Talk:Walling

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23:56, 28 November 2015 Xaosflux (talk | contribs) deleted page Talk:Walling (G6: Housekeeping and routine (non-controversial) cleanup)

For the record, Xaosflux is the illuminati agent covering up the CIA leak, not I. I'm an innocent party who just wanted to comment I swear. <!//– ☠ ʇdɯ0ɹd ɥsɐq ☠ // user // talk // twitter //–> 09:50, 17 May 2016 (UTC)

• I've restored the page history - as you can see there was nothing being hidden - it was completely unrelated to this article and a redirect to an unrelated topic, I don't really remember the rest of the details of the deletion anymore. — xaosflux ^Talk 11:28, 17 May 2016 (UTC)

Discussion

Now, I wanted to comment asking if this is actually considered legitimate 'torture' in comparison to other torture methods, could anyone clarify? Given the leak that the CIA 'lost' over 6,700 pages of reports on torture at the hands of the American government I noticed one of the key elements that cropped up over and over again was this 'walling,' then on reading the lede it seemed to be some freaky ass BDSM thing. BUT, on reading further and realising the lede is just poorly realised it literally breaks down to 'shoving someone who is standing up against a wall so they bump into the wall which is annoying and somewhat painful.'

It's not exactly pulling out fingernails or going all Vlad the Impaler, are we sure that we're not retroactively applying terms onto things based on how we are becoming a bit of a generation of delicate snowflakes? I think outside of the media it would be hard to find people who don't have a dog in the fight who would call pushing someone around 'torture,' but at the same time IF I am totally missing something and it IS some freaky BDSM thing with some kind of weird garotte style 'collar' that is pulled through a hole in a wall behind them or something then sure that's torturous by design as it's using a machine or mechanism designed to inflict discomfort not just shoving someone around. <!//– ☠ ʇdɯ0ɹd ɥsɐq ☠ // user // talk // twitter //–> 09:50, 17 May 2016 (UTC)

That's an interesting theory. If you can find some reliable sources that describe walling as playful banter - the kind CIA operatives and detainees were often wont to engage in - that will be helpful to your cause. -Darouet (talk) 18:59, 17 May 2016 (UTC)

I think BaSH_PR0MPT makes a good point here: this article spends more space on the US government's misrepresentation of their torture techniques than it does with detainees reported experiences. Reading the article through could create a false impression that repeatedly bashing someone against a wall is somehow not torture. I think this article could use some expansion.2601:401:180:E1E0:C5AB:705E:154D:8CBC (talk) 06:29, 29 July 2020 (UTC)

Inconsistencies

At this guardian article, it states Six of the detainees said they were slammed into walls after having a collar placed around their necks. The CIA called it “walling”: a fake, flexible wall is constructed and a detainee is thrown against it, creating a loud noise. The noise is designed to make the detainee believe they are injured. I can't see evidence in some articles that the goal of walling was to hurt the person or to scare them. At the very least the 'loud noise' part should be included in the article.

On another note, the fourth reference in the article doesn't make a direct link between the walling and the brain damage described so this should be looked over again. It only states that The specialist found that the “abnormalities observed were consistent with traumatic brain injury.” Willbb234 01:56, 28 March 2023 (UTC)