Talk:White phosphorus munitions/Archives/2007/January

Ga nom on hold

Great article. A few minor points:

• Now, it acknowledges that its forces used white phosphorus during the 2006 Israel-Lebanon conflict.In the History section. Provides a link to a source but inline citations need to be used.

• In the Smoke-screening agent section, the short list should be made into a paragraph simply because prose is better than lists ,according to the manuel of style. Minor point.

• Its used in the 2006 Israel-Lebanon conflictis mentioned twice.

• The accepted lethal dose when white phosphorus is ingested orally is 1 mg/kg, although the ingestion of as little as 15 mg has resulted in death. Wouldn't 1mg be less than 15 mg?

This article needs only a few minor corrections to become a GA. --Banana04131 04:43, 1 January 2007 (UTC)

I removed the link in the Israel Lebanon section completely because it only duplicated what was in another link. The short list is fixed. I've removed one of the mentions of the Israel-Lebanon conflict and moved the other (along with Iraq) to the history section (both bits were in "Arms Control Status" which didn't make much sense). Regarding the lethal dose, I think what it's saying is that even though the lethal dose is 1 mg per kg of body weight, there has been a report of somebody ingesting 15 mg. It's a little ambiguous because we don't supply the weight of the person who ingested the 15 mg but if it was an adult the lethal dose would have been much less than 1 mg/kg. There's probably a better way of expressing this in the article. --Lee Hunter 19:34, 1 January 2007 (UTC)

Great work! I am going to change it to 1 mg per kg of body weight. I think that is clear enough. Another point I thought of is that White phosphorus is a redirect to this article, White phosphorus (weapon). A move should be considered but I am not going to make it part of the GA nom. Cheers! --Banana04131 21:57, 1 January 2007 (UTC)

Passed! --Banana04131 22:01, 1 January 2007 (UTC)

Dec 2006 War in Somalia

There are reports that Ethiopian troops used white phosphorus weapons against Somali forces in the battle of Baidao. Many Somali combatants contracted signs of WP effects during and after the fighting. their accounts of the fighting include that they have seen clouds of white smog after the shelling in to their trenches, burning of skin, nose bleeding after the shelling.

Many reliable sources are suggesting that American special forces in Djibouti and in Ethiopia's region 5, are supporting Ethiopian military in the fight against Somali UIC forces.

Somali Islamic forces withdrew from the front lines immediately after UIC fighters took the Manas Militry camp, Maya-foolka (a check point at the entrance of Baidao, from the Ethiopian and Somali federal government troops. Baidao, the federal government's strong hold and its interim seat has been encircled by the powerful UIC Jihadist fighters, upon withdrawal, the fighters said it's military retreat from all front lines was a military tactic..this is not the case of a military retreat it looks like a kind of military polite defeatism. When Ethiopian defence has been overrun by human wave attacks of UIC to capture the interim Capital, the last resort for Ethiopian military inevitably becames the friendly super power in the background behind Ethiopia's ill-trained soldiers. Baidao is at the edge of falling in to the hands of Islamic courts Union they are massing thousands of high morale fighters on to all corners to Baidao it is about to fall today or tomorrow to UIC but a bolt out of the blue, all of a sudden, The UIC advance to Baidao was thwarted to retreat in convoys to Mugadisho later to Kistmayo. UIC officials talked about this shocking retreat saying "All Ethiopian offensive and defense is neutralized. They can not defend the city let alone attacks they are hopeless but the turn is America's at the front lines. American soldiers are using all they can do even illegal weapons are being used in and around civilian locations, Fixed wing war planes (AC 130) figher jets (F-18) night vision goggles to locate concentration of UIC troops to afflict maximum damage. in the first days of the fighting, All military material belonged to US military in the region and later American soldiers are doing the dirt job. this is true in Somalia. Now we have to vacate population residial areas to save our people from Enemy onslaught".UIC commander.

Residents' comments say "bodies on the ground change immediately after death to black and it seems the enemy is using extra-ordinary incendiary weapons and chemical weapons as well against the conventional somali fighters who are armed with only artillery, anti aircraft missiles and small arms".

This is a global obligation to be looked in to, while the world's most super power uses chemical weapons against civilian and semi-civilian people and against the conventional fighters who can't use the same defense against the enemy. America is committing war crimes and atrocities against humanity and Somali people as a whole. if the world do not stop in time American offense on Muslim countries, the world must wait their turn to come sooner or later under the occupation.

Later reports are indicating US war planes are spraying unknown agents of chemical weapons on Somlia's Raskanboni villages--someimes liquid, sometimes live bombs. Animals are dying on the ground, people die in their homes there must be dirt work there this is another Anfal or Falujah. World should react in honest and action.

Ahmed H. Student in South Africa.—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 198.54.202.250 (talk • contribs) 11:09, January 13, 2007 (UTC)

moved unsourced comment to talk page. --Dual Freq 15:27, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

Move

I propose we move this article to White phosphorus.Comments?--Banana 01:07, 22 January 2007 (UTC)