Talk:Truist Park/Archive 1

Page contents not supported in other languages.
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Archive 1

Infobox

At what point does an infobox become appropriate? --Jprg1966 (talk) 22:02, 11 November 2013 (UTC)

Never mind. Added by Muboshgu. --Jprg1966 (talk) 23:59, 11 November 2013 (UTC)
It's pretty much appropriate at any time. – Muboshgu (talk) 00:00, 12 November 2013 (UTC)

Architects

So far I see one lonely source that the architectural firm HKS, Inc. are being consulted on the new stadium's design. Here is that source. Legit? --Jprg1966 (talk) 01:35, 12 November 2013 (UTC)

Entertainment Complex

The Atlanta Braves announced yesterday that the surrounding complex outside of SunTrust Park is called "The Battery Atlanta." Obviously, the Battery is linked with SunTrust Park, but should it be its own page?

Nemov (talk) 14:05, 15 October 2015 (UTC)

Other new stadium

@BilCat:, I don't think it would hurt to mention the purpose of the other stadium being built. I understand You may feel that its irrelavant but please let us try to discuss it here and reach a consensus since the back and forth reverting is not getting us anywhere. Eddie 23:49, 21 November 2015 (UTC)

Actually, it's already used in the article and in the navbox. Per WP:NOTSEEALSO, "As a general rule, the "See also" section should not repeat links that appear in the article's body or its navigation boxes." So I've removed it completely. - BilCat (talk) 01:39, 22 November 2015 (UTC)
@BilCat:, I still don't see anything wrong with specifying the purpose in the "see also" section. Yes there is a "manual of style" but there's nothing that says You must stick to it rigidly. Eddie 20:38, 22 November 2015 (UTC)


Background

In Background, second paragraph, it would be helpful to link the jargon phrase "value engineered" to the explanatory article on Value Engineering, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Value_engineering . I just don't know how to do it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.25.115.38 (talk) 18:14, 29 July 2016 (UTC)

Tim Lee

@Radiojon: you seem very adamant about the Tim Lee election. It's received press coverage since he was the face of the decision to bring the Braves to Cobb County. However, the arguments that there was some huge backlash against the project by Cobb County voters isn't supported by polls or by the reelection of the other politicians who supported the project. Also, in 2012, Lee was elected in a runoff election. The election being close isn't a surprise. I don't see his loss as rejection of the project. The whole project is bad for taxpayers, but most of the Lee loss speculation is conjecture by the press. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nemov (talk • contribs) 12:27, 14 August 2016 (UTC)

"Additional events" section

Per Nemov's edit comments on 2017-01-29 at 14:37 UTC: "Section would be a better for national events like the All Star Game. Otherwise you might as well list the entire Braves home schedule. This can be moved to Talk if there are further comments."

Many MLB ballpark articles have one or more sections regarding concerts and non-MLB sporting events, including collegiate baseball, hosted at their respective stadiums. It should be restored. Gsu eagle 31049 (talk) 18:08, 29 January 2017 (UTC)

These events need to be notable events and not just a concert stop (I don't think Billy Joel will be noted on every ballpark page he plays this Summer) or a single college game. Nemov (talk) 19:22, 29 January 2017 (UTC)

How exactly are first events in a venue's life not noteworthy enough? The April 8 Georgia-Missouri game will be the first baseball game at SunTrust Park open to the general public, since the March 31 Braves-Yankees preseason game is limited to Braves' season ticket holders, and the Billy Joel concert on April 28 is the first scheduled concert for the ballpark. The Georgia-Georgia Tech game is a continuation of an annual benefit game held since 2003 at Turner Field. Events don't have to be the caliber of an MLB All-Star Game, an NHL outdoor game (either Winter Classic or Stadium Series), or WrestleMania to be noteworthy. Gsu eagle 31049 (talk) 22:51, 29 January 2017 (UTC)
@Gsu eagle 31049:, Feel free to add an "other events" section similar to how it appears on the Citi Field page.Nemov (talk) 13:03, 23 March 2017 (UTC)

Confusing line

The ballpark features an intimate configuration placing the highest percentage of seats closer to the field than any other ball park in Major League Baseball

We need some figures to make this more clear. What is the definition of "closer to the field" and what percentage of these seats fit that? 2602:306:CFEA:170:5199:B0E2:42D8:8B31 (talk) 02:17, 15 April 2017 (UTC)

I would love to see more information on how they're basing the claim. The citation in the article is based on a statement by the Braves, but how are they determining that? I have seen articles that show that SunTrust Park has the least amount of foul territory in MLB. I suspect that has something to do with that claim. Nemov (talk) 15:00, 18 April 2017 (UTC)

Location

So as to prevent an edit war with HangingCurve, I'd like to ask the following question: What should the location of this future stadium be listed as? I'm not sure of the precedent for answering this question, but I imagine it has to be one of the following three:

1. Cumberland (the stadium would be here, but this is a district)
2. Smyrna (the nearest city, but it does not include the site)
3. Cobb County (since the area is currently unincorporated)

toll_booth (talk) 03:05, 26 March 2014 (UTC)

Whatever we decide, can we agree that Atlanta is kind of a bad choice? --Vreddy92 (talk) 14:58, 6 May 2015 (UTC)

The complex will have an Atlanta address. That's all that really matters.

Nemov (talk) 13:20, 16 October 2015 (UTC)

Users keep coming to the page to edit the location. SunTrust Park is located in the Atlanta Metro area. Cumberland isn't a city. It's a neighborhood in Cobb County. "SunTrust Park is a baseball park located in the Atlanta metropolitan area 10 miles (16 km) northwest of downtown Atlanta in the Cumberland neighborhood of Cobb County." This is the most accurate description we have and it's clear. Nemov (talk) 18:56, 14 July 2017 (UTC)
@Nemov: First of all, this is can barely be called a discussion as you wrote in your edit summary. Secondly, mailing address does not determine the location. Cumberland is the actual and correct place whether it is a city or not. There was a discussion about a similar problem at T-Mobile Arena, which ended with no consensus and "Paradise, Nevada" was reinstated. – Sabbatino (talk) 15:46, 26 April 2018 (UTC)
@Sabbatino:I would love for there to be a consensus on this because the most changed thing on this page. I believe at one time the location was the address. @BilCat:Do you have an opinion on this question? – Nemov (talk) 02:38, 27 April 2018 (UTC)
Yes I do, but I'm staying out of the argument here. - BilCat (talk) 09:12, 27 April 2018 (UTC)

@Jdavi333: Pinging this user since he raised the same question in this discussion. – Sabbatino (talk) 05:48, 27 April 2018 (UTC)

Thanks for the tag. I am not sure why this is even a discussion. The location should be how it is most commonly referred to. Barclays Center is not in New York, New York; it is in Brooklyn, New York. While technically Brooklyn is in New York City, no one calls it that. Here too. Cumberland is an unincorporated community in Cobb County. Definitely not in Atlanta. If it is significant enough to get its own Wikipedia page, i think it can be listed as the location for the stadium. Jdavi333 (talk) 12:54, 27 April 2018 (UTC)
@Jdavi333: @Sabbatino:Obviously Brooklyn makes sense and it's very well known. The location in question is called all kinds of things. Where the ballpark is located is more likely to be called "Galleria" over "Cumberland." So maybe it would more sense to call the location "Galleria." - Nemov (talk) 18:00, 27 April 2018 (UTC)
First line of the Cumberland, Georgia article:

I think it is obvious that Cumberland is the name of the neighborhood/town/city. Call it what you want. The point is, the stadium is clearly in Cumberland, GA, not Atlanta. Look on a map. Jdavi333 (talk) 18:24, 27 April 2018 (UTC)

It's very common for people in and around Atlanta refer to the entire metro area as Atlanta (which is why this probably keeps getting changed). There are various factors for this, but it's unique to the city of Atlanta given how much sprawl there is around the city. This is especially true for areas in and around the 275 beltway. I'll change it to "Cumberland/Galleria, GA." Thanks for everyone's thoughts. - Nemov (talk) 19:23, 27 April 2018 (UTC)
Cumberland/Galleria is just a redirect to Cumberland, Georgia. Jdavi333 (talk) 19:26, 27 April 2018 (UTC)
It's better known as the Cobb Galleria area (which is in the article). Maybe some knowledge of the location is required here. Also, is there a compelling reason to change this?

The ballpark is located in Atlanta Metro which is a significant place. Changing the location makes sense, but the other summary was fine.- Nemov (talk) 20:50, 27 April 2018 (UTC)

Capacity

It's not a serious deal, but the record attendances exceed the listed stadium capacities. --BobiusPrime (talk) 20:13, 9 December 2018 (UTC)

That's not unusual, as many record attendances often include standing-room-only tickets, and there are probablyother factors too. - BilCat (talk) 20:32, 9 December 2018 (UTC)

BB&T in the summary

Since BilCat continues to revert my edits I'll post the question here to avoid further reverts. I also approached the user via talk, but that was fruitless. I based the summary for Truist Park on Oracle Park. Oracle park has experienced numerous name changes. Those changes are explained in further detail in the article, but aren't part of the summary. Park names changing due to sponsorship changes happen all the time. This won't be the last one for Truist Park. This is an article about the park. It's not article about the history of the bank. If someone is curious about the name change there's a section dedicated to that. It's confusing to bring up BB&T in the summary about an Atlanta Braves ballpark that has never had a relationship with BB&T. Thanks! - Nemov (talk) 18:46, 1 February 2020 (UTC)

Oracle Park and Hard Rock Stadium have both had many name changes, far more than most stadiums. But there nothing that says we have to use those stadiums as a pattern. There are probably a few stadiums that have had only one name change so far in there history, but probably only a few in this exact situation. But that's still doesn't force us to follow their examples. In this case, "Truist" is an odd name, and I believe a fuller explanation is helpful. You're welcome to disagree, of course, but it's not up to you to serve as gatekeeper on what should or shouldn't be in any article or section. That's something we all do collectively, and we have to work together. Since at least two editors agreed that having some mention of BB&T in the lead is helpful, you ought to have sought for a consensus to support your change at that point. - BilCat (talk) 20:29, 1 February 2020 (UTC)
How does mentioning BB&T make an "odd name" less odd? BB&T is also an odd name. I appreciate your overtures at building consensus after dismissing my opinion. Next time it might benefit you to show a little respect when someone takes time to approach you. The two of us have been editing this page together for years. The pattern seems to be that everything is fine unless I happen to disagree with you. - Nemov (talk) 21:40, 1 February 2020 (UTC)
I didn't dismiss your opinion. I attempted to address your issue. You reverted me outright, and then came to my page for a discussion after the fact. That's not showing someone respect. - BilCat (talk) 22:30, 1 February 2020 (UTC)
Deleting the conversation from your talk, reverting the article again, and threatening to retire over this is a pretty silly response. - Nemov (talk) 22:58, 1 February 2020 (UTC)
Obviously I've overreacted here, and for that I apologize. I've been wiki-retired for 6 months, and also quite obviously I'm not ready to come back. Good day. - BilCat (talk) 23:43, 1 February 2020 (UTC)

Draft:The Battery Atlanta

I've created draft article at Draft:The Battery Atlanta. Such articles (mixed use/retail/office complex) aren't my strong suit, so any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks. BilCat (talk) 08:14, 2 February 2021 (UTC)

Awesome, this is something I've been meaning to get around to at some point, but never found time. I see there's an article for the St. Louis Ballpark Village which is a similar concept. Maybe that will help. Looking at your draft it's pretty close. Just the opening summary needs to be fleshed out. Good work. Nemov (talk) 14:02, 2 February 2021 (UTC)
Thanks. All I really did was copy what we have in this article over to the draft, and added it to the old Lead that had been redirected. There are still places where the tense needs to be updated, and some current information added. There ought to be plenty of information available in the local papers and periodicals. I was only able to find 3 photos on Commons, all from 2017. Hopefully some locals. have taken photos and can add them over time. I don't see any issue with notability, so as soon as we get what's there cleaned up, we can move it to mainspace. Thanks for anything you can do. BilCat (talk) 17:03, 2 February 2021 (UTC)
Retrieved from "https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Truist_Park/Archive_1&oldid=1213553323"