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I am very interested to know the source material of the admission prices quoted to access Vauxhall Gardens in the 19th century. I need this information for a paper I am writing and would like to read more. I bet the users Bhoeble or perhaps Bhoesicol (who's similar usernames makes me suspect this is the same individual) could direct me to this information, but I don't know how to contact them directly. If anyone knows where I can get source texts on Vauxhall admissions and dates concerning when these admissions were instituted, I would be very greatful. I haven't found anything this detailed using the online references available through my university. This is for a graduate thesis project and I need the information sooner than later. Thank you!

I would be extremely interested in reading your paper when it is finished. Could you send a copy to the following address marsdendaniel@hotmail.com?

There is no indication of an admission fee to the New Spring Gardens, Vaux-Hall in the 17th century, and everybody assumes (probably correctly) that there was none – the income would have come entirely from the sale of refreshments. When Jonathan Tyers re-launched the gardens in 1732, he instituted a one shilling admission charge, later (1737f) offering a season ticket to admit two people for the season (normally mid May to early Sept, depending on the weather) at twenty-one shillings (one guinea). This was popular, and the cost quickly rose to twenty-five shillings, and then to two guineas. The silver season tickets, which are some of the most attractive survivals of Vauxhall, lasted until about 1750 (one is shown on my website). During Jonathan Tyers’s lifetime, the only examples I can find of variations from the one shilling charge are for special musical events (such as the rehearsal of Handel’s Fireworks Music on 21 April 1749), for which half-a-crown (two shillings and sixpence) was charged. During the period following the death of Tyers (1767), special ‘Gala’ evenings were introduced, for which the admission charge was three shillings; the Ridotto al Fresco of 1769 was the most expensive single event at the gardens in the 18th century, with a one guinea (twenty-one shilling) admission cost. Even the great Vauxhall Jubilee in 1786 was cheaper, at ten shillings and sixpence (half a guinea). However, the standard one shilling admission charge lasted for sixty years until 1792, when it rose to two shillings, helping to produce a profit of £5000 that season. In 1826, the second season of new proprietors after the Tyers family sold up, it rose to four shillings. The 1820s and ‘30s seasons saw some of Vauxhall’s greatest commercial successes, but by the end of the 1730s, things were changing, and the proprietors were having to try many expedients to bring back the visitors, amongst which was a sporadic re-introduction of the one shilling admission charge. In 1840, the proprietors were finally declared bankrupt, and the gardens limped on for another nineteen years under various more or less successful lessees, sometimes with seasons of just a few days, or else no season at all. In this period, the admission charge is hard to follow, but ranged between one shilling and four shillings for ordinary nights, up to almost anything for Charity events and other special openings. This information is derived from contemporary press cuttings etc. in collections of ephemera realted to Vauxhall in various UK and US libraries. If you need references for these, do let me know. Please see my website at www.vauxhallgardens.com 80.176.232.187 15:58, 6 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Incidentally, neither Guy Fawkes, nor Sir Samuel Moreland had anything to do with Vauxhall Gardens. Sir Samuel's house was nearby but further north. Also, the 1786 Jubilee was attended by five or six thousand people, not 61,000! Also, I was wrong about the free entry before Tyers's time - In the Times of Weds 20 May 1789, referring back to the Vauxhall of pre-Tyers time, there is a reference to the 'six-penny days.' --Davidcoke 14:50, 29 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

GA Review[edit]

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Starting GA review.Pyrotec (talk) 23:06, 10 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Initial review[edit]

An interesting article. It has the makings of a GA, but it does not fully comply with the requirements, see WP:WIAGA, so I'm putting the GAN On Hold so that these can be addressed.

In particular:

~~The WP:lead is too short. It is required to both introduce the topic (which it does) and summarise the main features (which it does not).~~

Done. Lead sxpanded. ItsLassieTime (talk) 16:36, 12 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

~~The article contains many block quotations, which is acceptable; however, in-line citations must be provided linking these quotations to their sources.~~

Done...except for the quotation from the Edinburgh Encyclopedia. I cannot locate this. ItsLassieTime (talk) 05:24, 12 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

~~Note 1 is a broken link.~~

Corrected. ItsLassieTime (talk) 03:57, 12 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

~~Pepys is used as a citation, but the reference given is merely a link to Google book search. The relevant page numbers should be provided.~~

Done. Page number provided. ItsLassieTime (talk) 05:24, 12 March 2009 (UTC) Pyrotec (talk) 20:06, 11 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for making these corrections, I'll continue now with the GA review.Pyrotec (talk) 17:22, 12 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

GA review[edit]

GA review – see WP:WIAGA for criteria

A interesting historical article.

Is it reasonably well written?
A. Prose quality:

B. MoS compliance:
Is it factually accurate and verifiable?
A. References to sources:

B. Citation of reliable sources where necessary:
Footnotes included as well as in-line citations.

C. No original research:
Is it broad in its coverage?
A. Major aspects:

B. Focused:
Is it neutral?
Fair representation without bias:
Is it stable?
No edit wars, etc:
Does it contain images to illustrate the topic?
A. Images are copyright tagged, and non-free images have fair use rationales:

B. Images are provided where possible and appropriate, with suitable captions:
Overall:
Pass or Fail:

I'm satisfied that the article meets the requirements of GA, so I'm awarding GA-status without further delay. Congratulations on the article.Pyrotec (talk) 17:22, 12 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

File:Thomas Rowlandson - Vaux-Hall - Dr. Johnson, Oliver Goldsmith, Mary Robinson, et al.jpg to appear as POTD soon[edit]

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A depiction of entertainment in Vauxhall Gardens, a pleasure garden that had existed in Kennington, London, England, likely since around the time of the Restoration. The Gardens consisted of several acres of trees and shrubs with attractive footpaths. It was popular with all classes of society and supported enormous crowds. Over the years, the gardens passed through the hands of several owners before finally closing in 1859.Artist: Thomas Rowlandson; Restoration: Adam Cuerden

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Past and present continuity[edit]

I note that six years ago the surviving portion of the gardens resumed its historical name. Would it not now make sense to reformat this article and base it on the present gardens (while retaining all of the historical detail on the original gardens)? - Dann Chinn (talk) 12:38, 26 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]