Talk:Ulubatlı Hasan

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Legend[edit]

He is real hero.

Dubious Sources[edit]

This article as it is seems to be more akin to fiction rather than verifiable historical fact.

The only source quoted is a tourist guide to Istanbul and Marmara by an American teacher of physics. "The Companion Guide to Istanbul: And Around the Marmara By John Freely, Susan Glyn", as given is probably incorrect. Although John Freely is the author of many such tourist companion books, there is no record of such a book by John Freely and Susan Glyn.

I propose that this article is deleted.Proteusx (talk) 18:29, 13 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Use the Turkish Article[edit]

The Turkish version of this article gives much more sources and looks more objective. This article needs to be seriously re-writeen, but I do not agree with deleting it.

Goutlard — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.242.210.49 (talk) 14:56, 22 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I agree, even the Turkish version states that this figure probably didn't actually exist. Following translated part (by me) would probably be more accurate.

Ulubatli Hasan (Ulubat, Karacabey, Bursa, born 1428 - died May 29, 1453, Istanbul) was a Sipahi or Janissary who, during the conquest of Istanbul, supposedly planted the first flag atop the walls of Constantinople and succesfully defended it until his comrades arrived. By doing so he disheartened the Byzantines while at the same time inspiring Ottoman troops.

Ulubatli Hasan is not mentioned in any sources, both Ottoman and foreign, in that period. Ulubatli’s name does not appear in the original work of the Byzantine historian Francis but it is mentioned in the later book by Melissinos who added significantly to Francis’ original story.

Many historians are of the opinion that Melissinos created these stories to add color to his work and they maintain that Ulubatli is in fact fictitious. Another reason for this opinion is that it wouldn’t be possible to accurately determine who actually planted the first flag during the commotion of the siege.

Although his historical existence is controversial, Ulubatli Hasan, did become a symbol of the conquest of Istanbul by the Turks and thus became part of the Turkish legends.

Source for above statement that Ulubatli isn't mentioned in Ottoman nor foreign sources of the time comes from this book: Afyoncu, Erhan (Truva'nın İntikamı (Translated: Revenge of Troy), page 49) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.106.114.166 (talk) 16:44, 10 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]