Talk:Yugoslav Second League

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Doubts[edit]

I´m not sure if this list is worth translating and including in the article:

Вечна табела клубова Друге савезне лиге Југославије (Не укључује сезоне 1946/47, 1952., 1952/53 и зонске лиге 1955/56 - 1957/58., али укључује и сезону 1991/92.)

Првих 40 клубова на вечној табели Друге савезне лиге СФРЈ, ако желите да видите клубове који су рангирани ниже погледајте овде: http://www.rsssf.com/tablesj/joeg2alltime.html#yug/

Плас. Клуб Реп. ИГ Д Н И ГД ГП ГР Бодови
1 Борац Чачак {ЗД СРБ} 992 376 280 335 1199 1055 +144 1010
2 Пролетер Зрењанин* {ЗД СРБ} 883 380 228 275 1311 1017 +294 985
3 Леотар Требиње {ЗД БИХ} 900 353 196 349 1160 1122 +38 893
4 Спартак Суботица* {ЗД СРБ} 813 344 197 272 1138 949 +189 883
5 Трепча Косовска Митровица* {ЗД СРБ} 820 336 203 281 1189 1034 +155 875
6 Сутјеска Никшић* {ЗД ЦГ} 742 354 128 249 1207 916 +219 840
7 Приштина* (-6) {ЗД СРБ} 780 338 170 272 1005 929 +76 832
8 Шибеник {ЗД ХРВ} 883 338 159 306 1133 1076 +57 829
9 Напредак Крушевац* {ЗД СРБ} 738 304 186 248 998 853 +145 786
10 Осијек* {ЗД ХРВ} 669 304 170 195 1099 784 +315 778
11 Нови Сад* {ЗД СРБ} 722 288 170 264 1009 930 +79 746
12 Борац Бања Лука* {ЗД БИХ} 638 291 141 206 1101 820 +281 718
13 Раднички Крагујевац* {ЗД СРБ} 682 273 164 245 993 860 +133 701
14 Слобода Ужице (-3) {ЗД СРБ} 672 250 181 241 744 706 +38 668
15 Будућност Подгорица* {ЗД ЦГ} 518 267 123 128 824 457 +367 657
16 Победа Прилеп {ЗД МАК} 662 245 160 257 893 930 -37 650
18 Искра Бугојно* {ЗД БИХ} 586 256 126 204 728 657 +71 629
19 Фамос Храсница {ЗД БИХ} 647 221 178 247 795 819 -24 620
20 (Браник) Марибор* {ЗД СЛО} 559 236 143 180 831 677 +154 615
21 Вартекс Вараждин {ЗД ХРВ} 669 223 169 277 873 964 -91 615
22 Раднички Пирот (-6) {ЗД СРБ} 592 222 159 111 788 697 +91 597
23 Бор* {ЗД СРБ} 562 222 143 198 684 648 +36 581
24 (Динамо) Цибалија Винковци* {ЗД ХРВ} 559 228 139 193 828 707 +121 575
25 Јединство Бихаћ (-1) {ЗД БИХ} 489 168 124 197 555 617 -62 559
26 Тетекс Тетово* {ЗД МАК} 560 209 140 211 629 680 -51 555
27 (Борац) Загреб* {ЗД ХРВ} 462 230 92 110 863 578 +285 549
28 ОФК Кикинда {ЗД СРБ} 509 215 109 175 647 549 +98 540
29 ГОШК Југ Дубровник {ЗД ХРВ} 533 207 129 197 604 616 -12 534
30 Челик Зеница* {ЗД БИХ} 433 214 95 123 707 472 +235 518
31 Јединство Брчко {ЗД БИХ} 523 204 118 211 587 632 -45 506
32 Рад Београд* {ЗД СРБ} 460 183 138 139 628 452 +176 504
33 Ловћен Цетиње {ЗД ЦГ} 552 187 130 235 624 769 -145 504
34 Бачка Бачка Паланка {ЗД СРБ} 512 177 135 196 654 710 -56 488
35 (Галеника) Земун* {ЗД СРБ} 452 183 118 151 638 542 +96 483
36 Рудар Какањ {ЗД БИХ} 455 172 96 187 574 615 -41 440
37 Црвенка* {ЗД СРБ} 400 162 96 142 582 530 +52 420
38 Сплит* {ЗД ХРВ} 451 155 106 190 594 688 -94 406
39 Мачва Шабац* {ЗД СРБ} 410 153 98 169 502 526 -24 392
40 Рудар (Љубија) Приједор {ЗД БИХ} 364 155 73 137 486 435 +51 377

Реп. = Из које је тренутно државе; ИГ = Играо утакмица; Д = Добио; Н = Нерешено; И = Изгубио; ГД = Голова дао; ГП = Голова примио; ГР = Гол разлика

* Означава клубове који су одиграли најмање једну сезону у Првој лиги Југославије (пре 1992).

  • У загради су стара имена тих клубова

Please give opinions. FkpCascais (talk) 06:20, 18 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Hey Cascais sorry it took so long for me to reply to your request for comments. I don't think that the table should be included, because there's no way of double-checking if it is correct. I cannot find a comprehensive source for Second League tables anywhere on the Internet (some tables for the period from the 1970s onwards are available but those from earlier seasons are very difficult to come by). Also, I appreciate the effort you did in creating the tables of top places teams in the article itself, but perhaps we should come up with some way of presenting the same information in a more reader-friendly format because this way it looks a bit messy. I'll play around with tables and see if I can come up with an improved version. Cheers. Timbouctou 17:12, 23 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]
OK, no problem. Let me know if you find some table more apropriate for the article. Just remember that we have different league names, dfferent formats, seasons with several champions... At least we have that expressed in the current table. The major problem is that the "lines" between seasons are too soft, so if they could be "pojačane" it would help not to mix the different seasons in the clubs section (specially when there are many 1st, 2nd and 3th places). FkpCascais (talk) 19:57, 23 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Well, this is as far is know the correct version of all-time table (checked myself), but it does not include zonal leagues in fifties, as they are by some not considered as proper 2. league.
1. PROLETER Zrenjanin 883 380 228 (223) 275 1311:1017 983
2. BORAC Čačak 956 363 271 (256) 322 1133:1012 982
3. SPARTAK Subotica 813 344 197 272 1138:949 885
4. TREPČA Kosovska Mitrovica 820 336 203 281 1188:1034 875
5. LEOTAR Trebinje 864 642 194 (185) 328 1121:1074 869
6. SUTJESKA Nikšić 742 354 140 (132) 249 1209:918 841
7. šIBENIK šibenik 803 338 159 (153) 206 1140:1080 829
8. PRIšTINA Priština 744 319 169 (161) 256 1053:885 793
9. OSIJEK Osijek 669 304 170 195 1099:784 778
10. NAPREDAK Kruševac 702 288 179 (173) 235 937:802 749
11. NOVI SAD Novi Sad 722 288 170 264 1009:930 746
12. BORAC Banja Luka 638 291 141 (136) 206 1107:822 718
13. RADNIČKI Kragujevac 646 257 159 (152) 230 949:816 666
14. BUDUĆNOST Titograd 518 267 123 128 824:457 657
15. FAMOS Hrasnica 681 232 191 258 836:843 655
16. POBEDA Prilep 662 245 160 257 894:930 650
17. SLOBODA Titovo Užice 636 235 173 (165) 228 706:659 632
18. ISKRA Bugojno 567 252 122 (116) 183 709:621 620
19. MARIBOR Maribor 559 236 143 180 835:680 615
20. VARTEKS Varaždin 669 223 169 277 873:964 615
21. RADNIČKI Pirot 592 224 159 209 790:698 601
22. DINAMO Vinkovci 559 226 140 (123) 193 819:708 575
23. BOR Bor 526 212 134 (131) 180 647:606 555
24. ZAGREB Zagreb 462 230 92 (89) 140 863:578 549
25. GOšK JUG Dubrovnik 533 207 128 (119) 198 605:591 533
26. TETEKS Tetovo 524 195 137 192 584:612 527
27. JEDINSTVO Brčko 523 193 119 211 588:634 506
28. RAD Beograd 460 183 138 139 575:458 504
29. LOVĆEN Cetinje 552 187 130 235 623:771 504
30. OFK KIKINDA Kikinda 473 198 110 (104) 165 578:509 500
31. ČELIK Zenica 414 205 91 (85) 118 676:457 495
32. RUDAR-LJUBIJA Prijedor 464 199 95 (93) 170 602:526 490
33. BAČKA Bačka Palanka 512 177 139 (132) 196 654:710 486
34. GALENIKA Zemun 452 183 118 (117) 151 638:554 483
35. JEDINSTVO Bihać 489 168 124 197 563:621 459
36. CRVENKA Crvenka 400 162 96 142 582:531 420
37. SPLIT Split 451 155 107 189 597:687 417
38. RABOTNIČKI Skopje 414 146 83 185 577:687 375
39. OLIMPIJA Ljubljana 366 150 75 (72) 141 585:490 372
40. OFK TITOGRAD Titograd 418 131 109 178 454:601 371
41. BOROVO Borovo 391 127 114 150 482:516 368
42. OFK BEOGRAD Beograd 300 152 70 (59) 78 454:274 363
43. MAČVA šabac 384 139 94 (85) 151 451:480 363
44. VARDAR Skopje 284 154 57 (54) 73 485:281 362
45. SLOBODA Tuzla 255 149 59 47 481:237 357
46. DUBOČICA Leskovac 380 124 105 151 362:462 353
47. TREšNJEVKA Zagreb 342 137 78 127 502:473 352
48. PELISTER Bitola 350 143 69 (62) 138 467:418 348
49. KARLOVAC Karlovac 38 119 85 134 427:513 323
50. LOKOMOTIVA Zagreb 337 116 83 138 525:567 315
Linhart (talk) 06:43, 4 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I think we could include this one, as long as all the name changes are explained via footnotes. We also need to specifically state which seasons are excluded. Timbouctou (talk) 16:31, 10 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Seasons[edit]

I think we should rethink which seasons to include in the list. It is actually a general problem about what Yugoslav Second League actually is. I think it is not just any league played under the first level, but only when the part of "Druga savezna liga", league actually named yugoslav and second, played on a federal level. So, for me seasons 1952 and 1952-53 can't be counted as second league and they should be listed 'not played'. Is is also a question of 'zonal leagues' 1955-58, I am personaly not sure about that.Linhart (talk) 17:38, 9 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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