Talk:Viva la Vida or Death and All His Friends

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Former good article nomineeViva la Vida or Death and All His Friends was a Music good articles nominee, but did not meet the good article criteria at the time. There may be suggestions below for improving the article. Once these issues have been addressed, the article can be renominated. Editors may also seek a reassessment of the decision if they believe there was a mistake.
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Genre[edit]

So, we should get sources for what genre this album belongs into. It's a popular album so it shouldn't be too hard to find something. We need them anyways per WP:RS, WP:OR and WP:SUBJECTIVE. Andrzejbanas (talk) 10:39, 27 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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Tracklist[edit]

Some notes before I change this again, since they won't fit in the edit summary:

  1. All songs are credited to Berryman/Buckland/Champion/Martin as individuals in the liner notes, not the band Coldplay. Pharrell Williams isn't mentioned anywhere, not even on Qobuz ([1], [2], [3], [4]), Tidal ([5], [6]) or Apple Music ([7], [8]). Only Spotify claims he's a writer on Life in Technicolor, which appears to be a mistake.
  2. There's also no need to repeat the list of writers 13 times when only 2 of them are different and the rest can be covered by |all_writing=. I'm not sure there's even any point of listing producers per track, for the same reason.
  3. Reign of Love is explicitly named on the tracklist on physical releases, unlike Chinese Sleep Chant and The Escapist. It's omitted on the original digital release, but this is corrected on subsequent re-releases (see above links for examples).
  4. * is the correct formatting for a non-numbered, bulleted list. <br/>• is an unnecessary kludge. Chinese Sleep Chant and The Escapist should probably just be mentioned in |note= anyway.

-- I need a name (talk) 17:06, 29 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

US release date[edit]

Unless I'm missing something the US release date in the infobox is currently unsourced. Also, it saying the album was leaked in early January makes it seem like a May date was implausible. GustavoCza Would you be able to look into this? – zmbro (talk) (cont) 15:27, 7 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I genuinely have no idea about Viva's proper release date, streaming platforms say it was indeed in May though. GustavoCza (talk • contribs) 16:39, 7 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Hmmm. We definitely need to figure that out. I can investigate later this week. GustavoCza – zmbro (talk) (cont) 16:49, 7 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
The album debuted at number-one in Billboard 200 on 25 June 2008. Perhaps this May date refers to the single? I mentioned "streaming platforms" but that was after a quick check on Spotify, which can be quite inaccurate with older release dates. Apple Music US and UK are currently showing the same release date for the album.
https://www.billboard.com/music/music-news/viva-la-coldplay-1306822/
GustavoCza (talk • contribs) 16:56, 7 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I say we remove the May date. Discogs (though not reliable) says June 17, as does AllMusic (which always covers US dates). GustavoCza – zmbro (talk) (cont) 15:07, 10 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Put this 17 June date in the release history and leave the infobox with the UK date only, it's the one Coldplay counts for anniversaries anyway. GustavoCza (talk • contribs) 15:40, 10 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Good article proposal[edit]

Due to complete copyedit I did today, I'm nominating this article as being a good article. Looking forward to the review and making any necessary changes (if needed). Electricmaster (talk) 10:22, 6 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

GA Review[edit]

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Reviewer: DannyMusicEditor (talk · contribs) 05:39, 22 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]


I must unfortunately fail this nomination of an iconic pop rock record. While it was made in earnest good faith and the nominator has made edits and familiarized themselves with the article, I believe additional understanding and significant improvements are required which cannot be reasonably done in the frame of a GAN discussion.

Before considering re-nomination, please fix the following issues:

  • There are currently five {{citation needed}} tags. You must add a citation to or remove each of these claims, preferably the former.
  • There are even more unsourced statements that don't bear those tags. Among these are an unattributed quote from Will Champion, the subject matter of "Lovers in Japan/Reign of Love" and "Yes", everything regarding Davide Rossi, the total gross revenue of the album's tour, several of the album's reviews, and the entirety of the release history. Make sure everything is attributable to a source.
  • Critical reception is far too short for the purported best-selling album of 2008. I want to see more highlights drawn from the sources of what made this album so great.
    • On the plus side, the prose is not awful; I'd advise using surnames only after the first mention of an individual, though, the first example I see being Guy Berryman.

I hope none of this is taken personally, I see it was your first attempt at the GA process. Don't be too discouraged. I intend for this to be a learning experience, and if you have any follow-up questions on how to improve this article, I'd be happy to answer them. I have over 20 music-related good articles to my name; I encourage you to browse them for inspiration. I wish you the best.

dannymusiceditor oops 05:39, 22 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Oh, not at all! It went from a surprisingly error-riddled article to a pretty good article, imo. A lot of that was from copyediting. I also think these notes should be heeded to any future editors looking at how to improve this, as I agree that an album this iconic deserves better. Electricmaster (talk) 16:07, 22 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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