Talk:Wilferd Madelung

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Question about the introduction[edit]

Currently it says: "He was particularly celebrated in Iran for his "knowledgeable and fair" treatment of the Shia perspective." This statement refers to a single article in the Tehran Times newspaper reporting on an event on Madelung. Despite this praise, the article there is written in a rather condescending tone and the quote reproduced here is not entirely representative. Madelung has certainly been rather widely received in Iran because of his research on Shiism, but the portrayal of his reception there based on one newspaper article is somewhat problematic: very poor ranking in the https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Press_Freedom_Index. Could someone present this a little more broadly or better backed up?--BineMaja (talk) 16:56, 18 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

There weren't many obituaries to choose from when I added that, which was right after his death. I made the best of what there was. Better sources might exist now, but his focus and specialism on Shi'ism is notable. Iskandar323 (talk) 06:11, 19 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you Iskandar323 for your good explication. So I looked for more biographical material and obituaries and, with reference to that, have broadened the presentation of Madelung's life, research and impact a bit, in addition to the quote discussed here that you inserted. BineMaja (talk) 12:55, 21 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

84.69.59.195 wrote on July 29 as a summary of the deletion of the quote "He was particularly celebrated in Iran for his 'knowledgeable and fair' treatment of the Shia perspective": "Obvious biased content". HistoryofIran the same day reinserted this quote and wrote in the summary of the change (detailed arguments should better be written in the discussion page): "rv, well, you're probably not wrong, but that's how he was viewed in Iran, whether that's right or wrong. I don't see a reason to remove it, it should probably be expanded upon in the body of the article. It's not really a controversial statement either as far as I can see". -> This somewhat contested quote is an evaluative statement from a state-controlled medium. However, it is neither propagandistic nor polemical, but within the framework of what is rather normal in reviews or obituaries, also internationally. It could therefore pass as a somewhat representative reflection of public (professional) opinion in Iran, as HistoryofIran argues. To me, it seems important that such quotes do not stand alone, which is why I have added a more factual one from an obituary. So if anyone wants to add more context or something more broadly representative to Madelung's history of impact, go ahead. However, the focus of this article should remain on Madelung's works themselves. In the lead-in to this quote, I have replaced the word "particularly celebrated" with "appreciated" that might seem less biased. — Preceding unsigned comment added by BineMaja (talk • contribs) 12:47, 30 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Madelung has passed away[edit]

Info here: [1] — Preceding unsigned comment added by Arash azizi (talk • contribs) 13:33, 9 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Untitled[edit]

Many facts can be imorted from here: [2]

--Striver 06:46, 12 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

You are right Zora, ill try to broaden the stub template, rename it to "Islamic scholars" instead of "Islamic theologians" . --Striver 09:07, 22 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Just about all of the information you have given on this topic has been based on Shiite views-putting Sunnis views negatively and giving false information. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.98.23.128 (talk) 17:54, 23 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]