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Requested move 31 May 2020[edit]

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Government of Victoria → Victorian State Government – The State Government refers to itself as the Victorian Government and has done so for a substantial amount of time. It's the WP:COMMONNAME for the government, and moreover, is the official name (WP:NCGAL). The government is also called the Victorian Government in legislation and has done so for a while now: legislation.vic.gov.au search for "Victorian Government". You can also see this on Google Trends. This move is in-line with recent changes to Queensland Government and Australian Government. ItsPugle (talk) 08:49, 31 May 2020 (UTC)—Relisting. Mdaniels5757 (talk) 22:02, 8 June 2020 (UTC) —Relisted. P.I. Ellsworth  ed. put'r there 18:39, 2 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Previous closure

No consensus. See no agreement below to make any change at this time. As is usual with a no-consensus outcome, editors can strengthen their arguments and try again in a few months to garner consensus for a page rename. (nac by page mover) P.I. Ellsworth  ed. put'r there 03:52, 29 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted as the result of a discussion on my talk page. This request will be closed in seven days, hopefully with an achieved consensus. P.I. Ellsworth  ed. put'r there 18:53, 2 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
This was previously Victorian Government, however such title was too ambiguous. There does appear to be a consensus for moving this article to the Government's proper noun though. ItsPugle (talk) 11:52, 3 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment: This is a bit more ambiguous than the other Australian states, because of the other meanings of "Victorian". O.N.R. (talk) 13:39, 31 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Use Victorian state government. "Victorian government" (which would not have a capital g in it, being a descriptive phrase not a proper name) is obviously ambiguous with Queen Victoria's government; many more people have heard of her than of the state in Australia named after her. "Victorian Government" is only the most common name for this subject among Australians (in the same way that "London" means a place in Ontario to people who live in Ontario and who call the original by "London, England" or "London, UK"). Given that the original title also actually has this Queen Victoria ambiguity problem to an extent, "Victorian state government" is the best bet for WP:PRECISE and WP:RECOGNIZABLE purposes, and is not so long that WP:CONCISE is a problem. It will also be WP:CONSISTENT with similar disambiguations, e.g. List of Washington state symbols, and List of New York state parks. If the exact phrase "Victorian State Government" appears capitalised as a proper name in most reliable sources that use the three-word phrase, then I'd be okay with Victorian State Government, capitalised. If "Victorian Government" has actually become an official, formal name, then "Victorian Government (Australia)" might work. I remain skeptical, though. The same nominator makes the same kind of claim at Talk:Government of New South Wales: "The NSW Government refers to itself as the NSW Government". But that is not its official name, and WP doesn't care what shorthand Australian bureaucrats and journalists prefer to use. We have to be much more clear for our own audience.

    PS: There are various New York and Washington state article titles that need to be moved to lower-case "state"; "Washington state" and "New York state" are not themselves proper names, though either string may appear in one (e.g. New York State Police and Washington State Guard are proper names). A number of articles are also unnecessarily using parenthetical disambiguators, and should be moved from things like List of mountains of New York (state) to List of mountains of New York state per WP:NATURALDIS and WP:CONCISE, since the added punctuation serves no purpose. (And the fact that the better names are often red links is a clear sign that someone just named them as they liked without much thought going into it.)  — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼  12:21, 2 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

    • I think using Victorian State Government is appropriate here - as far as I've been taught etc, you use a capital G for the actual authority (the Australian Government), and a lowercase g when talking about general governance (the government). I'm not too involved when it comes to the US' articles, as I have some personal qualms about American English. Not to mention that the US' government isn't exactly consistent (or organised) when it comes to how it refers to various nouns and phrases. WikiProject US Government or even WikiProject USA might be able to help though. ItsPugle (talk) 11:42, 3 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
      • @SMcCandlish: Are you okay with Victoria State Government (minus the n) since that matches with the state logo? ItsPugle (talk) 04:09, 15 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
        I would be okay with Victoria state government, since the phrase isn't really a proper name (nor is Victoria state). Going the shortest route, Victoria government, still has a whiff of ambiguity.  — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼  06:39, 16 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose. The current name is the clearest one. -- Necrothesp (talk) 16:28, 3 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
    The current name fails to meet WP:COMMONNAME and WP:NCGAL as per the tabled evidence. ItsPugle (talk) 09:24, 11 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
    Sometimes we have to do things for consistency. See Talk:Government of New Zealand#Requested move 29 May 2020. And given its website calls it the Victorian Government, neither Victorian State Government nor Victorian state government meet WP:COMMONNAME or WP:NCGAL either! -- Necrothesp (talk) 10:50, 11 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
    The current consistency has no consensus behind it and is broken in a lot of places where policy and consensus has been established (Australian Government, Federal government of the United States etc). As per the above discussion, the Victorian (State) Government refers to itself as both the Victorian Government and Victorian State Government in various locations. The use of Victorian Government is too ambiguous with Victorian-era governance, unlike the latter of the two which is common (it's the text used on the government logo!) and recognisable. As an effect of having two commonly used official terms, WP:NCGAL supports either, defaulting the policy to the latter of the above. In respect to the RM for Government of New Zealand, it just got totally out of hand with all the pages being discussed. As a result, no consensus (neither for nor against) was reached for the NZ Government. I'm probably going to list just the New Zealand Government to be moved, and not the other pages, as in my opinion, there was a significant consensus to move NZ Government, but was just lost in the discussion of others. ItsPugle (talk) 13:16, 11 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
    WP:CONSISTENT is toward the bottom of the WP:CRITERIA priority stack; WP:PRECISE is much more important, and "government of Victoria" can still easily be misunderstood as the governance of Queen Victoria, or the British government (in the parliament-controlled sense) under HM.  — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼  06:39, 16 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
    @SMcCandlish: Just as an observer's comment, I don't think WP:CRITERIA was written, nor is it meant to be read, as a priority list. Moreover, the paragraph immediately after clarifies that "...in some cases the choice is not so obvious. It may be necessary to favor one or more of these goals over the others. This is done by consensus." (which is essentially the crux of this discussion). – Pizza1016 (talk | contribs) 03:13, 17 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
    I agree with the quoted material, of course, and your reason for quoting it. However, the WP:CRITERIA order is actually quite specific and treated as intentional (because it is, as the product of long and vociferous debates). The order has not changed in over a decade, for good reasons. If you went to go alphabetize them or whatever, you would be reverted. The core of what is presently named WP:Article titles developed organically over WP's early years, and was a jumble of crucial to just good-but-optional points, many of the latter of which have since been moved to split-off guideline pages on various naming-conventions topics, or shunted to WP:AT end-material subsections. The key points were identified and put in the present order in 2009, and after a month or so of debate and editwarring settled into the order, based on priority not on whim. I've researched this in considerable detail, though it is too long to post here. I've put it in WP:Article titles/Criteria order, which is something I meant to write up years ago but kept forgetting to get around to. I was active at WP for all of that history, though I mostly avoided direct involvement in those discussion due to other fish to fry, and due to an already over-long history of conflict with two of the loudest participants in those CRITERIA-formation debates. In retrospect, I would have been more involved, but I don't think any of us in 2009 would have predicted either a habit of one-liner "shortcut !votes" (e.g. just "per WP:PRECISE" as one's entire rationale), nor any eventual confusion about the criteria list being random and equal rather than in a very hard-won priority order.  — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼  11:27, 17 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
    @SMcCandlish: With all due respect, WP:CRITERIAORDER isn't policy and hasn't received nor was established through any community consensus. The page's history shows that you created it just less than 24h ago and you are the only contributor to it, indicating no widespread adoption, support, or development from the broader Wikipedia community. I also cannot see any consensus or even a discussion about the order of WP:CRITERIA and if the order denotes any significance. Could you provide a link to this discussion? On the contrary, MOS:LIST actually says that a numbered list should be used to signal when the order of items is relevant, yet WP:CRITERIA uses a bulleted list, suggesting that a decision was made that order is in fact not important. WP:CRITERIA even enables editors to not follow the guidelines it sets: "These should be seen as goals, not as rules." WP:UCRN, underneath WP:CRITERIA, directly supports using the commonly recognisable name (i.e. Victorian State Government) as well. WP:SOURCES also is of relevance here, and as I explained initially, the vast majority of reputable sources refer to the government as the Victoria State Government. ItsPugle (talk) 08:02, 18 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
    I don't see what point you're trying to make. When I do the background research on the history of the wording in the policy and tell you I've put it at a page, I am telling you I've done background research on the history of the wording in the policy and have put it at a page. I have not made an assertion that I've written a new policy or anything else for people to "establish... through ... community consensus [for] widespread adoption, support or development". It's simply diff-digging to provide editorial history. I.e., it is evidence and analysis, not instruction or prohibition. When I tell you that I did this yesterday and that it was too long to post here so I put it in a separate page, I'm bewildered that you would think it important to note that I'm the one who did it, and that I did it yesterday. Are you even paying any attention to the content of this material, or just doing some kind of WP:WINNING-style "argument for sport" thing?  — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼  21:44, 18 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
    I still can't actually see any consensus on user or article talk pages. With all respect, and I truly mean that, verifiability extends beyond just facts in the article, so it's really hard for me to agree with WP:CRITERIAORDER. Fundamentally, from my perspective, WP:CRITERIAORDER hasn't demonstrated and support and hence has no authority until there's a clearly established and discussed consensus that can be demonstrated. Quite litterally, as the prepended note on the page says, the principles of WP:CRITERIAORDER "have not been thoroughly vetted by the community" and "is not one of Wikipedia's policies or guidelines", and as such, should not be used as basis for this, or any, RM. I really appreciate your perspective here, but I feel that we're starting to go around in circles and aren't making any progress on the core topic here, which is the RM, so I won't be trying to convey/justify my perspective any further along this specific line of thought. Simply put, I just disagree with what you're saying here. Please don't take this as being passive aggressive or me not respecting your opinion, because I truly do respect you and your intentions and perspective, I just don't really feel like we're making any progress. ItsPugle (talk)
    Well, "it's really hard for me to agree" isn't an argument. I've provided a boatload of evidence, and you're giving me WP:IDONTLIKEIT (or maybe it's a WP-internal variant of WP:IDONTKNOWIT). I don't mean this disrespectfully either, and agree that circular argument isn't useful. I just don't see that your position has anything backing it up, just a preference or wish that the criteria had no prioritization. But we regularly – every single day, at RM – apply them prioritized. COMMONNAME (essentially a restatement of RECOGNIZABLE) is always the first principle, and we routinely sacrifice CONSISTENT and/or CONCISE in the interests of COMMONNAME/RECOGNIZABLE, NATURAL, and PRECISE. We also sacrifice PRECISE for NATURAL; it's better to use something readers can relate to and will expect, and disambiguate it as necessary, than to use a geeky, jargonistic title only specialists will get.  — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼  21:34, 3 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Agree with Victorian state government. StormcrowMithrandir 06:12, 4 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment: Looks like there is a consensus for change, but no clear consensus on what to change it to, with the main disagreement being on capitalisation. "Victoria State Government" appears to be a proper name, and alongside "Victorian Government", appears to be the two main titles the government uses to describe itself. Amongst reliable sources, there is a discrepancy in capitalisation too. The Guardian, for example, does not capitalise, whilst some Australian media sources and ABC do. I think it will ultimately come down to the proper name status of the government, and what their official name is per WP:NCGAL. I would suggest you seek comment from the appropriate WikiProjects to resolve the matter. ProcrastinatingReader (talk) 04:12, 23 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
    • I would prefer Victoria State Government as that as the proper noun as per the logo. Generally, lower case "government" refers to broad governance, rather than an entity or organisation (or at least, that's what I've been taught!). ItsPugle (talk) 10:26, 24 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
      • I agree; "Victoria State Government" would also avoid any potential confusion that "Victorian" might cause. I don't have an opinion about whether to move the article or not, but if we do end up moving it then I'd rather have it be to this. 3 kids in a trenchcoat (talk) 23:20, 26 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose: Current name is clear and unambiguous, renaming will make it inconsistent with the standard naming convention used for all other Australian government articles and seemingly most globally. Fecotank (talk) 05:31, 26 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
    Hey! Other significant Australian government articles such as Queensland Government and Australian Government use their WP:COMMONNAME/official name, based off actual policy. Internationally, other governments such as the Scottish Government use this more accurate and appropriate title :) ItsPugle (talk) 12:06, 26 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Old Naval Rooftops, SMcCandlish, Necrothesp, StormcrowMithrandir, ProcrastinatingReader, 3 kids in a trenchcoat, and Fecotank:

Hi everyone! Sorry for the ping if you're not interested, but I just wanted to jump in and use the next few days before this is closed to form a bit more of a formal consensus. As far as I (and ProcrastinatingReader, I think) can see, there appears to be some consensus to move, with just a little bit of fuzziness around the target article title - particularly, the capitalisation. Starting somewhat anew, how do we feel about Victoria State Government as the target? ItsPugle (talk) 11:32, 3 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

  • This appears to be the capitalization they use for their logo, so I'm fine with it. 3 kids in a trenchcoat (talk) 17:05, 3 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • I can live with it. I don't think WP:OFFICIALNAME is a good basis for arguing in favor of this, but it'll be WP:RECOGNIZABLE, and it doesn't have any ambiguity problems caused by the word "Victorian" or by the name "Victoria" without a contexual label like "[s|S]tate".  — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼  21:34, 3 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • I think 'Victorian State Government' or 'Victoria State Government' would both be equally fine.--StormcrowMithrandir 04:36, 4 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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Name[edit]

The official website of the government says the Victorian Government why in the article it says the Victoria State government instead victorian government. I know in the logo its says Victoria State Government but official its Victorian Government. Below is the webpage of the victorian government website. In every single page, it's written as the victorian government only

That why I change the first sentence from "The Victoria state government" to "The Victorian government". Thomasmax911 (talk) 14:15, 29 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

There is more than one place in the world called Victoria. Others have forms of government too. HiLo48 (talk) 18:11, 29 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 26 March 2021[edit]

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: No consensus to move. There is concern among opposers that "Victorian" is easily confused with governments during Victorian era. The alternate suggestion, Government of Victoria, looks like it would have more support but it hasn't gained a clear consensus in this discussion. (non-admin closure) (t · c) buidhe 17:15, 2 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]


Victoria State Government → Victorian Government – Per WP:NCGAL and WP:COMMONNAME. With due respect to those who contributed, it appears as though the consensus reached in the last move discussion is based on a literal reading of the article subject's logo. While the logo in question does indeed read Victoria State Government, the article title in its present form is not a natural-language word or expression per COMMONNAME - the closest such form would be Victorian State Government, however this is not the name most typically used in reliable sources.

If users remain concerned about ambiguity with any governments associated with Queen Victoria (aside from such ambiguity existing solely in theory) can be resolved through use of Template:Distinguish, or by instead moving the article to Victorian Government (Australia) in line with NCGAL. I note that Victorian Government already redirects to this article, which suggests this isn't a concern amongst the broader community. Heyitsstevo (talk) 10:10, 26 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

  • Oppose. Terrible idea. "Victorian Government" would be read by most as government in the reign of Queen Victoria (even if a disambiguator was added, given Australia was governed in Victoria's reign!). The current title is by far the clearest. -- Necrothesp (talk) 10:47, 26 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    • Australia was governed in Victoria's reign... for all of 22 days while she was gravely ill. Heyitsstevo (talk) 21:59, 26 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
      • On a federal level, yes, but "Australia" is also very commonly used collectively to refer to the colonies before they came together to form the Commonwealth, so this is really just splitting hairs. -- Necrothesp (talk) 15:28, 30 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
        • And the colonial history of (the state of) Victoria is precisely why 'Victoria State Government' is an inappropriate article title. Heyitsstevo (talk) 22:12, 1 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • @ItsPugle, Old Naval Rooftops, SMcCandlish, Pizza1016, StormcrowMithrandir, ProcrastinatingReader, 3 kids in a trenchcoat, Fecotank, Thomasmax911, and HiLo48: Pinging participants in previous discussion. -- Necrothesp (talk) 10:51, 26 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose for all the reasons given in the recent RM just above this one. There's nothing unnatural about "Victoria State Government" (any more than for "New Zealand Government"; the existence of a more clearly adjectival form, like "Victorian" or "New Zealander", doesn't necessarily make it a perfect choice in every circumstance). The proposed name (already rejected in the last RM) is farcically ambiguous, and would be interpreted by nearly everyone but some Australians as referring to the British government under Queen Victoria, which is the same problem the original title, Government of Victoria had, except even more so. Also, there is no way to "read" the wording of a subject's logo except "literally" (if you "read" it to say something it doesn't say then you're not reading it, you're pretending to read it). But the logo isn't the reason (per WP:OFFICIALNAME) the page is where it is; this is the best name we could come up with given various ambiguities and awkwardness in other attempts. I.e., this page title is the result of consensus, not of thumping a particular source.  — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼  11:27, 26 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

    PS: Victorian government, Victorian Government, and Government of Victoria should all resolve to a disambiguation page that has at least the following three entries: 1) this page; 2) British governments during Queen Victoria's 1837–1901 reign; and 3) Queen Victoria's governance as monarch of the British realms during her reign, including Great Britain, Ireland, India, Australia, Canada, and others.  — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼  11:52, 26 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

    • The desire by American users to prescribe ambiguity where it does not currently exist on Wikipedia is what is really farcical. The head of state is not the head of government: the page titled Elizabethan government refers not to the current British head of state but to the reign of Elizabeth I over England from November 1558 to March 1603, at a time when the English Parliament was not the supreme law-making body. During Victoria's reign, some ten prime ministers led the United Kingdom's parliament, and by extension the Government of the United Kingdom (eg. Second Melbourne ministry, Third Derby–Disraeli ministry). Any such ambiguity exists only within this talk page. Heyitsstevo (talk) 21:58, 26 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
      • Well, I'm British and I would entirely agree with SMcCandlish! The most common use of the term "Victorian" in the real world is to refer to things that happened in the reign of Queen Victoria, despite her not being the head of government. -- Necrothesp (talk) 15:32, 30 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
        • Except that there was no one (Queen) Victoria(n) Government. The concept of governance under Queen Victoria (as Victorian governance, perhaps) might have notability to warrant an article, but at present we're discussing a hypothetical. The Victorian Government does exist, and any confusion is avoided through use of a Distinguish template. Heyitsstevo (talk) 22:17, 1 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weak opppose While "Victorian Government" appears to be the best WP:COMMONNAME, there are some concerns with confusion as "Victorian" is strongly associated with Queen Victoria, not the State of Victoria. Current title is a compromise, and I think it will have to do. 162.208.168.92 (talk) 19:39, 26 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • As an aside, the title in its current form fails to reflect the subject's first fifty years as a responsible colonial government. Heyitsstevo (talk) 22:01, 26 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Agree It should be Victorian Government or Government of Victoria Muzi (talk) 11:57, 27 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Agree with Victorian government. As I said before official it's the Victorian Government just the logo says Victoria state government --Thomasmax911 (talk) 12:11, 27 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support I personally prefer Victorian Government (note the capital G to denote a proper noun) over the status quo, but I also recognise the possible ambiguity with Victorian (era) government. I think, per WP:DIFFCAPS, I think we have enough difference to rename safely, but it'll just need a hatnote (should have one either way). ItsPugle (please ping on reply) 03:17, 28 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose It should be 'Government of Victoria' for all the reasons stated above. I've read through the discussion to date and cannot see anything convincing. I note that the official terminology used by the government to refer to itself is "State Government of Victoria" (e.g. in the footer of departmental websites: https://www.vic.gov.au/). This is consistent with other public sector arms and bodies, such as Parliament of Victoria, High Court of Australia and many others. Claiming that this is now dissimilar to other article titles on this topic is irrelevant, especially considering that many seem to have been recently changed along similar lines.Takerlamar (talk) 08:36, 30 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    @Takerlamar: I absolutely oppose Government of Victoria. This has already been discussed before and there has been a clearly developed consensus in the May 2020 RM that "Government of Victoria" was not the most appropriate title with respect to naming policy. If you look at the website, it refers to the Government as the "Victorian Government" everywhere else - dare I say, trying to say that the website supports "Government of Victoria" because it's mentioned once in the footer is cherrypicking. The difference with the Parliament of Victoria and the High Court of Australia is that that is how they call themselves and how they're known; unlike the Victorian Government website and publications, the Parliament of Victoria and High Court of Australia refer to themselves as how their article is named. ItsPugle (please ping on reply) 08:43, 30 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    @ItsPugle: I understand that you absolutely oppose that title. I look at the previous discussion and don't see consensus. Instead, I see a handful of votes and brief discussion by, it appears, (mostly) non-Victorians/Australians. I do not agree that "Government of Victoria" in the website footer is cherry picking. This is how it is consistently referred to in the highest law in the land (Victoria's Constitution Act 1975) and in official legal statements (such as copyright notices) - i.e. as "Government of the State [i.e. Victoria]" or "Government of Victoria" or similar: https://www.legislation.vic.gov.au/in-force/acts/constitution-act-1975/221 . Yes, there are instances where "Victorian Government" is used in public communication and marketing, but even this is not consistent by any stretch of the imagination. If you are using the yardstick as you have above regarding how institutions refer to themselves, this argument is void because no institution is consistent. Just to pick one example from above, there are many instances where the Parliament of Victoria refer to themselves as the "Victorian Parliament" even though this is not their official name(e.g. https://twitter.com/VicParliament and https://www.parliament.vic.gov.au/visit/schooltours/2-legislative-assembly/articles and https://www.parliament.vic.gov.au/sarc/). We should instead be asking how we determine what the 'official' name of the institution is and apply that consistently. I, for example, would argue that a state's legal constitution trumps a marketing logo, but I think this is the discussion that needs to be had rather than picking random pieces of text off websites and arguing over which one is the most "prominent" or common. Takerlamar (talk) 09:12, 30 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    I, for one, am Australian, so... anyways, diversity in people's geographic location etc is a strength to that discussion. Wikipedia articles aren't read by only the people in the same country or region as the article subject, but by readers worldwide. In reference to that act, it was written 50 years ago and is legalese, not designed or meant for the public. And "there are instances" is misleading - for the past several years, every public communication has referred to it as the "Victorian Government", and yes it is consistent. Can you show any significant public communication where it uses "Government of Victoria"? And again, you're picking one-off instances rather than looking at patterns - on Twitter, the Parliament calls itself the "Victorian Parliament" once as their display name, but they call themselves the Parliament of Victoria on: their website (apart from that one work in progress page you found), Facebook, Instagram, YouTube, LinkedIn etc (again, cherrypicking?). I think the principle issue that we're debating here is, as you said, what 'official' means - while you appear to be travelling down the line of legalese and word-of-the-law, I'm proposing what the actual body calls itself towards the public within the view that Wikipedia is written for people to understand, not for lawyers to use as material in court cases. Part of Wikipedia being accessible to everyone is that we use the most common name that anyone would recognise it by based on the exposure of that name, not what some crusty document from the 70s written by a bunch of white, wealthy men says. ItsPugle (please ping on reply) 09:59, 30 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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