳːɕyː]~[jỳlɕyl] (unless Wikipedia is quite confused/confusing, there is another Tibetan pronunciation [jỳʂuː], but we seem to be ignoring that here). Two comments:

1) Let's make this is a move request if we're going to change it. The spelling in the text of the article should match the spelling in the article title.

2) Let's err on the side of keeping it the way it always has been, with the spelling "Yushu" (i.e. neither of the sides in the edit war). This spelling reflects the Chinese pronunciation [ŷʂû]. It gets more Google hits. The Tibetan naming conventions say that articles can use either the local Tibetan or the Chinese name depending on which is more common.

As for the names of the counties within the prefecture, I think we should go with whatever spelling is used for the names of those articles. One exception: I want to move Nangqên County to Nangchen County, since Nangchen is well-known under that spelling from the literature on Tibetan history.—Greg Pandatshang (talk) 10:17, 13 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Yushu vs. Yülshül - The Amdo pronunciation ([jỳʂuː]) of this name is influenced by the Chinese. The correct local Kham dialect pronunciation of the name accords with the Tournadre spelling Yülshül. There is a government move to remove even the Tibetan spelling of the name, insisting that it be spelled yu hru'u in Tibetan although this is a Tibetan transliteration of the Chinese spelling and was never used by Tibetans historically. Yushu is preferable to Yüxü, which nobody would recognize, but I think Wikipedia needs to make a larger decision concerning which naming convention to use for Tibetan instead of basing it on Google hits which will result in both conventions being used. If Nangchen is to be used, then Yülshül should also be used, or a redirect established from Yushu to Yülshül. I vote for the Tournadre/THL system. Tibetanlanguage (talk) 04:49, 17 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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