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strange sentence[edit]

In the section "Analysis and consequences" the second paragraph begins with an incoherent sentence that looks like an incomplete edit:

"In Suiciding like thatSheffield, UK, cyclists appear to be the group at highest risk to be injured in tram accidents,"

I was just reading the article, but I mention this in case someone familiar with the article wants to fix this sentence.

Esb (talk) 01:57, 28 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Fixed... To avoid too Finnish-oriented information, I tried also to find more information from other countries. I found some information on Oslo (Norway), UK, and Germany, and added pictures from Athens (Greek) and Munich (Germany). Thanks for reading the text & comments. I'd appreciate if someone could fix my broken English in the text. Thank you! =) Pöllö (talk) 18:11, 6 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Everything looks very well done now. I did not find anything to fix.

Esb (talk) 22:33, 4 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Ok, many thanks for your work!!! =) Pöllö (talk) 19:48, 10 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Undid the addition of image of a tram accident. The photo is basically ok and describes a tram accident, a suitable photo in the beginning. However, when adding new pics please think about the whole article, now picture 1 was in the middle of article. It is relevant to add a pic of tram accident in the beginning, but then the positions of all the pictures should be thought again, renumbered, and positioned again. Pls mind the entity. Pöllö (talk) 12:24, 19 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

We don't normally number photos in articles, also the photo was linked in the intro***Adam*** 12:26, 19 April 2010 (UTC)

Ok, many thanks, Adam. I probably didn't catch your original idea. Sorry about that. Numbering is not typical in this media but sometimes it may help the reader to find the right picture. The picture itself is very relevant, and it would be nice if it will find a place in the graphical entity - not always so easy thing to create, I admit. A good place for your picture is somewhere in the very beginning, because it gives immediately an idea on a tram accident, for example for a person who doesn't read English fluently. Pöllö (talk) 12:36, 19 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I put the photo higher... Is the placement near the definiton of a tram accident good? On the left side of the Contents -box? Pöllö (talk) 12:45, 19 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for doing that, I think it fits quite well there. Also I think the numbering system works well in this article. Cheers ***Adam*** 22:02, 19 April 2010 (UTC)

video added[edit]

i added this youtube video to the see also section. - max

ok a stupid bot reverted it. oh well whoever made this article obviously has an interest so they will find it interesting - max —Preceding unsigned comment added by 202.156.66.110 (talk) 09:51, 14 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

"keel over"[edit]

Is "keel over" truly used to describe rail vehicles? As far as I know, only boats and birds have keels.69.148.86.53 (talk) 01:53, 20 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks - English is not my mother language... "Keel over" is changed to "overturn". Better? Pöllö (talk) 13:24, 21 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Cleanup needed[edit]

Multiple things I suggest fixing:

Images are referred to in the article body as text and numbering
Exhaustive recitation of reports by public works
Trails off the general subject multiple times into very specific incidents and statistics, reads like a report itself
Redundant language
Images are almost exclusively from Helsinki, which probably doesn't give a good international coverage on the matter — Preceding unsigned comment added by Chrishelenius (talk • contribs) 11:28, 18 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I can get to work on excluding specific incidents so the article does not sound so biased towards certain regions of the world AbelsFriend (talk) 17:24, 20 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Agree. The author is obsessed with Helsinki and there is no need to list all the injuries and — Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.174.182.77 (talk) 21:23, 3 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

All seem like reasonable suggestions. I've already reworded the Causes section and will work on the others soon. Non-puffin (talk) 08:43, 18 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Clearing a lot of the "gallery images" and broadening the article right now. GWR 2019 (talk) 14:19, 30 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Wiki Education assignment: Technical Editing[edit]

This article was the subject of a Wiki Education Foundation-supported course assignment, between 18 January 2023 and 5 May 2023. Further details are available on the course page. Student editor(s): AbelsFriend (article contribs).

— Assignment last updated by Wetpuppydog1 (talk) 03:44, 15 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Missing Information[edit]

“In Toronto, the CLRV streetcars have a skirt added to the front of the car covering the coupler to prevent passengers from being dragged under the car's wheels.”

This is a good example, but we also have an image of a tram with a similar feature but no explanation of it. Maybe with more sources we can just explain this feature without having to mention a specific location and type of streetcar that uses it so it’s more neutral.

“Trams should be designed to have impact absorbing materials in front and side constructions. Lifting points can be marked for fire brigades to help rescuers to find safe and strong enough parts of the tram when e.g. lifting a tram to rescue a patient underneath it. Inside the tram the structures should also contain impact absorbing materials and round shapes instead of sharp edges.”

“Naturally the state of traffic legislation, traffic culture, and safety culture in the tram and traffic system may have an influence on tram accidents.”

“Tram lanes can be also separated from other traffic. Trams may have their own traffic lights, which are integrated to work with normal traffic lights and stop the traffic when a tram stops at a tram stop. In some areas the junctions are warmed during winter to avoid ice and snow blocking the junction. Tracks, junctions, trams, tram traffic lights etc. should be regularly inspected and maintained.”

This part was uncited and just suggestions by one of the editors for safety features, so I took it out. However, I think actual cited implementations of these features/their proven effectiveness could be helpful, so if that research gets found, we could include that information into the “Safety measures” portion of the article. The images seem to show these in action, but based on the history of this article, I’m safely assuming all those pictures are from Helsinki trams and the author is just suggesting those features for all trams. If we could get cited info that’s not purely focused on Helsinki, this would be a good addition.

“A brush car” “programmable logic speed controllers” do we have any more information to explain what this is? There’s no wiki page for it. AbelsFriend (talk) 02:11, 22 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]