Talk:Visa requirements for Taiwanese citizens

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Colombia has changed policy for Taiwan passport requiring visa since 2023/6. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2603:8001:8501:4A12:E136:85A7:66B8:A8C1 (talk) 22:14, 29 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Republic of Georgia does not recognize ROC passports and will not grant a visa for entry[edit]

This seems to be the official policy and it should be reflected on the map, but currently Armenia is colored instead of Georgia. Armenia is visa on arrival. Can someone fix the map?

This article in the news link below states that admission is not "Denied" in Georgia. You need a Mainland Travel Permit for Taiwan residents to travel there. Please correct the map color and information. Link: https://focustaiwan.tw/society/202312070017 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 211.72.35.118 (talk) 20:56, 9 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The map dispalys georgia as grey[edit]

according to the map georgia(caucasus) needs a visa to enter the ROC. but according to the list there is no admission.

Republic of Serbia does not require ROC passport holders to obtain a visa. However, they must obtain pre-entry clearance via the Serbian Embassy in Tokyo.[edit]

Barbados no longer transit only visa, but full tourist visa can be applied for with a fee of $200 BBD/ $100 USD from Barbados Consulate[edit]

roc passport only no id card[edit]

how bout if you only have an roc passport with no roc id card, or compatriot permit? some overseas chinese only have roc passport and not entitled to roc id card, huko, or compatriot permit. —Preceding unsigned comment added by CHESIMOR (talk • contribs) 06:59, 21 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

My Corrections[edit]

  • Countries/Regions that do not accept Republic of China passport is not necessary to be presented. besides the Visa-Access condition for Taiwanese is improving, Montenegro, Serbia do accept Taiwan passport.
  • Hong Kong doesn't count for Visa-Free to Taiwanese! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Gorden Cheng (talk • contribs) 01:25, 23 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • For diplomatic/official passport is much less useful to the public readers of Wiki, as most ordinary citizens follow the usual rules other than government officials. who do gain more privileges. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Gorden Cheng (talk • contribs) 23:26, 23 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

visa free[edit]

I personally think that HK and China can be considered as special cases for visa-free/visa-on-arrival because taiwan compatriot pass is considered as a valid travel document, in such case, this document does function as same as ROC passport. I think it is same, fundamentally. We can certainly add mark them, in different colour, if that can compromise both sides.

Malaysia should be categorized as visa free, in my opinion. "Visa-free" is advertised by both Taiwanese and Malaysian governments. The terminology is used on all official documents, media, and public publications. I certainly agree with Hmliaw's point that we can note it in the article but it is not necessary to put it on the map. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.185.86.114 (talk) 15:49, 21 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Move discussion in progress[edit]

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Requested move[edit]

The following discussion is an archived discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was: procedurally closed. This is a mess. If you wanted to contest the close you should have done so back in September, not reopened it six months later. Please start a new RM. Jenks24 (talk) 14:27, 24 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]


Visa requirements for Republic of China citizens → Visa requirements for Taiwanese citizens – more common and precise name for the people of Taiwan. Base on

  1. Most of the countries gives visa free regime to "Taiwanese citizens" not "ROC citizens".
  2. The main article has been moved to Taiwan, Foreign relations of Taiwan.
  3. Most of the visa free regimes here only for the people who with full citizenship of Taiwan (i.e. have Taiwanese National Identification Card number) [1]. The overseas Chinese holding Taiwanese passport are excluded.128.125.140.167 (talk) 17:25, 14 September 2012 (UTC) :: relisted by User:Guerrilla of the Renmin at 01:37, 23 March 2013‎ (UTC)[reply]
  • Support. The relevant page on the U.S. consulate site uses "Taiwan" only. There is no mention of "Republic of China" or "ROC". Kauffner (talk) 23:54, 14 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • That's not a valid reason at all. Should we move this page to "Visa requirements for Chinese Taipei nationals" based on this? or "Visa requirements for Chinese residents of Taiwan" based on this? --Jiang (talk) 20:32, 19 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Compare to Taiwan passport, which was recently moved with clear consensus. Some editors have maintained that governmental Taiwan topics should retain the state's official name, but the position has generally failed to gain traction in these discussions. --BDD (talk) 22:25, 15 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment: The visa requirements listed on this page do not apply to everyone eligible to hold a Republic of China passport, but only those with a Republic of China National Identification Card, which is only issued to nationals who have household registration in Taiwan. Taiwan's laws make no mention of "citizenship"; household registration in Taiwan is "de facto citizenship" but this is not asserted in such simple terms by reliable sources. Countries that grant visa waivers to Taiwan passport holders usually require that a ID Card number be imprinted in the passport, limiting the benefits of visa-free travel to those with household registration in Taiwan, not to all ROC nationals (which legally include all PRC nationals and overseas Chinese). Neither "Republic of China citizens" not "Taiwanese citizens" successfully capture this distinction. Perhaps the term "Taiwanese citizens" is internally consistent with other Wikipedia articles, but no such thing exists as a matter of law. --Jiang (talk) 06:27, 19 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Further comment: The most helpful version of this article for readers would be a move to "Visa requirements for Republic of China nationals" juxtaposing requirements for ROC passport numbers with ID numbers with those without, i.e., and a third column to the table. This would require going to each entry such as this one looking for the existence of the text "for holders of Chinese Taipei passports, provided passport includes a Personal ID number" to see if the requirements differ. --Jiang (talk) 20:32, 19 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose. There is no country government by the name Taiwan. Ambiguities are dealt with by hatnotes and redirects, not titles. 110.4.4.114 (talk) 10:56, 29 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]
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Name and content mismatch[edit]

Look, I moved it back to the old title because the new title just makes no sense with the content as is. If you are keen to see this moved to say "Taiwanese" not "Republic of China", you will first need to edit the article to be about Taiwanese residents and not about Republic of China nationals, many of whom are not Taiwanese. It simply makes no sense to say "Taiwanese citizens can be divided into Taiwanese citizens and Chinese citizens", as the article previously said. Work out what the article is about, then change the title. I don't care which you choose, but the title has to match the content. --PalaceGuard008 (Talk) 14:04, 20 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

 Done, tough I'm not the one who did it, your concerns had been addressed when I found this article. I'll move it back. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Emmette Hernandez Coleman (talk • contribs) 18:44, 20 March 2013
Bad move. There is no such thing as "Taiwanese citizenship" or as being a "citizen of Taiwan", since the government identifies as the Republic of China. Citizenship and nationality law is one of the places where it is proper to use official names. Shrigley (talk) 00:34, 21 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
You're a little late to the above RM. Even factoring in your lone oppose (not counting the IP who said "There is no country government by the name Taiwan.") probably wouldn't have changed the outcome. BDD pointed out "Some editors have maintained that governmental Taiwan topics should retain the state's official name, but the position has generally failed to gain traction in these discussions.", and taking his statement at face value, there would seem to be no consensus for your view. Emmette Hernandez Coleman (talk) 01:10, 21 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
This article title and article itself is forcing "Taiwanese identity" on all ROC nationals, Taiwanese and otherwise, that is POV. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 159.53.110.142 (talk) 18:20, 19 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Distinguish visa map files[edit]

I recall back in 2009 when the visa map only highlighted a handful of countries that Taiwanese citizens could travel to visa-free or visa-on-arrival (which was roughly equivalent to a Chinese passport) prior to reciprocity from countries or areas (e.g. Schengen) that exempts passports containing personal ID. There needs to be 2 separate visa maps that distinguish between resident and non-resident passport holders, since the Taiwan passport as a travel document appears to be a special case.

therewillbehotcake (talk) 10:36, 7 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

No such thing as "Taiwanese citizen"[edit]

There is no such thing in ROC law as "Taiwanese citizen" or "Taiwan citizen". There isn't even such a thing as "ROC citizen". The concept of "citizen" doesn't exist in ROC law. --24.130.149.55 (talk) 09:39, 13 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I agree. The title of this article violates Wikipedia practice of not taking sides as to which government is the legitimate government of China. Some people want to make Taiwan independent, but Wikipedia is not suppose to take sides. Wowee Zowee public (talk) 18:50, 1 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Notes to future editors[edit]

I have fixed and updated the article in order to bring it up to the standards of similar articles. When editing, however, there are certain things to keep in mind:

  • The term "Taiwanese citizenship" and "Taiwanese nationality" are both incorrect but are commonly cited by various pan-independence Taiwanese editors. The ROC nationality law states that only "Republic of China nationality" exists in Taiwan. To avoid the neutrality issues, future editors should refrain from stating terms which specifies Taiwan as a nationality since it does not exist under Taiwanese law and political neutrality must be maintained.
  • Another reason to refrain from using "Taiwanese citizenship" or "Taiwanese nationality" is that over 2-3 millions of ROC nationals lack any rights of abode in Taiwan thanks to the harsh immigration law which refuses to recognize these people as "Taiwanese residents", hence these people (most have ancestries in Mainland China) are not Taiwanese, but simply ROC nationals. The purpose of this article is to provide reliable information to all holders of ROC passports, not just for residents of Taiwan.

Again, this is an article which provides visa-free information to ROC passport holders regardless of whether residing in Taiwan, not a contest grid between pan-independence and pan-unification Taiwanese residents. If you have any problems with the above-mentioned terms please take it to the Chinese Wikipedia article for discussion. The terms are set until Taiwan amends its own nationality law. C-GAUN (talk) 16:40, 5 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Also, please consult IATA data prior to editing. If your English reading ability is not proficient enough to understand the text, I suggest Google Translate or other similar translation tools.C-GAUN (talk) 18:38, 12 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Does this mean we should also change the title? Szqecs (talk) 02:13, 18 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Honestly that would be the best, but changing a title needs a lot of work... Also Taiwanese nationalism is high right now and that move would probably attract more vandalism than it already has...C-GAUN (talk) 19:45, 19 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

@C-GAUN: Well there is a rule to use commonly recognized names. WP:UCRN. I think it can be extended to names in articles as well. WP:POVNAMING. "If a name is widely used in reliable sources (particularly those written in English), and is therefore likely to be well recognized by readers, it may be used even though some may regard it as biased." So it really depends on which is more common in sources. You shouldn't base that on just a few sources like IATA and the ROC government. Szqecs (talk) 19:47, 25 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
@Szqecs: I am aware of the community guidelines, but again, in my opinion, political neutrality (WP:NPOV) is a more important part regarding these articles as a non-political-neutral title is not only "biased" but fundamentally incorrect to some. I have no meaning to change the title as I am not Taiwanese. By the way, the official government publications and IATA is pretty much all there is for editing such articles, so I don't know what you mean by "base that on a few sources" since obviously you can't use unofficial sources such as TripAdvisor or other blogs.C-GAUN (talk) 20:19, 25 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Why is United States classified as visa-free?[edit]

The US requires authorization in advance and a fee. I don't think it should be blue on the map and green in the list because it is misleading. Visa-free should mean all you need is a valid passport. Szqecs (talk) 01:16, 18 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

The US's ESTA is under the so-called Visa Waiver Program, so under US law, passengers from the VWP do not require visas but ESTAs. The naming scheme is different from other e-visa countries such as Australia, where ETA is considered a special type of visa under Australian law. The coloring of map is to reflect the nature of law systems of different countries. (Yes, I know it sounds hypocritical but that's the way America is...) C-GAUN (talk) 19:37, 19 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Why is United Kingdom classified as green?[edit]

Visa policy of United Kingdom for Taiwanese citizens is visa-free with National ID number required. So UK should be classified as yellow like Europe,US and so on which need a passport with National ID number. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 220.142.164.5 (talk) 02:38, 19 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]


US and Canada[edit]

Both of these countries have considered Taiwan as exempt from visa requirements but placed different obstacles (the US's ESTA and Canada's eTA), hence some may consider as de facto e-visa requirements. I will placate this situation by using the old map from August 2018 which listed both as visa exempt. Note that this still does not apply to Australia which has a de facto visa requirement (also, under Australian legislation, non-Australian citizens must hold a valid visa to enter Australia anyway). If anyone thinks otherwise they should state their reasons before going ahead and creating their own maps without consultation. C-GAUN (talk) 02:00, 27 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Russia E-Visa for those w/ ID Num. Only?[edit]

The new map for including the Russian e-visa policy shows in light blue, which is the color for e-visas for those w/ an ID number. However, there is no evidence that Russia's visa policy is limited to those w/ an ID number unless proof is shown. If there is none, can the map be corrected to the darker blue for all ROC citizens instead? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:647:4400:2477:B150:393E:B569:A691 (talk) 05:47, 6 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

US/Canada/Russia[edit]

All of the other countries in the US' Visa Waiver Program/visa waiver for Canada are directly listed as Green for visa-free, not the light blue that's currently being used. Either those should change or all the Visa Waiver countries' visa requirements map need to be changed. Also, there is no evidence that the Russian e-visa is limited to those with a ID card only: it seems that all ROC citizens are able to get the Russian e-visa. Please change map accordingly. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:647:4400:2477:C0D8:4F2B:9E44:F91C (talk) 06:07, 13 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

How to deal with the 2 types of ROC passports in the map[edit]

Prior to a few weeks ago, the map used different shades of green and blue to deal with the issue of visa waivers for all ROC passports vs. only those with ID numbers. Someone then changed the map without discussion to only show the visa requirements for those with ID numbers in their passport. That move might be justifiable given that 23.5m Taiwanese citizens have household registration and qualify for such passports (but then colors should be changed to the standardized colors used for the HKSAR passport map, Visa requirements for Chinese citizens of Hong Kong).

However, it might be good to discuss the three ways of dealing with the issue and decide on the best way:

  1. A single map with different shades of blue and green to simultaneously show the requirements for NWHR and those with ID nubmers in their passport
  2. A single map only showing the requirements for those with ID numbers in their passport, with details for NWHR only in the chart below
  3. Two separate maps, one for those with ID numbers in their passport and one for NWHR

06:53, 21 July 2021 (UTC)

Lebanon error?[edit]

The top Visa Requirement Map appears to show Lebanon as Visa on Arrival. But the article lists Lebanon as Visa Required elsewhere. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A00:23C5:C707:EE01:6591:3AA8:7CBB:66ED (talk) 12:44, 25 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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