Talk:Ye Olde Dolphin Inne

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John Speed[edit]

It seems like a bit of a stretch to say that "the pub appears on the 1620 map of John Speed". Speed's map does show a cluster of houses in the area where the Dolphin would be, but there is nothing to identify any of them as a public house. Also, the map is from 1610. Zacwill (talk) 18:24, 21 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I'm assuming there was no map of 1620, of Derbyshire or Derby itself. As far as I can see the town map insert shows a cluster of houses between "3. Alhallowes" (All Souls' Cathedral) and "2. St Michaells" to the north. But it's certainly not marked. I'm guessing that the pub got this factoid handed down to it from some erstwhile anonymous "local history expert". But quite apart from that, the pub website link seems to no longer function. For me it connects to just an empty blue page?? Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 18:47, 21 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The site is accessible via the Wayback Machine – it correctly gives the date of the map as 1610, so the error is Wikipedia's. The claim is still questionable, however, and the source is hardly scholarly. Zacwill (talk) 19:31, 21 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Quite agree. Might be worth removing that: the pub obviously pre-dates Speed's day anyway. There may be an alternative source, but to me it seems untenable. Perhaps the pub thought better of that website! Martinevans123 (talk) 19:37, 21 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The claim has now been excised. Zacwill (talk) 19:44, 21 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks. If I ever discover who added that, I'll give them a good talking to. Credulous fool! And even put the wrong year. lol Martinevans123 (talk) 20:08, 21 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]