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Did you know... that the Hindu text Yogatattva Upanishad states in yoga, that of the ten restraints, moderate food is most important, and of the ten observances, non-violence is most important?

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GA Review[edit]

This review is transcluded from Talk:Yogatattva Upanishad/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: Sainsf (talk · contribs) 04:44, 3 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Helping with the GAN backlog. Why are such nice articles being made to wait? Will review. Sainsf <^>_{Talk all words} 04:44, 3 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks Sainsf. Ms Saraha Welch has associated me with this Upanishad. She will also reply to some of the review comments.--Nvvchar. 09:11, 5 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

My comments follow. - MSW

Lead[edit]

Why is the name of this Upanishad in italics? I have not seen others in italics.
- This matter was discussed in the WT:DYK and it was decided that the name of the article should be in italciis. Please see here [1].

Remove the Yoga Upanishad link if it is a redlink, instead you should explain a bit about it.
- There is no article yet on this. Removed the redlink

Colebrooke and Narayana need links or identification
- Will add soon

I moved this to main, as it felt undue in the lead, explanation on Narayana more so. Little is known about Narayana. He likely lived sometime between 14th- and 17th-century, we know his father's name, and that while South Asia was torn with invasions and a period of political instability, he was busy saving, compiling, studying and writing his views on the Upanishads (and some other texts). His collection of top 52 Upanishads have been useful, though there is evidence he apparently collected a much larger number of manuscripts. Identification of Narayana in the lead, given the sketchy information we have, will distract the focus of the lead from subject of the article. In the main, I added a link for Colebooke and a bit on Narayana with source. - MSW

As expounder of Vedanta philosophy, "As an/the (as is appropriate to the subject) expounder of the Vedanta..."
- Added "an"

starting with the syllable Om Looking at its significance in Hinduism why not say "sacred Hindu syllable"?
- Qualifying it could be controversial. However the linked aricle On states that.

@Nvvchar has linked it to Om

Add a word explaining "Atman".
- Done

also called as Yogatattvopanishad (योगतत्त्वोपनिषत्) Should be in the first line of lead.

Shifted

Etymology[edit]

No origin language for the word roots?
- It is Sanskrit. Added now.

Who are Dasgupta and Deussen?
- Done

Chronology and anthologies[edit]

Some part is in italics by mistake.
- Corrected

Link Upanishad at first mention in the main text
- Done

Who are White and Whiteman?
- Will come back on Whit. Joseph Hilary Michael Whiteman was emeritus associate professor of applied mathematics , in the University of Capetown, South Africa. Added now

Added, with source. - MSW

Is it Colebrook (here) or Colebrooke (lead)?
- The same person

Link sloka
- Added

Structure[edit]

Link Telugu
- Done

Content[edit]

On Brahma’s request Vishnu explains that You have not introduced Brahma as a Hindu god
- Done

Link shastras
- Linked

Who are Aiyar and Lochtefeld ?
- Will come back

Added, with sources. - MSW

Arambha, Ghata, Parichaya, and Nishpatti These are redlinked terms, so you can add English translations.
- Done

The detailed procedure and the setting for these are described by the text "In" the text

Fixed. - MSW

List of duplinks:

Yoga and knowledge: Moksha, Brahman
- Done

Asanas: Ghata
- Done

Kundalini: paricaya, Brahmans, Vajroli, Amaroli

Fixed - MSW

Om meditation: Vedas, Agnis

Fixed - MSW

In Yogatattva text In "the" ...
- Added

wherein the flame of lamp lights up within the pot of body Needs a bit of formatting. What is the lamp?

Fixed - MSW

Reception[edit]

Is it Yoga text or Yogic text?
- Chnaged to texts on Yoga

Duplinks: tantric, chakra
- Removed

References:Why use bold in ref. no. 6?
- It was an author link. Deleted now.

Suggestion : @Nvvchar: This is an excellent article that describes each facet of its topic in a beautiful language (not being flowery or biased). I even felt a subtle attraction to the topic because of your emotionless yet lively description. I suggest you take this to FAC, it will surely succeed. This must be one of your most excellent works here.

@Ms Sarah Welch: May please check my replies and add wherever not yet replied. Nvvchar. 09:26, 5 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

@Sainsf: Thank you for the detailed, specific comments. Very helpful. @Nvvchar: I am done with my edits. I also added who Ayyangar is, etc in the spirit of @Sainsf review, as I went line by line. Some sentences felt unclear, so I reworded them after checking the sources. Have another look, and if I missed something please fix, if I made it worse please revert. Ms Sarah Welch (talk) 21:56, 5 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

@Sainsf:. Ms Sarah Welch has answered all the review comments and has improved the text as relevant. We are done. We take your suggestion to take this article to FA seriously and expect your Peer review at that stage. Thanks.Nvvchar. 01:45, 6 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

The article is in a very good shape now. I promote this to GA status. @Nvvchar: Sorry I do not frequent the Peer review page, let other eyes look at it as well. Sainsf <^>_{Talk all words} 04:38, 6 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you very much, Sainsf for promoting the article to GA. Legobot has again not left a message on my talk page. To Ms Sarah Welch for information.Nvvchar. 05:07, 6 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Why does upasarga (yoga) link here?[edit]

@Rudrasharman: Why did you link upasarga (yoga) here? This article does not even contain the word upasarga. Wikipedia seeminlgy contains no explanation for upasarga (yoga) so why even have a redirect for it, especially to this article? If you want the redirect, add an explanation of upasarga to the page. Otherwise I will delete the redirect.Iṣṭa Devatā (talk) 15:53, 16 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Support delete. Upasarga in yoga context is a form of yogic power attainment (a siddhi). This WP:AGF redirect to this article is inappropriate. Ms Sarah Welch (talk) 01:47, 17 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Because the upanishad has the term. It refers to the troubles and afflictions that the yoga practitioner has to avoid or overcome. Google it if you're curious. This redirect is from a gazillion years ago, back when I might have summoned the energy to expand on the placeholder. Now I don't care. (shrug). rudra (talk) 23:17, 7 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]