Talk:UCLouvain

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please take a look at Talk:Catholic University of Leuven, for a proposal on moving the common history of the two universities to a separate article. --Lenthe 09:53, 6 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]

This proposal has now been put into effect. Details follow:

I've cleaned up and slightly extended Catholic University of Leuven as the pre-1968 article (NPOV-check on my version of the split would be appreciated) and more thoroughly edited this and Katholieke Universiteit Leuven as post-1968 (hiving off the pre-1968 history and the alumni they claim, for instance, with a reference to Catholic University of Leuven as the article on the historical university).

Help sorting out the links would be nice :) I've done lots already, but there are still several dozen linking to "University of Leuven" (which has become a disambiguation page instead of a misleading redirect to Katholieke Universiteit Leuven).

"University of Louvain" now redirects to the disambiguation page (there are still about a dozen links to there that need sorting out).

"Leuven University" and "Louvain University" have also become redirects to the disambiguation page; they each still have one link (both from entries on alumni I can't place). --Paularblaster 00:37, 13 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

New nomenclature[edit]

The university has established formal guidelines that continue the new 2018 "UCLouvain" rebranding. They should also to bring less ambiguity with the KU Leuven which has contributed to the guidelines. In English, the university should be called University of Louvain (this was already the case for a very long time but the rule wasn't strictly applied). In general, the institution uses the name UCLouvain, even in French ; while the legal title stays Université catholique de Louvain to avoid changing federal laws. In parallel, the KU Leuven has decided to use its title as a full name for all situations (while keeping its legal title Katholieke Universiteit te Leuven for the same reasons.) The KU Leuven wikipedia page has already been renamed a few years ago. To sum up: KU Leuven is always named KU Leuven and UCLouvain is called University of Louvain in English, UCLouvain (or UCLouvain Université/University/...) in any other language. My question now is: could we also rename this page to University of Louvain? Or for example University of Louvain (UCLouvain)? The French denomination leads to many mistakes even in official sources, and Wikipedia is an influent instrument in this process. 2A02:A03F:3FD3:A800:C3A:D766:AD36:8DB (talk) 14:57, 4 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I think it should indeed be renamed "University of Louvain". --Trougnouf (talk) 20:52, 23 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I believe the title University of Louvain, even though it is the formal English name of the university, would only bring more confusion to all the different articles present on Wikipedia. In that case, it should absolutely be University of Louvain (UCLouvain). In the meantime, the article on the French Wikipedia has been renamed to UCLouvain. As the articles concerning the Dutch-speaking university have also mostly been renamed to the new abbreviation KU Leuven, I'd rename Université catholique de Louvain to UCLouvain, if anything. --PCC7500 (talk) 17:02, 29 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

NPOV dispute - History[edit]

It seems to me that the historical part of this article is not neutral. It appears rather biased towards the French speaking community. Especially the following part caught my attention:

  • Up to that year, resentment had been growing among Flemings because of privileges given to French-speaking academic staff and the perceived lack of respect by the local French-speaking community for Flanders, wherein Leuven lies. Some French-speakers proposed to change the administrative status of Leuven, including it in a larger, bilingual 'Greater-Brussels'. On the other hand, some Flemish nationalists wanted to expel any trace of the French language from Flanders and could not stand a bilingual university there.

Just using the words some in 'some French-speakers' and 'some Flemish' does not attain the neutrality from my point of view. Note: I'm criticizing the writing style here, not the content. Any ideas on how to proceed? --Jadriaen 20:54, 20 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

I don't know why the use of some disrupt you. Do you want to say all the Flemish instead of? Dedez 22:09, 22 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Dear Dedez, the use of some does not bother me at all. It are the other terms that are biassed,
Yes of course, everything is always biased in favour of the French speaking community, but at the end of the day, they were the one who got kicked out of Leuven. The use of the word "some" makes absolutely no semantic difference. Use the word "some", or "a few", or "a handful", it makes no difference. The truth is you just can't use the word "none" in this instance and that's what sad about the whole story. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 145.221.52.72 (talk) 12:41, 7 February 2007 (UTC).[reply]

International College Timothy Radcliffe[edit]

By itself International College Timothy Radcliffe does not merit an article. let's merge it. --Duncan 11:20, 30 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

yes, let's. --Paularblaster 00:31, 13 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Are you sure this article isn't a joke? Timothy Radcliffe is a living, and moderately notable, person. He was the master-general of the Dominican Order from 1992 to 2001, and has written a few books, but it's hard to imagine why someone would name a college after him. A google search for "International College Timothy Radcliffe" seems to show nothing but its Wikipedia page and other pages derived from it. If this college has no website and no documentation showing it actually exists, I think that it is a candidate for speedy delete, not a candidate for merging into the Louvain page. — Lawrence King (talk) 09:13, 17 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I nominated it for speedy delete; if you object please visit Talk:International College Timothy Radcliffe. — Lawrence King (talk) 23:15, 17 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Four hours before your deletion I did visit Talk:International College Timothy Radcliffe and carefully explained, with links to the websites of the university and the college, that this institution is a hall of residence and social centre for international students run under Dominican auspices, and does in fact exist. I further stated (as DuncanBCS also did in May) that the information should be retained as a paragraph of this article, rather than as a separate entry. I trust you will now restore the information? - --Paularblaster (talk) 14:47, 18 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Fair use rationale for Image:UCL logo.gif[edit]

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BetacommandBot (talk) 11:37, 21 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

There was already an explanation there - I've tried to make it clearer. It's the logo of the main topic of the article (is that not "fair use"?). --Paularblaster (talk) 21:31, 21 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]


The Irish[edit]

Is this the Louvain university that the Irish fled to in huge numbers in the early seventeenth century? The subject of this large conference: http://www.louvain400.eu/index.shtml ? If so, there should be at least some identification in this article. 86.42.71.111 (talk) 03:49, 17 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 4 January 2019[edit]

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was: No consensus to move at this time  — Amakuru (talk) 17:34, 25 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]


Université catholique de Louvain → University of Louvain – The university has established formal guidelines that continue the new 2018 "UCLouvain" rebranding. They should also to bring less ambiguity with the KU Leuven which has contributed to the guidelines. 2A02:A03F:3FD3:A800:C3A:D766:AD36:8DB (talk) 15:30, 4 January 2019 (UTC) --Relisted. Paine Ellsworth, ed.  put'r there  06:38, 12 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Relist note: members of WikiProjects Universities and Belgium have been notified of this debate. Paine Ellsworth, ed.  put'r there  06:47, 12 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

In English, the university should be called University of Louvain[1] (this was already the case for a very long time but the rule wasn't strictly applied). Some recent examples of correct usage in ref[2][3][4][5] In general, the institution uses the name UCLouvain, even in French;[6] while the legal title stays Université catholique de Louvain to avoid changing federal laws. In parallel, the KU Leuven has decided to use its title as a full name for all situations[7] (while keeping its legal title Katholieke Universiteit te Leuven[8] for the same reasons.) The KU Leuven wikipedia page has already been renamed a few years ago. To sum up: KU Leuven is always called KU Leuven and UCLouvain is called University of Louvain in English, UCLouvain (or UCLouvain Université/University/...) The French denomination leads to many mistakes even in official sources, and Wikipedia is an influent instrument in this process. Also, numerous Wikipedia pages spell University of Louvain to link to this page. 2A02:A03F:3FD3:A800:C3A:D766:AD36:8DB (talk) 15:30, 4 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

References

  1. ^ https://twitter.com/UCLouvain_be/status/913480693434462209
  2. ^ http://www.brusselstimes.com/belgium/13557/social-inequality-affects-life-expectancy
  3. ^ https://www.business-standard.com/article/news-ani/efsas-deliberates-on-legal-implications-of-cpec-on-j-k-118121901306_1.html
  4. ^ https://reliefweb.int/report/world/what-if-we-knew-real-costs-climate-change
  5. ^ https://thriveglobal.com/stories/simple-evening-ritual-greater-happiness/
  6. ^ https://uclouvain.be/fr/decouvrir/contexte-et-histoire.html#Pourquoi%20changer?
  7. ^ https://www.kuleuven.be/communicatie/marketing/intranet/huisstijl/taalgebruik.html
  8. ^ https://kbopub.economie.fgov.be/kbopub/toonondernemingps.html?ondernemingsnummer=419052173
  • Oppose. That title would accumulate bad links in exactly the same way that the DAB page University of Leuven already does. The difference is, that links to the DAB page get noticed by User:DPL bot, and with any luck fixed. Narky Blert (talk) 11:51, 8 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support. Would be much more coherent with KU Leuven. But wouldn't it be better to name it University of Louvain (UCLouvain) ? Then we would use both correct names. Thibaleine (talk) 10:37, 10 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Note: I have reverted the change of the redirect target for University of Louvain, as I find no discussion generating a consensus for that change. bd2412 T 02:21, 12 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose: Firstly, I do not see strong evidence that "University of Louvain" is the common name for this institution. International rankings use "Université Catholique de Louvain",[1][2] "University Catholique of Louvain"[3] or "Catholic University of Louvain",[4] while the institution's own website uses "UCLouvain",[5] "UCL",[6] "University of Louvain",[7] and "Catholic University of Louvain".[8]
Secondly, "University of Louvain" is ambiguous, because it could refer to any of the institutions on the University of Louvain disambiguation page. Even if it were the primary name of the institution, using an ambiguous name like this would be contrary to the WP:TITLE policy when there are natural, non-ambiguous alternatives.
Far from changing this page to University of Louvain, the first sentence of the lead should be revised to properly reflect the variety of namrs by which the institution is known (including "Université catholique de Louvain, which is often used in English language sources so should not merely be given as the French name) and their relative usage in reliable sources. Robminchin (talk) 09:05, 12 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment: WP:USEENGLISH says to use the name that is most common in reliable English-language sources (not to use an English version of the name, as might be naively supposed). It has not been shown that "University of Louvain" is the most common name in such sources, indeed it is clear that there is divided usage (although mainly between "Université catholique de Louvain" and "Catholic University of Louvain" from what I see). In this case the guidance given by WP:USEENGLISH is to "leave the article name at the latest stable version" – which would be "Université catholique de Louvain". Robminchin (talk) 05:02, 14 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support: we changed the KU Leuven title from its nearly official name to the preferred English title. Should be the same for UCLouvain. LeGraphiste (talk) 11:11, 18 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
    • Well, hopefully "KU Leuven" is not only the "preferred English title" (preferred by whom?) but also the most common name used in English WP:RS to refer to that institution. If not, then WP:OTHERSTUFF applies. --В²C ☎ 19:34, 24 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose per Robminchin. If someone has persuasive evidence that shows the proposed title is the WP:COMMONNAME (most commonly used to refer to this topic in English WP:RS) and is the WP:PRIMARYTOPIC for that term, I'm open to changing my mind. But I don't see that here, so far. --В²C ☎ 19:34, 24 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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