Talk:Turrbal

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Spelling of Turrbal / Turrubal[edit]

Hi there, I beleive that the spelling of this people is Turrbal. Would appreciate confirmation and then guidance to change the spellilng of name of this page.

Benwebboz (talk) 08:58, 5 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

On adding supposed nations to the "neighboring nations" sentence[edit]

So, there's currently a sentence above the table of contents of the article which mentions Aboriginal nations that neighbor the Turrbal.

I submitted my recent major rewrite of the article (after many days researching and writing) with the Ngugi mentioned in that sentence. I forgot to check that the Ngugi link actually went to a relevant article. After submitting the huge rewrite, User:Sillyfolkboy edited that link to explicitly say "Ngugi people", but that didn't work with the sentence structure (i.e. it was incorrect). So, anyway, I realized from this that the Ngugi nation doesn't have an article. I thus removed the Ngugi link, but User:Sillyfolkboy reverted that change.

There are two main problems with mentioning neighboring nations that don't have articles:

1. Without an article, there are no sources for either (a) their borders and thus locality to the Turrbal, nor (b) their status as a nation; many supposed "nations" mentioned on random websites are actually the names of clans or families within a larger nation.

2. You can find a whole load of "tribe" names out on webpages, and we could mention them all: e.g. the Jinibara, the Noonuccal, the Gorenpul -- but we'd only be writing down more and more unbased and unsourced claims.

User:Sillyfolkboy, if you happen to be knowledgeable about the Ngugi (or some other SEQ nation), please do go ahead and write down what you know, and provide citations. If, from that information, we find that the Ngugi are in fact a nation that's close to the Turrbal nation, then we can safely mention them in this opening sentence.

Without that kind of information, we may as well go ahead and write that the Purple-people-eaters nation neighbored the Turrbal, and wait until someone creates an article that either proves or disproves it.

--MalcolmInglis (talk) 13:25, 10 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]

@MalcolmInglis: Hi Malcolm. I was mainly building on your work on the article (thanks for that by the way). I got notification as you linked to Ngugi, a page I created due to my interest in Kenyan people, which is not of much use here! I trust your additions, but if some of these are not correct, or you are not sure about, then please do remove them. My edit to refine the link was driven by Norman Tindale's work, referenced on the List of Indigenous Australian group names page.

In terms of referencing, we should not be using Wikipedia itself to support information. Still, just because no Wikipedia article exists doesn't necessarily mean the topic is not important or shouldn't be linked. Often in the case of non-Western topics, important things are still sadly missing! If Wikipedia was an African creation, it probably would not have taken more than 13 years for someone to finally write the article on someone who led a coup of its largest nation and was also that nation's first international sports medallist. I'm sure that the more you read the more you will be surprised at the knowledge gaps around Indigenous Australian topics here. SFB 18:19, 10 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]