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Personal comment[edit]

I removed a hidden personal comment, as it has no place in a Wikipedia article even in a hidden form. --Grandmaster 11:46, 22 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Grandmaster, what you mean by "hidden personal comment". What you removed is a material published in a prominent not-biased (surely not pro-Armenian) "Washington Post". You added a large interview with a former official Brzezhinsky, what the problem to add a publication from W P on a current issue? Lets be more tolerant to reliable sources and do not make biased quotations from the same material (its not first time Im asking you about them). Andranikpasha 12:53, 22 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

It seems to me that that money is total money spent by Turkey on anything. Also we need to have some information about whether it is too much, like some stats for other countries/groups. Do you guys now, where the original is? I searched the Justice department, could not find it. Deniz^T_C 23:42, 22 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

See the article: "According to Washington Post"... We even didnt mark its a fact! If you have any other sources asking different things pls represent. We can use them in the article, no problem. but sources are needed! Andranikpasha 12:24, 23 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

What I am saying is, it does not mention that those lobbying, this money is for this resolution only, most likely it is not. I thought you were very careful about such things (not accepting anti-Turkish for anti-Turkism). Also I don't see a bright future of this article, unfortunately, it will probably become a dumping ground for things that should not be here, like belittling people. I hope my prediction will turn out to be wrong, lets be careful. Deniz^T_C 13:48, 24 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

"All eight living former secretaries of state have signed a joint letter to House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) warning that the nonbinding resolution "would endanger our national security interests." Three former defense secretaries, in their own letter, said Turkey probably would cut off U.S. access to a critical air base. The government of Turkey is spending more than $300,000 a month on communications specialists and high-powered lobbyists, including former congressman Bob Livingston, to defeat the initiative." Denizz, I think everything is more than clear here! What other "the iniciative" you mean? Andranikpasha 15:54, 24 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I'm talking about the source: [1] That 300 mi is most likely the total for anything, say PKK issue, some funding issues, this issue, that issue, not just this rather new resolution. Also it says Armenian Assembly of America has a yearly budget of 3.6 mi. Do you think that should be added? Deniz^T_C 16:05, 24 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Here is another article by the Times: http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1673273,00.html. Unlike the first, this one is written by someone who knows of what she is talking about: http://ksgfaculty.harvard.edu/Samantha_Power. There is no need to create worthless, quote-pile articles. The point was made about the Armenian lobby, and the Turkish lobby, more than this is undue weight and inflammatory.--TigranTheGreat 16:58, 24 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Tigran, you know whats interesting, its that none of the sources provided by our Azeri friends actually deny the genocide. They are only oppose the resolution. If there was ever an article created on Recognition of Armenian Genocide by individuals George W Bush, Rice, All of the 8 secretary of states and the 21 representatives that voted against it would be on that list. VartanM 18:27, 25 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Denizz, no OR! If W P asks the Armenian Assembly uses that money (budget) "to defeat (or to support) the initiative", then we can add! Andranikpasha 17:40, 24 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Irrelevant part of the description[edit]

"House Resolution 106 is a resolution submitted to the House of Representatives by Representative Adam Schiff (D-California), who claims to have over 70,000 Armenian-Americans in his 29th electoral district[1][2], during the 110th United States Congress." this is unrelevant and maybe can be used in the article dedicated to the Schiff. Andranikpasha 19:15, 2 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks Andranik, next time remember to be bold I moved the info to Schiff's page. VartanM 19:35, 2 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

prior resolutions?[edit]

I hear that this resolution effectively repeats earlier resolutions. It seems relevant, and I have the list here:

House Joint Resolution 148, adopted on April 8, 1975, resolved: `[t]hat April 24, 1975, is hereby designated as `National Day of Remembrance of Man's Inhumanity to Man', and the President of the United States is authorized and requested to issue a proclamation calling upon the people of the United States to observe such day as a day of remembrance for all the victims of genocide, especially those of Armenian ancestry . . .'.

House Joint Resolution 247, adopted on September 10, 1984, resolved: `[t]hat April 24, 1985, is hereby designated as `National Day of Remembrance of Man's Inhumanity to Man', and the President of the United States is authorized and requested to issue a proclamation calling upon the people of the United States to observe such day as a day of remembrance for all the victims of genocide, especially the one and one-half million people of Armenian ancestry . . .'.

On June 5, 1996, the House of Representatives adopted an amendment to House Bill 3540 (the Foreign Operations, Export Financing, and Related Programs Appropriations Act, 1997) to reduce aid to Turkey by $3,000,000 (an estimate of its payment of lobbying fees in the United States) until the Turkish Government acknowledged the Armenian Genocide and took steps to honor the memory of its victims.

This may be worth incorporating, but I didn't want to incorporate it without confirming it somehow. It seems that Thomas does not go back more than 10 years.AdamRetchless 14:32, 4 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, there were other resolutions before this one[2] VartanM 17:53, 4 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Cosponsors section[edit]

The Current Cosponsors section stretches the article to an unneccessary (length-wise) length. Can someone see if they can make it into a multi-column list? --Micahbrwn (talk) 21:32, 2 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Confusing quote[edit]

"On October 11, 2007, Gunduz Aktan, a member of the delegation of Turkish parliamentarians, who were in Washington to protest against the resolution, stated:

"What was bothering me yesterday was that those (US representatives) who were supporting the Turkish case, 21 of them, they said loud and clear that the events of 1915 amounted to genocide. Despite this fact, because of the strategic importance of Turkey, because of the national interest of the US, they are voting no. This was unbearable." "

This paragraph seems illogical. I would understand an Armenian being angry at politicians accepting genocide taking place but not saying so officially for political reasons... but why would a Turk think so? Especially one campaigning against Genocide recognition?

I propose this paragraph is deleted to avoid confusion.80.111.111.181 (talk) 21:29, 4 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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