Talk:Viscera (wrestler)

Time Off

It seems like every couple weeks this guy is taking off. Now he's been gone for several weeks and missed Wrestlemania. Some say it's to lose weight while others say he's sick. Where is he can anyone answer this. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.3.169.94 (talk) 16:56, 12 April 2008 (UTC)

Wikipedia is not a forum Gavyn Sykes (talk) 20:23, 12 April 2008 (UTC)

Yeah but don't we need to get as source for it? SexySeaSquid 20:28, 13 April 2008 (UTC)

BIG DADDY V IS NOW LOSING WEIGHT CAUSE OF HEART PROBLEMS —Preceding unsigned comment added by Lolwowzer33 (talk • contribs) 23:45, 21 May 2008 (UTC)

his pneumonia is getting pretty bad... ive heard hes actually lost around 40 pounds hes so sick. Hollywoodd 00:22, 8 August 2008 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Kperfekt722 (talk • contribs)

WWE has realeased him today Friday, August 8, 2008

That means he has been fired along with: Nunzio Shannon Moore Domino James Curtis (KC James) Refere Nick Patrick —Preceding unsigned comment added by 201.141.176.29 (talk) 21:33, 8 August 2008 (UTC)

MIA?

What happened to Big Daddy V in the past couple of months? Magik Ninja 47 (talk) 02:45, 17 August 2008 (UTC)

He was given time off to lose weight and just got released yesterday. Gavyn Sykes (talk) 02:57, 17 August 2008 (UTC)

Big splash or running splash?

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The result of the proposal was big splash per WP:SNOW, and the party previously disagreeing has now come to an agreement. Nikki♥311 20:32, 26 January 2009 (UTC)

Because this has been switched back and forth so many times, I have invited User:PCE and User:Maxwell7985 as well as members of WP:PW to comment. Should Frazier's attack from the second rope be termed a "Big splash" or "Running splash"? All comments are welcome. Thanks, GaryColemanFan (talk) 00:38, 24 January 2009 (UTC)

Really? Seems simple to me. A Running splash requires that the wrestler be RUNNING. You can't do that from the second rope, so it would be a big splash. TJ Spyke 00:41, 24 January 2009 (UTC)

Agreed. Plus, a Google News Search provides reliable sources such as SLAM Wrestling which refers to it as a "big splash". He doesn't have a profile on WWE.com anymore, but on Trish Stratu's alumni page, it mentions him performing a "big splash" on her. Nikki♥311 00:45, 24 January 2009 (UTC)

Big Splash - per above.--TRUCO 00:49, 24 January 2009 (UTC)

Big Splash - per WP:COMMONSENSE. ArcAngel (talk) 00:59, 24 January 2009 (UTC)

Big Splash - per ArcAngel Genius101^Guestbook 01:11, 24 January 2009 (UTC)

Big splash - per TJ Spyke - PCE, 8:12, January 23, 2009 (ET)

BS(no pun) - per everyone Simon^KSK 01:41, 24 January 2009 (UTC)

Big Splash - per TJ Spyke. You can't run if you're on the rope. SAVIOR_SELF.777 02:02, 24 January 2009 (UTC)

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Big Titty V redirects here (?)

I'm not familiar with this person and I didn't see it mentioned in the article so I don't know if this is really a legitimate verifiable nickname or just a joke. Although it is humorous, this person probably wouldn't condone its use. Actually, at first I thought it was the title of a porno movie (and it probably is). Anyways, I'm probably going to put up a request at Wikipedia:RfD for deletion, unless someone objects and can verify this nickname? -- OlEnglish ^(Talk) 22:30, 23 March 2009 (UTC)

It sure seems like a joke. He has never used that name, nor do I imagine that people would use it while searching for him. I would say it could be speedily deleted under criterion g-10 (attack page). GaryColemanFan (talk) 22:35, 23 March 2009 (UTC)

 Done -- OlEnglish ^(Talk) 22:42, 27 March 2009 (UTC)

Nelson in a movie?

When will there be a page for the new upcoming movie The Legend of Awesomest Maximus? How would I find out what character he is playing as well? Danny Boy 420 (talk) 21:39, 15 June 2009 (UTC)

The Wall

I saw him on some minor promotion's TV show once, under the name the Wall (not to be confused with the deceased WCW wrestler who went by that name). I think he was aligned with a tag team called the Storm Troopers, with a German gimmick.76.226.142.85 (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 20:59, 18 December 2009 (UTC).

Didn't he also start out in Memphis doing a nerd gimmick under the name "Nelson Penrod Jr."? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.1.233.47 (talk) 02:18, 24 November 2010 (UTC)

Born

I see in the infobox that it says he was born in Brampton, Ontario. But the reference of Online World of Wrestling says nothing of him being born in Brampton. Can someone confirm where he was actually born? Brampton doesn't seem right. Mr. C.C.^{Hey yo!}_{I didn't do it!} 23:07, 19 October 2010 (UTC)

Nelson's real height and weight?

Has not his height and weihgt changed any since he left WWE? RoyalRumbleMan (talk) 18:56, 1 February 2011 (UTC)

Got a source its changed?--SteamIron 18:59, 1 February 2011 (UTC)

I do right here, http://www.onlineworldofwrestling.com/bios/k/king-v/ 98.20.14.51 (talk) 01:02, 15 February 2013 (UTC)

Requested move 2012

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The result of the proposal was not moved. --BDD (talk) 20:25, 13 December 2012 (UTC) (non-admin closure)

Nelson Frazier, Jr. → Big Daddy V – I recently declined a G6 technical move of this page to Big Daddy V (currently a redirect here). The proposer, User:Feedback, stated that "Big Daddy V" is the most common name for Frazier, and thus the article should be located there. Whilst I don't disagree that a move is required if this is so, I'm not convinced that Big Daddy V is in fact the most common moniker used (the article mentions several others, Viscera being perhaps the other major contender). However, I know next-to-nothing about professional wrestling, so I'm opening this to comment from other, more knowledgable editors (that's you guys) - if there's a consensus that this fellow is best known as Big Daddy V, then I'm happy to make it so. If, on the other hand, there's no reason to prefer one stage name over another, then his birth name is the sensible place to have the article. Yunshui 雲‍水 14:42, 6 December 2012 (UTC)

Oppose. Frazier has had notable runs under several other names, including a high-profile run as Mabel. He's also had two gimmicks under the name Viscera. His time as Big Daddy V was comparatively short and there's no obvious reason his article should be there over any other name. --Jtalledo (talk) 21:09, 6 December 2012 (UTC)

Oppose - his run under Viscera and Mabel were just as notable if not more.  MPJ -US  16:09, 8 December 2012 (UTC)

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Above discussion

I guess I missed the above discussion, but let's review here. Both oppositions make sense, and they are fair arguments to oppose moving it to Big Daddy V, but there has yet to be a good reason to actually keep it at "Nelson Frazier, Jr.". Per WP:COMMONNAME and WP:BIRTHNAME, his real name isn't a correct substitute for the most common name. Obviously, Mr. Frazier has a few common names (Viscera, Mabel, King Mabel, Daddy V, Big Daddy V), but only one can be the most common. We should be having the discussion of "which name is more common?", because we all know it's definitely not "Nelson Frazier, Jr." Feedback ^☎ 14:43, 6 February 2013 (UTC)

WP:BIRTHNAME governs the lead, not the title, and so is largely irrelevant here. WP:COMMONNAME states that: "When there is no single obvious term that is obviously the most frequently used for the topic, as used by a significant majority of reliable English language sources, editors should reach a consensus as to which title is best by considering [WP:NAMINGCRITERIA]," which in turn states that: "For most topics, there is a simple and obvious title ... However, in some cases the choice is not so obvious. It may be necessary to favor one or more of these goals over the others. This is done by consensus"(my emphasis). In this instance, therefore, it seems necessary to achieve consensus for the article title rather than relying on any given guideline. The low participation in the above RM discussion isn't sufficient to demonstrate such a consensus - I would suggest that a more appropriate place to raise this issue, in order to get more eyes on the subject, would be Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Professional wrestling, rather than another move request here. Yunshui 雲‍水 14:54, 6 February 2013 (UTC)

He's a tricky one. Mabel and Viscera are pretty much tied, in my opinion. He's wrestled longer as Viscera (14 years, off and on) than as Mabel (five), but as Mabel he was the King (and briefly a tag champ), while Viscera was more of a midcard lackey. Viscera would likely get more Google hits, since the Internet was much hotter in that era, but Mabel has more historical significance. Also keep in mind that Viscera is (in story) an alter-ego of Mabel, not just a new gimmick. like how Batman is Bruce Wayne. So even when he's Viscera, he's still officially Mabel, just under The Undertaker's spell. But when he was Mabel, Viscera didn't exist at all. Not sure how to weigh all that. Which is why I'm leaning toward Nelson Frazier, Jr. InedibleHulk (talk) 17:25, 6 February 2013 (UTC)

Just leave it at Nelson Frazier, Jr.. Like Ed Leslie (aka Brutus Beefcake, Zodiac, The Disciple, Bootyman, Brother Bruti, etc), he is definitely not primarily known by his given name, but he's been well known by a variety of names. But unlike Ed Leslie, who still occasionally competes or makes appearances under the Brutus name, it seems that Frazier currently uses his older names interchangeably in addition to some different names, so we should just default to his given name. --Jtalledo (talk) 17:33, 6 February 2013 (UTC)

I'd like to vote for Big Daddy V. It's the 1 WWE.com uses. AARDJ (talk) 18:44, 6 February 2013 (UTC)

if we can't choose the common name (he was king of the ring as mabel, competed a lot of years as viscera and his last name in wwe vas big daddy v) i think that the better choice is nelson frazier, jr.--HHH Pedrigree (talk) 20:41, 6 February 2013 (UTC)

He was Mabel for three years and Viscara for a combined seven, plus Viscera is during a time with much higher ratings and thus viewers. The only drawback is that he was less highly featured for a lot of those seven years but I still think if you're going with a ring name, Viscera would be it. Tony2Times (talk) 07:41, 8 February 2013 (UTC)

Mabel lasted from June 1993 to January 1999. Viscera "returned" several times in the Indies, after he became Big Daddy V. Here's a timeline. InedibleHulk (talk) 08:24, 8 February 2013 (UTC)

Death

per WP:RS, do not add anything regarding this subjects death unless it is reported by a reliable source. These are sources that are considered reliable for professional wrestling related articles.LM2000 (talk) 05:01, 19 February 2014 (UTC)

Welp, that's settled.LM2000 (talk) 05:36, 19 February 2014 (UTC)

RIP Viscera. Look up his match vs Kane at Backlash 2005. starship.paint (talk | ctrb) 12:14, 19 February 2014 (UTC)

Yes. RIP.PeterMan844 (talk) 09:02, 20 February 2014 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 19 February 2014

Nelson Fraizer, Jr.

American professional wrestler who has recently died.

Submit this link to references to confirm his passing by virtue of his former employer, WWE.

http://www.wwe.com/inside/big-daddy-v-passes-26182717 71.88.217.116 (talk) 12:35, 19 February 2014 (UTC)

So you just want your link added? — Wyliepedia 12:57, 19 February 2014 (UTC)

Requested move 2014

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The result of the move request was: Page not moved: no consensus Ground Zero | t 18:31, 9 September 2014 (UTC)

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Nelson Frazier, Jr. → Nelson Frazier – There is Nelson-Frasier Furniture (currently J.A. Byrd Mercantile Store), but I believe that "Nelson Frazier" is precise enough for this wrestler. The "Jr." is not necessary at this point. I'm not proposing ring names, as those one of the names have has been. These ring names are too competitive, so the birth name (with or without "Jr.") should be given the Sean Combs-treatment. George Ho (talk) 00:24, 26 August 2014 (UTC)

Oppose- Neither of these is his most common name. Feedback ^☎ 20:05, 26 August 2014 (UTC)

WP:NCP and WP:AT encourage using a common name. But he has too many well-known pen names and nicknames, so let's not propose them please. (Proven itself as ineffective) --George Ho (talk) 01:50, 27 August 2014 (UTC)

When we have a WP:USEBIRTHNAMEIFTOOMANYCOMMONNAMES guideline, you can start using that argument. Until then, that line of thinking is completely useless. No one knows this guy as "Nelson". No one will look up "Nelson Frazier" when looking for this individual. The article should be placed under the most common name. The fact that many editors seem to not "get it" is mindboggling. You know, these discussions aren't strawpolls, they should be based on consensus. If 2 people voted for a move based on guidelines and 10 people opposed due to personal preference, the support votes hold more water and should be declared a consensus. But that's not how we're doing it here. We're deciding these discussions on random votes instead of on guideline-based arguments as they should be. There is no guideline that supports this article's placement under "Nelson Frazier", only a bunch of misguided individuals. Feedback ^☎ 14:28, 27 August 2014 (UTC)

I'm not familiar with his nicknames either. So tell me, what are his common names? --Gh87 in the public computer (talk) 23:00, 27 August 2014 (UTC)

He has three prominent ring names: (1) Mabel - the name he used when he debuted in the World Wrestling Federation; he used this name from 1993 until 1996. During this time, he won the King of the Ring tournament and had a two-day reign as tag team champion. He was also featured in the main event of a major pay-per-view event. (2) Viscera - the name he used when he returned full-time to WWE. He used the name for a year, being featured as the enforcer of a group of wrestlers. He held the hardcore championship for several minutes under this gimmick. He then returned to WWE and used the name for another three years, during which time he was a hypersexualized character who wrestled on the midcard. (3) Big Daddy V - the name he used as an enforcer and contender for the ECW championship. He remained with the WWE for a year; during this time, he seems to have been most notable for his ever-growing size. He also used the name (along with Viscera) on the independent circuit. I omit King Mabel from this list, as it was part of the Mabel gimmick in much the same way that King Harley Race, King Jim Duggan, and King Haku (with crown!) have been billed as such without an actual gimmick change. Now, I may be a little off on some of these descriptions. When I stopped watching wrestling, he was still Mabel, so I summarized the rest of his career based on his Wikipedia article. When I started typing this reply, I was going to say that, if the page needs to be moved, I would support Viscera (wrestler) because it was the name he used during the peak of the company's popularity. However, the article indicates that he actually spent less time in the WWF/WWE than I realized, so I think he might have actually been featured more prominently as Mabel (wrestler). I would support a move to either Viscera or Mabel, but I lean toward Mabel. I do not think a move to Nelson Frazier would be appropriate; my third preference would be for the article to remain in its current location. GaryColemanFan (talk) 00:41, 28 August 2014 (UTC)

He seldom used "Mabel" in post-1990s, so he was never prominent as "Mabel" since. As for "Viscera", he chose it and other names over "Mabel", so the article can't be named as "Mabel". --George Ho (talk) 03:10, 28 August 2014 (UTC)

I don't understand. Are you saying that the common name must be from 2000 to present? If so, why? Both arguments you put forward in your reply seem to indicate that you feel that the common name must be recent. Am I misinterpreting your words? GaryColemanFan (talk) 05:04, 28 August 2014 (UTC)

Actually, I tried to explain that the wrestler switched from the name (Mabel), used from 1993 to 1996, to other names and used them more often than the name "Mabel". In other words, "Mabel" may be as notable and common as "Viscera" and "Big Daddy V", methinks. To be honest, even as a male, I have seldom watched WWE/WWF ever, so I'm unsure. I was too busy thinking about pop music and evolution of computers. Back on topic, let's compare to "The Rock", who became Dwayne Johnson (due to his prominent acting career). As I realized, Johnson had other ring names. I was going to compare their notabilities, but I guess that's irrelevant. Okay, Johnson has been known as "The Rock", but Frazier was known with at least two or three ring names. However, Feedback thinks that the most common name is Mabel because Mabel is more notable and prominent name, but he's been equating notability to commonality. --George Ho (talk) 05:56, 28 August 2014 (UTC)

I never said I supported Mabel as the name. In fact, I support Viscera. He used that name for 5 total years on TV after the 3 years as Mabel. He was then rechristened Big Daddy V, but what do you think the V stood for? That's right: Viscera. He continued using the names Daddy V and King V on the indie circuit, so he can continue alluding to the name Viscera despite not legally being able to use it. It's clear that Frazier has 3 common names, but we have to choose 1. There is a guideline that literally says that what we SHOULDN'T do is use the birthname ( WP:STAGENAME). But of course, people here like voting for things they don't even understand. We have to choose 1 of the 3 notable names, not settle for the least notable one. Feedback ^☎ 19:21, 28 August 2014 (UTC)

It doesn't say we shouldn't, it says your way is generally best. Like all guidelines, occasional exceptions may apply. I've never been confused about that, personally. And you generally shouldn't use numerals for "one" or "three". Hardly important on a talk page, though. InedibleHulk (talk) 22:43, 28 August 2014 (UTC)

I feel the same way. I read common name and sateg name. However, "The name used most often to refer to a person in reliable sources is generally the one that should be used as the article title". Generally, should. Like Hulk said, exceptions. I think is a good idea, if we can't find a Common Name beacuse the wrestler had various notable, common names, we use the real name, even if he never used it. --HHH Pedrigree (talk) 12:07, 29 August 2014 (UTC)

Nothing says evolution of computers, pop music and odd gimmicks like The York Foundation. So long Red Rooster Terry, Wildfire Tommy and Rock'n'Roll Ricky, hello the future! InedibleHulk (talk) 10:21, 28 August 2014 (UTC)

• Support His dad doesn't seem like he'll be notable soon. No disambiguation needed. More concise. The store is a non-factor. That was a Nelson and a Frasier, not a Nelson Frasier. InedibleHulk (talk) 21:54, 26 August 2014 (UTC)

Anyone up for trying to find a consensus for where to move this article? As far as I can tell, there are five possibilities: Nelson Frazier, Jr., Nelson Frazier, Mabel (wrestler), Viscera (wrestler), and Big Daddy V. Could we discuss the relative merits of each and come up with a consensus based on which name is the most agreeable (read: least disagreeable) to the greatest number? Please note that this is quite different from a majority vote, as the most agreeable compromise could, theoretically, not be anyone's top preference. I have given my reasons above, but I was still on the fence between Mabel (wrestler) and Viscera (wrestler). Feedback's reasoning for Viscera (wrestler) is enough to convince me there. I support, in this order: (1) Viscera (wrestler) - used for a long period during a surge in popularity for wrestling, and derivative names seem to have been based on this one. (2) Mabel (wrestler) - had his greatest success and biggest push under this name, but at a point of low exposure for wrestling. (3) Nelson Frazier, Jr. - his name. (4) Big Daddy V - a well-known ring name, but seems clearly less notable than the other two major gimmicks. (5) Nelson Frazier - neither his name nor a ring name. GaryColemanFan (talk) 01:49, 29 August 2014 (UTC)

I really doubt "Jr." is on his birth certificate, so #5 would be his name. #3 would be the name used to distinguish him from his father. Of all 5, #3 is probably the worst choice to name this article and yet it's the current name. Be that as it may, I won't ever support a move to an uncommon name. Due to the guidelines, I support a move to Viscera which is arguably his most common name. I'm open to arguing which of #1, #2 & #4 is his most common name, but I just can't support using his birthname because IndedibleHulk feels that we should ignore the rule and make this an exception. Feedback ^☎ 07:10, 30 August 2014 (UTC)

I'm more for replaying that game with Brutus "The Butcher" Leslie, but if we're doing this again, see the above discussion (it's called Above Discussion) for what I still think. I could have sworn that argument was longer. Wikiproject page, maybe? InedibleHulk (talk) 05:53, 29 August 2014 (UTC)

• Oppose - I generally concur with GaryColemanFan while also agreeing with Feedback's sentiments about using the WP:COMMONNAME (a ring name) instead of the real name. My ultimate preference is Viscera (wrestler). Here's some statistics. He wrestled as Mabel 91 times on WWF television, most of them were within June 1993 - June 1995, and two matches in January 1999. This was the pre-Attitude Era, which started in 1996 according to WWE. However, as Viscera, he wrestled 169 times on WWF television, including at the end of the popular Attitude Era (1999-2000) and beyond (2004-2007). Big Daddy V had less than 40 televised matches across all promotions and little comparative success. Sure, Mabel had more success as King of the Ring. But Viscera had more exposure and more longevity. One factor (success) versus two factors (exposure and longevity). Therefore, I'm supporting Viscera. starship.paint ~ regal 14:58, 30 August 2014 (UTC)
• Oppose Usually I'm more conflicted when it comes to wrestlers with multiple ring names, I'm dreading the eventual Mark LoMonaco move request, but I think that Feedback and Starship make solid arguments as to why Viscera is his common name. On paper he may have had more success under the Mabel moniker but it was at a time when the product wasn't in very good shape, whereas he wrestled as Viscera during the 90s wrestling boom, and continued to wrestle under that name well into the 2000s, before changing to Big Daddy V which seems to be a variation of that, and he used that name right up until just about the time he died. With that, I'll Support move to Viscera (wrestler).LM2000 (talk) 16:12, 30 August 2014 (UTC)
• Oppose, prefer Viscera (wrestler) as this ring name coincides with the WWF's peak popularity. McPhail (talk) 20:46, 30 August 2014 (UTC)
• Comment When considering popularity of certain periods, keep in mind that the current WWE era involves WWE.com and the Network, which feature virtually everything filmed. Also consider that when he died, WWE.com (and other sites) offered plenty of "tribute" playlists and retrospectives (and made his real name more known). It's not like "Mabel" or "Viscera" were never seen again after their real-time runs. Almost certainly more often in all the years since. InedibleHulk (talk) 21:48, 30 August 2014 (UTC)

So what does this mean? In my opinion, this means that current viewers have access to old footage. This would point to viewers being more familiar to the name where he made the most appearances under, which is Viscera. starship.paint ~ regal 08:37, 31 August 2014 (UTC)

It means modern people (our audience) can watch whatever they want, from whenever, in whichever order. They don't watch a career front-to-back and come away thinking about the longest part. Most wouldn't, anyway. These modern people know all sorts of things the marks in Mabel's day (or Viscera's day) didn't (or weren't supposed to). The company itself is the dirtsheet now, and openly acknowledges that real people play gimmicks for money. I miss the old days, but we should reflect reality. There was a wrestler named Nelson Frazier who became notable playing multiple gimmicks for money. He didn't have a breakout character, like Sting, Yokozuna or whoever. He had three. InedibleHulk (talk) 06:49, 1 September 2014 (UTC)

To the record, I always tough the V was a Five. However, I feel like Hulk. He is a wrestler without a breackout gimmick, he had three mid-known gimmciks. Mabel had the biggest push, Viscera was in the Attitude Era and Big Daddy had some push. I think, the best idea is make an exception, like we made with Superstar Bill Graham. --HHH Pedrigree (talk) 11:27, 1 September 2014 (UTC)

Yeah, Big Daddy V was near the top of the WWE ECW brand. That's not quite near the top of Raw or SmackDown, but better than a lot of spots on those. The "V" in Villano V is a five (the second one, anyway). So was the one in Shadow V (I think), but Shadow WX is a whole other deal. InedibleHulk (talk) 04:05, 3 September 2014 (UTC)

Big Daddy V would have a chance if he won the ECW Championship. But, he did not. "Near the top" is not good enough, when compared to his previous successes. Nearly everybody on ECW had ECW Championship shots anyway, even Zack Ryder and Yoshi Tatsu. Anyway, Hulk, the order in which people watch Viscera's content doesn't matter. He still has the most content as Viscera. You could have watched his career in reverse and he still wrestled the most as Viscera. starship.paint ~ regal 05:42, 3 September 2014 (UTC)

But "most" only has any real meaning in the context of "all". If people are only watching "some", we don't know how much of that (however much it is) is from the "most" pile or the "rest" pile. For all we know, the "Universe" might be mostly digging Big Daddy, either for recentism reasons or boob reasons. All we know is reliable sources (secondary and primary) reflect that, as Macho Man says, he's "a chameleon, yeah."

Many people casually watched wrestling for a bit, for some period in their lives. Show a random one of them Mabel vs Undertaker, there's a good chance they'll recognize him as "Viscera". Show another Viscera teaming with The Undertaker, good chance they'll say it's the new Mabel. Show them Big Daddy V vs The Undertaker, they should still all recognize The Undertaker. That's why his common name works.

Try Googling "viscera wwf" or "viscera wwe" and count how many other names you also see. That's the same thing everyone sees, because that's the way it is. Even just "viscera" gets me three images of Big Daddy V to two proper Visceras/Viscerae. All the same thing, like the Trinity, except with Nelson Frazier as God. Not to be confused with Trinity (wrestler), who was just that. InedibleHulk (talk) 07:07, 3 September 2014 (UTC)

I don't see how you can argue against statistics. Even if people watch only some, chances are they still watched more Viscera, because there is more Viscera content. As for boob fetishes, there's no real evidence of that. Right now, it's just a figment of your imagination which is yet to be proved. Hell, people might have a mohawk fetish to watch Viscera. As for the online pictures ... they are skewed with recentism for Big Daddy V. The Internet (and posting pictures on the Internet) wasn't as widely used when he was Mabel or Viscera. starship.paint ~ regal 08:40, 3 September 2014 (UTC)

Could be the mohawk, or the velvet pajamas. I don't think the image thing is recentism, just contextual tagging. The older pics have long been digitized and uploaded. Google knows they're all the same person, and seems to suggest slightly more people click Big Daddy V images after searching for Viscera. With "wwe mabel", I get all five purple guys. But no matter which term, the top web results always feature "Nelson Frazier" and the others. Same goes for everyone in Wikipedia's day, so anyone who's looked up any character is aware of his real name and personality issues. Whether they knew in the mid-nineties or mid-2000s is irrelevant.

You can't trust sheer numbers of available things to gauge a consumer's tendency. We're not mindless collectors. Plastic utensils greatly outnumber metal ones, but most people's drawers contain more metal. There are probably a million spiders to every puppy, but people overwhelmingly choose puppies for pets. Cheers has 270 episodes (135 hour-blocks), Game of Thrones only 40. Guess which one is on far more people's computers. InedibleHulk (talk) 02:40, 4 September 2014 (UTC)

• Oppose, this is a tough one but I would rule out his real name as I don't believe it was ever used on TV and most people wouldn't know that name. He was Mabel during a very low viewership time in WWF. Obviously the "V" in Big Daddy V stood for Viscera (as Feedback, I believe, previously mentioned). So he spent most of his time as Viscera or Big Daddy V, which ties into the name Viscera, so my vote is for Viscera. InFlamester20 (talk) 22:28, 30 August 2014 (UTC)

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Orphaned references in Viscera (wrestler)

I check pages listed in Category:Pages with incorrect ref formatting to try to fix reference errors. One of the things I do is look for content for orphaned references in wikilinked articles. I have found content for some of Viscera (wrestler)'s orphans, the problem is that I found more than one version. I can't determine which (if any) is correct for this article, so I am asking for a sentient editor to look it over and copy the correct ref content into this article.

Reference named "Cagematch":

• From Afa Anoaʻi: "Profil von Afa Anoai". Cagematch.net. Retrieved 2007-05-30.
• From All Japan Pro Wrestling: "Update on AJPW's Personal Situation (German)".
• From Seiya Sanada: http://www.cagematch.net/?id=2&nr=5096&gimmick=Seiya+Sanada
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